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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#19244270 - 12/08/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It doesn't take a higher intelligence to appreciate art; only money.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: mpd] 2
#19244275 - 12/08/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see stupid people appreciating money all the time!
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: koraks]
#19244277 - 12/08/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said: Predictably, this thread is once again turning into a discussion on what intelligence really is.
It is such an interesting question isn't it?
Our brain has a capacity to understand itself and yet it still cannot properly mesure the definition of a simple word. Perhaps the word itself is too vague? Is is the answer simply to complex?
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#19244278 - 12/08/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When it comes to Art, I like to bring up Human Centipede now that movie may not scare you but to say it is not Scary is dishonest It may not gross you out but to not call it disgusting I feel is also a sort of dishonest
I think to talk art good, we have to recognize some things we like in stuff we hate or wouldnt want to watch willfully and try describe the things we do like in a way that acknowledges what we like is someone elses shitpile.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19244294 - 12/08/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: I don't think intelligence has so much to do with it as a general understanding of the subject does. I used to hate classical music until i took AP music theory in high school. After learning all the background of it i had a much higher appreciation for what was being done. I think visual art is even more subjective as it tends to break more classical rules.
I tend to agree with this. You can "learn" about art the same way you can learn about other subjects. I took an art class in college. Lots of the finer details can be pointed out/taught that might not otherwise be readily apparent.
"Notice the use of longer, flowing brush strokes in this section and the expanded palette of colors employed. The artist has purposely placed the subject in the foreground to evoke emotion.."
Once explained, things like this are easier to appreciate/interpret.
I hate to say it, but things like minimalism don't take intelligence to understand, rather a hefty dose of pretentiousness.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
#19244299 - 12/08/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said:
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koraks said: Predictably, this thread is once again turning into a discussion on what intelligence really is.
It is such an interesting question isn't it?
Our brain has a capacity to understand itself and yet it still cannot properly mesure the definition of a simple word. Perhaps the word itself is too vague? Is is the answer simply to complex?
That's the problem, such a discussion will be inevitable until people realize that reality does not lie in dichotomous concepts. ie intelligent vs stupid. Those are just words to help with communication, but different experiences lead to different interpretations and uses of such words. Words are only "simple" if you view them to have some meaning outside of the context your own life experiences.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
#19244305 - 12/08/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would definitely say that it all comes down to individual perception.
I think having knowledge of the various techniques applied in the creation can increases ones ability to appreciate the expertise and skill of the artist themselves--for example, knowledge of various brushstrokes used when painting oil on canvas can allow one to recognize a particularly difficult technique, or perhaps even a newly innovated one--or understand that half of the value in graffiti lies not in the actual work but in the difficulty of the location, a simple tag in a secluded back alley is no longer so simple when it is thrown up on a bridge going over a busy highway. I guess you could say that such knowledge would be easier for an intelligent person to acquire--but appreciate of the artistic skill is not the same as finding meaning in the artwork itself.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
#19244319 - 12/08/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Last time I went to an art museum was a few months ago. I spent maybe an hour in an exhibit looking at about 20 or so paintings by one artist. I thought they were beautiful based upon the vibrant colors and subject but I didn't really care much about the meaning of it all even though there was clearly a running theme. I stood there absorbing the colors and trying to figure out how he achieved certain effects so that I could use that as inspiration in my own paintings.
I appreciated the technical achievement as much as the beauty and even more than the message.
I found some of his paintings online:

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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#19244357 - 12/08/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know art and that's not art.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: mpd]
#19244370 - 12/08/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are correct. This is art:
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#19244374 - 12/08/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought it was gonna be the vaginal spaghetti-os.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal] 1
#19244379 - 12/08/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You seem to think that anything you like makes you highly intelligent, first politics, now art, next cheeseburgers?
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: dontknow]
#19244436 - 12/08/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dontknow said: You seem to think that anything you like makes you highly intelligent, first politics, now art, next cheeseburgers?
Indeed. Although art is not my forte at all.
Also if you dislike the thread, you can choose not to post in it.
