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An age of dispair
    #19243642 - 12/08/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is not a matter of simple reflection about his early family life, or even bringing to consciousness some of the most distasteful events of his childhood, or least of all a hard, rational scrutiny of one's motives.  It is... going through hell of a lonely and racking rebirth where one throws off the lendings of culture, the costumes that fit us for life's roles, the masks and panoplies of our standardized heroisms, to stand alone and nude facing the howling elements as... a trembling animal element,... the disintegration of the self-esteem that sustains one's character... The question of personality growth and change, if it is deep-going and authentic, is usually if one will end in madness or suicide or whether one will, somehow, be able to marshall the strength to take the first few steps in a strange world. -Ernest Becker

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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19243831 - 12/08/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

strength in being vunerable

swat i got from it


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Chronic7]
    #19243926 - 12/08/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Chronic said:
strength in being vunerable

swat i got from it




Blessed are the meth drinkers
Cheap hookers
Grooooovy lookers
Oh Lord?
Why have You forsaken me?



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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19243999 - 12/08/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like to put a word here, from watching the reactions to the op...

actually no one wants to recognize true superiority, which happen on the individual freedom level of being, when objective free superiority is never a question nor doubted .. but individual free superiority is the question to kill, because any one would refuse to kill himself by recognizing another individual superiority...

so what would recognize true individual free superiority is what appreciate and respect positive truth in objective free means, so what actually is true, so what effectively is superior too then they would know how objective truth is plural existence and not one

that is why i say, those who see vulnerability as being some value ... i say caca on you and all vulnerable you could be forever ...

there is no value in being less or weak ... TRUTH ... what look obviously weak is caca anything tending to nothing or less is caca

only what has great potentials and never failed of being constantly positive source is right

TRUTH is TRUTH, words are not invented concepts to create of nothing possible equations .. nonsense

what people are living is real

what ones are shouting evil inferiority down, is the only way

we should not feel ashamed for not being evil ! it is absurd all that force now

it is clear, evil beings are disgusting inferiors, how can it be perceived otherwise

it is only because of infinite powers that are supporting evil life freedom when all existence is programmed from the beginning by unconscious evil ways ... so it become the only positive individual freedom ways in existence

then people don't say the truth of evil inferior faces because they mean the ends profits and nothing to the being fact

but what is objective so constant there is clearly seen .. there is nothing nice about it nor any value attached to .. it is inferiority infinite  abject sense ..

what god make right free beings look weak or vulnerable is to god powers superficially and in depth by forcing negative limits of realities on their condition of being ... another weakness is not something to look at ... who claim believing that humans trait is weakness are liars ..

humans trait is intelligence of positive free ends, to know how being is first about being real through the most positive objective perspective, and to be free out of any positive individual possible move ... while there is always a way out and always a positive perspective present ...

death when it becomes real or pains are also sorted out of the same exclusive living ways ...

humans cant appear weak, they appear attacked by evil injustice or damned or forced to worse of else powers on them and everything... this is not about humans it is all to whatever shit to keep talking about ...


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19244343 - 12/08/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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to stand alone and nude facing the howling elements as... a trembling animal element,..




Oh, Becker you poet. RIP
It's tiny moments of connection like this that get me through it.
It scrambles a tiny hope that we're not alone in this chaotic machine.


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Tropism]
    #19244437 - 12/08/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Tropism said:
Quote:

to stand alone and nude facing the howling elements as... a trembling animal element,..




Oh, Becker you poet. RIP
It's tiny moments of connection like this that get me through it.
It scrambles a tiny hope that we're not alone in this chaotic machine.




Oh Hush.  Becker isn't dead.



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Re: An age of dispair [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19244501 - 12/08/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:nyan: na nana naa nana na nana naa :nyan:


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Tropism]
    #19244602 - 12/08/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

of course we are forced to suffer alone, while surrounded by so much humiliating living hateful eyes and hands.. we are in hell ... others and else are only hell powers over individual freedoms rights and objective values ...

being alone is no problem .. when you will be you anywhere and anyhow how would that make any issue ..

look at you how you jump to conclude what you want disregarding facts you know and what is clearly meant by individuals

how do you look like here, you don't care but about powers attentions on you .. you don't care how you cannot ignore obvious crimes you see and more obvious innocents suffer you see too .. but you do ignore that and people like me must reply back.... how nothing is that useful for anything ??

