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Khancious
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Is it all chemical? revamped
#19243752 - 12/08/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is this higher intelligence we are all masturbating with as lubricant, just elevated levels of seratonin? Sometimes I feel the Love... sometimes 6 feet ft under, you I'd like to shove... why is that? Am I just an ape with orthodoxy massaged into my neurons?
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Khancious]
#19243787 - 12/08/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no such thing as chemicals. According to science, matter and energy are interchangeable. So what you call chemicals is actually just energy taking on a specific form, the form we call chemical.
So there is nothing but energy transformations.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Deviate]
#19243794 - 12/08/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: There is no such thing as chemicals. According to science, matter and energy are interchangeable. So what you call chemicals is actually just energy taking on a specific form, the form we call chemical.
So there is nothing but energy transformations.
So why do I want to kill you?
Yet under the influence of the right "energy," I recognize you just as another driver and survivor and I empathize with your fragility.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Deviate]
#19243858 - 12/08/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: There is no such thing as chemicals. According to science, matter and energy are interchangeable. So what you call chemicals is actually just energy taking on a specific form, the form we call chemical.
So there is nothing but energy transformations.
Don't even pretend to play science teacher, you're not fooling anyone.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19243889 - 12/08/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seems to me it's Chemistry.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (12/08/13 08:04 AM)
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Khancious]
#19244061 - 12/08/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think there's the Mystery and there's the ability to experience, to "grok," the Mystery.
The Mystery is there regardless of my abilities. Just like the trees are in the woods regardless of whether I'm there or not.
My ability to experience the Mystery is 100 percent brain chemistry and biology.
Some people are born with their gates open. Some people open up the gates with drugs. Some people open up the gates with meditation and other practices. Some people are biologically destined to have "closed gates," period. Regardless of what they practice, swallow, or inject themselves with.
All in my opinion.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Deviate]
#19244460 - 12/08/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: There is no such thing as chemicals. According to science, matter and energy are interchangeable. So what you call chemicals is actually just energy taking on a specific form, the form we call chemical.
So there is nothing but energy transformations.
Even energy may not be the end of the line. Right, I mean we're taking someone's word on that.
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I think there's the Mystery and there's the ability to experience, to "grok," the Mystery.
How would you even know? Maybe you got it all wrong.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Icelander]
#19244620 - 12/08/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: I think there's the Mystery and there's the ability to experience, to "grok," the Mystery.
How would you even know? Maybe you got it all wrong.
I have 100 percent trust and faith in our humanness and the powers of discernment therein.
Some disciplines teach distrust of our humanness and our powers. If that works for them, fine. It doesn't work for me, however.
From Day One, we humans have sensed the Mystery. The first cave people to scrape magic mushrooms off the floor of the jungle and consume them no doubt experienced the Mystery.
Giving words to it is the ongoing challenge.
We still haven't mastered that.
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How does it feel to be alive?
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Khancious]
#19245417 - 12/08/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Khancious said: Is this higher intelligence we are all masturbating with as lubricant, just elevated levels of seratonin? Sometimes I feel the Love... sometimes 6 feet ft under, you I'd like to shove... why is that? Am I just an ape with orthodoxy massaged into my neurons?

I mean, maybe? 
The whole argument of the brain being reducible to chemicals has always been silly to me. When a loved one dies in a car crash, no one (at least that I've met) thinks, "Oh fuck, my serotonin levels are low... Better raise them."
There is so much emotion that goes behind it. There are so many different personalities that differ from person to person that playes a role on how people deal with things. The thoughts are more along the lines of, "Oh God, why? How am I going to move on from this? How am I to cope with this? I miss this person."
This isn't to say that one's serotonin levels aren't low, but focusing purely on the chemical aspect is ignoring a very humanistic component of it. We don't experience life in terms of chemicals strictly. They are emotions that are felt and dealt with.
So I guess I'd answer your question as, "Yes, it is all chemical, and more."
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: r72rock]
#19248690 - 12/09/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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r72rock said:
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Khancious said: Is this higher intelligence we are all masturbating with as lubricant, just elevated levels of seratonin? Sometimes I feel the Love... sometimes 6 feet ft under, you I'd like to shove... why is that? Am I just an ape with orthodoxy massaged into my neurons?

I mean, maybe? 
The whole argument of the brain being reducible to chemicals has always been silly to me. When a loved one dies in a car crash, no one (at least that I've met) thinks, "Oh fuck, my serotonin levels are low... Better raise them."
There is so much emotion that goes behind it. There are so many different personalities that differ from person to person that playes a role on how people deal with things. The thoughts are more along the lines of, "Oh God, why? How am I going to move on from this? How am I to cope with this? I miss this person."
This isn't to say that one's serotonin levels aren't low, but focusing purely on the chemical aspect is ignoring a very humanistic component of it. We don't experience life in terms of chemicals strictly. They are emotions that are felt and dealt with.
So I guess I'd answer your question as, "Yes, it is all chemical, and more."
the truth of that according to me, so some limited guess for a minor hint
is what we are trapped in opposite and all kind of emotional individual feelings and objective senses .. when we leave it to reality and we don't insist at least on concept of point to stay out of everything
which prove how existence is the freedom only
which explain how evil is the power now of all, because you know evil keep lying and don't care about anything present right or any value cares to keep doing shit more ...
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Khancious]
#19251347 - 12/09/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Khancious said: Is this higher intelligence we are all masturbating with as lubricant, just elevated levels of seratonin? Sometimes I feel the Love... sometimes 6 feet ft under, you I'd like to shove... why is that? Am I just an ape with orthodoxy massaged into my neurons?

Why do people always add the 'just' part to "It's all just chemicals, mannn"? Everything is chemicals, or at least everything is matter/energy/physical "stuff" from a certain perspective, but it's not JUST that. It's also consciousness/ideas/mind "stuff" from another perspective. No perspective is any more valid or ontologically superior to any other.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: deCypher]
#19251431 - 12/09/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a mystery to me. I know how to possitively affect my chemicals, but I wasn't always that careful and generous to myself - I used to recklesssly induce bad chemicals (dissociatives) and ignore my body's needs, I thought it was a kind of spiritual path....
kind of strange that I thought having bad chemicals brought me closer to the truth. And now I feel the opposite.
I don't know, it's a mystery.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Khancious]
#19251767 - 12/09/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is all of our experience reducible to chemistry...
What does this question even mean?
That our conscious experiences aren't chemicals seems self-evident to me.
For example,
Pain is a feeling that hurts; chemicals are a concept that developed out of the systematic analysis of certain kinds of sensory experience that we call science.
Red is a color that looks red; chemicals are a concept that...
...and so on.
Edited by hmmn (12/09/13 06:36 PM)
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: hmmn]
#19252146 - 12/09/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pain is a feeling that hurts; chemicals are a concept that developed out of the systematic analysis of certain kinds of sensory experience that we call science.
Thats exactly what I meant when I said there was no such thing as chemicals. Things are what they are. Saying "everything is just chemicals" seems to almost imply that things aren't what they are, they are actually this concept called "chemicals". But this concept is actually something that developed out of things being what they are, not the other way around.
Of course there is a chemical component to our experience. The contents of our mind correlate with the chemistry of our brain, etc. But this is an intellectual way of looking at things. Theres nothing wrong with this, it only becomes confusing when you forget what is and you start to think that your own conceptual abstractions are more real than you are.
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Deviate]
#19252218 - 12/09/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well said Deviate
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Re: Is it all chemical? revamped [Re: Allisterem]
#19252361 - 12/09/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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