EDIT: Whenever somebody chooses to learn and do things that are outside their usual needs and wants, I believe it to be a sign of superior intelligence
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
#19244461 - 12/08/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't say I disliked the thread, it is just arbitrary. There's tons of different types of intelligences. Is someone who is a connoisseur of fine wines exhibiting high intelligence? Maybe, not everyone appreciates a good wine. What about the kid who knows every pokemon, every move each pokemon can use, and where to catch each pokemon? Appreciating or understanding something is usually learned, not something you are born with. So I'd say it doesn't take a higher level of intelligence, it takes time and the will to learn something.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
#19244466 - 12/08/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Perhaps the word itself is too vague?
This. 'Intelligence' is a complex concept.
Had you said, 'Does it take a high IQ to understand art', you would have gotten a more specific discussion. Had you said, 'Does it take a high IQ to understand what the artist was trying to convey when making a work of art', it would have been even more specific. Note that I'm not saying that intelligence is the same as IQ or that to understand art is the same thing as getting the meaning of the artist. I'm just offering examples how the question could have been formulated in a more specific way - but it would have changed its meaning.
Now, the discussion is likely to be about what 'intelligence' means, or what it entails to 'understand' art. Those are interesting things, but they are likely to overshadow what I interpret as the provoking issue that underlies the question: are smarter people better capable of enjoying art than dumber people?
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: koraks] 1
#19244641 - 12/08/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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being educated in art history will give anyone a deeper understanding of what's going on with a piece, but ultimately it does come down to whether you like it or not. some people have a natural inclination for generally recognized beauty more so than others. when you attend a gallery or museum you're putting your trust in that director's sense of what is generally recognized as beautiful. and some people utterly lack any inclination for seeing art on any level of beauty. to me this seems to stem from being logically inclined. for the logical, everything has to have an end, a purpose. art is not a product of reason. it serves its own purpose, which is why it's difficult for logical people to wrap their heads around it. in answer to the original question, seeing that you can be a total left-brain and a dumbass at the same time, and that you can be a left-brain and a genius, intelligence has nothing to do with someone's capacity to appreciate art.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#19244782 - 12/08/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: should at least mean something to the artist who created it
it doesn't HAVE to be anything to anyone.
period. that's art.
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mpd said: It doesn't take a higher intelligence to appreciate art; only money.
false statement.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: dontknow]
#19244804 - 12/08/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dontknow said: I didn't say I disliked the thread, it is just arbitrary. There's tons of different types of intelligences. Is someone who is a connoisseur of fine wines exhibiting high intelligence? Maybe, not everyone appreciates a good wine. What about the kid who knows every pokemon, every move each pokemon can use, and where to catch each pokemon? Appreciating or understanding something is usually learned, not something you are born with. So I'd say it doesn't take a higher level of intelligence, it takes time and the will to learn something.
personally, i think patlal is simply observing the insane amount of fanatical arguing about FUCKING LUDICROUS SUBJECTS in order to "appear" to be more well informed over "someone elsewhere".
it happens not only on every corner of every turn in day to day life in our days or nights in the streets... but also online, and in this forum.
ALL THE TIME NEVER ENDING ALWAYS.
it think it's an important thing to address. not to be pretentious... just put a mirror up in the face of aridity in this pretentious place.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: koraks]
#19244812 - 12/08/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said:
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Patlal said: Perhaps the word itself is too vague?
This. 'Intelligence' is a complex concept.
Had you said, 'Does it take a high IQ to understand art', you would have gotten a more specific discussion. Had you said, 'Does it take a high IQ to understand what the artist was trying to convey when making a work of art', it would have been even more specific. Note that I'm not saying that intelligence is the same as IQ or that to understand art is the same thing as getting the meaning of the artist. I'm just offering examples how the question could have been formulated in a more specific way - but it would have changed its meaning.
Now, the discussion is likely to be about what 'intelligence' means, or what it entails to 'understand' art. Those are interesting things, but they are likely to overshadow what I interpret as the provoking issue that underlies the question: are smarter people better capable of enjoying art than dumber people?
say art again. you should also mention painting and brush strokes. you'll win then.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19244845 - 12/08/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not much of an art aficionado, but this is one of my favorite movie scenes ever, especially the last part where he stares into the impressionist's little girl and it dissolves into nothing but spots.
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