nobody wants to accept nor understand that when you throw something down, it is still the same person but unfortunately for him he is objectively a thing to someone else source, who throw him is the present reference not him ... this knowledge is abused too
like what you keep meaning to talk to victims, as inferiors that could justify evil powers existence .. okey your candy .. doggy

it is you the inferior thingy .. you reject any sense of being without supports or powers ... showing how inferiority is about powerful wills in lying all ways, starting by hitting down right individuals, to deal with them as nothing while ensure them being in shit

you are criminals... now where is the value in truth that would objectively point you as such clearly ?? lets see how all that will continue ... thriller i guess from truth


Edited by absols (12/08/13 11:55 AM)


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: absols]
    #19244738 - 12/08/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:Awemazing:


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19247228 - 12/08/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for sharing.  Nothing is as exhilirating as stepping away from the safety of all you know to throw yourself into the wilderness of the world and say "I will explore and I will thrive"


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Allisterem]
    #19248368 - 12/09/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know why everyone seem always willing to invent a positive end to anything else ...

when it is not about you, why cant you just see objectively then and admit the fact whatever relative or nothing clear that might be ... why that insistence to define something else, to an extent that it would all be of yourself speculations and nothing left to what it is still present thing you see ..

it is very wrong to bring everything to you, or to compare means and wills

you should know that anything must be seen in truth, when it is the reason of seeing and not you

if truth ends was positive, we wont be able to see such obvious negative life .. saying the truth is understanding the real issue so acting even symbolically free

you keep thinking that knowing is a bless or something positive to gain ... you prove how you cant know anything

if knowledge was a positive fact, it would mean that the knower is superior to the object known.. which is impossible, unless the object is negative and the knower is still innocent normal...

if what you know is superior like truth, you cant know it and the insistence to know would keep bringing the inferiority you and all possible moves

which prove how speculating on everything, that all is gonna be fine or alright is wrong..

only evil survive there so far.. since inferiority sense is what moves it to act free..like being kings of all shit possible, so superior in that sense of beliefs ..

don't contribute to make it an absolute fact, like all above our heads and around us and in us is evil shit .. it is already that but not an absolute fact .. there is still me and others .. star wars is coming .. I guess it is true !


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Allisterem]
    #19248805 - 12/09/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Allisterem said:
Awesome, thanks for sharing.  Nothing is as exhilirating as stepping away from the safety of all you know to throw yourself into the wilderness of the world and say "I will explore and I will thrive"





This quote is not about having adventures and leaving home for the first time. It's about facing impermanence and that is something much easier said than ever done.  It's not a holiday at adventureland.  It's facing our personal emptiness and seeing how we have become culture and without it we have no idea what is there.  Although stated badly that's my 2 cents.  Once you see through the veil you have no props or friends or anything to hold onto. Not even a self that survives. Nothing you have ever done seems to make any sense except as a fabricated lie to help you sleep at night.


Want to see what I'm talking about?  Read Ernest Becker's Denial of Death.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19248822 - 12/09/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i like that quote. my reactions to it waver between 'that is well written and true' and reservations that it's putting 'being outside of culture' on a pedestal as some enlightenment myth.


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: quinn]
    #19248878 - 12/09/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Denial of Death.




exactly, it must have a lot to do ..

like that constant way of pointing conscious forced beings as something to laugh about.. because all is one life always so it is just like a play of beings by forcing conscious to be limited negatively ... merde ! as if there is nothing but some pervert powers fun and creators bored wills .. to see what can be done with lies as livings ??

that is why there is no point to talk with such means and beliefs...

the end is the same thing from whatever angle you see it ... inferiors that cant in anyway look or mean without being carried by others wills alive by them .. that is why they are much more confident and positively being individuals

true individuals are not supported by truth life, true freedom life

but wrong individuals are supported fully by powers on true existence

they are never being, that is why they mean eternal life ... when they cant consider themselves existing they wont admit that anything exist, for them there cant be present, all must be done for positive pleasures or gains or goals to plan..

I ve been posting for about 10 years now, all sincere reactions to my posts, was about to ask me, what do I mean ?? they read what I say and maybe agree but it is missing a mean for them

as if any thing is always a mean, and if it is not a mean it is nothing or a lie or ego or emotional ... or puppet tool...

this is crucial point my friend, for the first time I am using that term ..
it is funny and irritating when they call me that way ..

the mean ... also they mean that I must have the answer.. which is THE MEANING .. as if they are really looking for or caring about any mean to mean ..they love to use any honest other sense to project on powers life ..as if we can convince people that powers are the truth..

anyway, the mean..

that absolute way of seeing through means confirm how all is evil

as if, it is impossible to just do what is relatively right or support what is relatively in needs, or admit what is relatively true present fact, or any conscious obligations to realize since present too .. without any mean nor goals nor particular identity with ...

it is evil when one is convinced that he is someone because he wants something or mean something ... when one don't want to know how he is someone and keeps denying the logical obvious point, saying that since he is someone then others and else and infinite things and existence is true ...why would someone mean such huge fallacy ??

because of those powerful wills out of knowing that truth is also existence rights in the general sense of beings from the most inferior possible floor, that can become slightly above zero to start .. and they want to abuse that from the start ..

while it is still all but that always more where nothing is stopping to be even in concept because of how much living all had become the zero concept... so it wont stop of course ... imagine that it is stopping because we are saying it or rejecting it... NO

how are we saying, they will ask in the mean that we are nothing ???

it is literature yea sure ... who needs any proof before what or who ?? no proof needs when it comes to selves beings realizations, there cant be more present then selves conscious presence .. especially by using letters for individual wordings way .. we are present merde.. evil are not smarter with their constant inventions of new lies ..

this is the point I mean here, when lies are present clearly then honest expressions must be way more superior, so must be the present reference

even though being present is being killed, when all is evil .. but still it should look like that, right are killed evil is ruling .. not because absols or anyother poster are saying it in some forum ..it should look like that clearly objectively


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: quinn]
    #19248911 - 12/09/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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quinn said:
i like that quote. my reactions to it waver between 'that is well written and true' and reservations that it's putting 'being outside of culture' on a pedestal as some enlightenment myth.




I can see how you might look at it that way.  IME however if this be enlightenment it's pretty distressing.  I'm saying that very lightly.  But awhile ago I made a thread saying enlightenment would be the complete absence of DA and I really didn't think it was possible.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: An age of dispair [Re: absols]
    #19248921 - 12/09/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if this matters to you but I don't ignore your posts out of malice.  They are just too difficult for me and I'm pretty lazy  in old age truth be known.  Nothing here is important enough anymore for me to want to strain to decipher it.  I think at least part of the time you have something worthwhile to say but it's too much effort to get to (for me)  and I don't feel the need to rag on you constantly about it.  You might well be doing your very best to communicate here.  I won't mention this again.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19248975 - 12/09/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I don't know if this matters to you but I don't ignore your posts out of malice.  They are just too difficult for me and I'm pretty lazy  in old age truth be known.  Nothing here is important enough anymore for me to want to strain to decipher it.  I think at least part of the time you have something worthwhile to say but it's too much effort to get to (for me)  and I don't feel the need to rag on you constantly about it.  You might well be doing your very best to communicate here.  I won't mention this again.




I know how my posts look like :headbang: thanks for your open mind :cheers:


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19249008 - 12/09/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I don't know if this matters to you but I don't ignore your posts out of malice.  They are just too difficult for me and I'm pretty lazy  in old age truth be known.  Nothing here is important enough anymore for me to want to strain to decipher it.




:thumbup:

I'm not referring to absols but how i feel about most walls of text i see nowadays, i'm either ahead of the game as i'm half your age, or i'm just prematurely lazy... either way a simple life is sweeter me thinks


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Icelander]
    #19249044 - 12/09/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am going to get around to reading that book, eventually. Thanks for reminding me that I bought it. :lol:

I've got a couple of other things that I plan on reading first, but I'll move it up on the list. :thumbup:


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Re: An age of dispair [Re: Chronic7]
    #19249104 - 12/09/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

life is always evil in truth

true existence is only through free ways, which get to true identities realities .. like being present with what is around as present else, which is never related to what you are .. what you are is shown through your free moves out of staying conscious looking at all and being present.. what you enjoy what you are the most source of while being caring about and positive constantly through..

life is through confusing oneself with others .. the idea of marriage is for life with more different things so life expand ... it is wrong because through confusions all truth rights are killed while there cant be anything real anymore so existence would look like negative which is absurd !


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