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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19245395 - 12/08/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: I was a cook for several years, taken many a food handling/sanitation class. You can easily get a "food safe reliable grow of power" with some basic supplies and a little knowledge of cleanliness and knowing where your ingredients came from. This can easily be achieved without lab conditions.
I wonder, If Anne's neighbor approached and said "I grew way too many tomatoes and zucchini this summer, do you want any"...what would happen....I would imagine that "it" only acts the way it does (John Gabriel's Greater Internet "F-wad" theory), and would graciously accept fruits and veggies grown OUTSIDE OF A LAB, IN A BACKYARD.
Do you think that "it" speaks in haiku to "its" neighbor?
Thanks for the Tomatoes Ripe they are Should make for some nice topper To my burger on the grill Also made outside a lab with meat obtained from an unknown cow Delivered to my grocer's meat department.
The way it acts about lab conditions here makes me wonder if "it" even eats. There is no way that any grocery store produce aisle meets "its" standards.
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bEelzeBosS
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Whippy said:
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LiquidGlass said: I was a cook for several years, taken many a food handling/sanitation class. You can easily get a "food safe reliable grow of power" with some basic supplies and a little knowledge of cleanliness and knowing where your ingredients came from. This can easily be achieved without lab conditions.
I wonder, If Anne's neighbor approached and said "I grew way too many tomatoes and zucchini this summer, do you want any"...what would happen....I would imagine that "it" only acts the way it does (John Gabriel's Greater Internet "F-wad" theory), and would graciously accept fruits and veggies grown OUTSIDE OF A LAB, IN A BACKYARD.
Do you think that "it" speaks in haiku to "its" neighbor?
Thanks for the Tomatoes Ripe they are Should make for some nice topper To my burger on the grill Also made outside a lab with meat obtained from an unknown cow Delivered to my grocer's meat department.
The way it acts about lab conditions here makes me wonder if "it" even eats. There is no way that any grocery store produce aisle meets "its" standards.

There is no way anne believes the shit she's spewing. She's probably laughing her ass off at all of us, especially me for letting her troll me into making this thread. Must be a boring life to have nothing to do other than fuck with people on the internet all day.
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#19245799 - 12/08/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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chaotic646 said: Must be a boring life to have nothing to do other than fuck with people on the internet all day.
Thank god I am on vacation this month so that I can enjoy all these fun-guys.
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19245935 - 12/08/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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From the wiki on pp5 or polypropelene:
In 2008, researchers in Canada asserted that quaternary ammonium biocides and oleamide were leaking out of certain polypropylene labware, affecting experimental results.[28] As polypropylene is used in a wide number of food containers such as those for yogurt, Health Canada media spokesman Paul Duchesne, said the department will be reviewing the findings to determine whether steps are needed to protect consumers.[29]
Quaternary ammonium compounds can display a range of health effects, amongst which are mild skin and respiratory irritation [11] up to severe caustic burns on skin and gastro-intestinal lining (depending on concentration), gastro-intestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea and vomiting), coma, convulsions, hypotension and death.[12]
How's your testing going for these substances in your pp5 pced grains Anne?
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Violet



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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: invitro]
#19245982 - 12/08/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Invitro, are you serious? You posted that junk 5 months ago. I wasn't aware you were the type to cherry-pick whatever you can use as a demonstrative weapon, whether it's legit or not...
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anne halonium said: food is commonly stored in PP5.
Exactly. Certainly by now 'the department' has fully been "reviewing the findings to determine whether steps are needed to protect consumers." If they found true issues you'd have found more than that barely-relevant tidbit. 5 years later Zip-Loc products are on the shelf with safety that far exceeds the standards of most.
At that; "In 2008, researchers in Canada asserted that quaternary ammonium biocides and oleamide were leaking out of certainpolypropylene labware" "Certain" labware. This seems to indicate that it wasn't coming out of ALL labware and is thus is not an inherent in polypropylene. Not to mention that Canadian researches simply "asserted" that it happened at all.
If I were to have found only the doc that you found, but nothing beyond it saying that such concerns were found to be valid, I'd continue to suspend unnecessary disbelief. You can ALWAYS find SOMETHING that could feed superfluous worry, especially on the internet. The question is, how willing are you to let them intercept the goings-on of your real life?
If you really think their "assertion" about "certain labware" should be considered a potential reason to not try this grow tek, but continue to eat directly out of those very products and make no point of informing yourself as to which, then I would call that "filtering a fly but swallowing a camel." My humble opinion: That's silly and trivial.
The title of your post; "Is polypropylene safe?" ...Safe for What? To grow in? Yes!
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anne halonium said: i would suggest , you dont eat PP5 contianers.
I'm not sure I could word my sentiments more briefly than that.
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: invitro]
#19246032 - 12/08/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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invitro said:
How's your testing going for these substances in your pp5 pced grains Anne?
Scan for that?
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: Violet]
#19246141 - 12/08/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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5 months ago I was content to accept that you(violet and Anne) were not concerned, so I dropped it.
But it is a double standard to test for all manner of contaminants in horse manure bulk teks and then turn a blind eye to possible contaminants in pp5. Obvoiusly my concern was in the mushroom taking up the chemicals from the pp5. Saying "do not eat pp5 containers" is nonsense, which is why I didn't reply the first time.
This message was more a warning to those who are new to pp5. Quaternary ammonuim leaking from pp5 food containers was a possibility that Canada was looking at seriously, probably until big business squashed any hope of researching it.
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#19246220 - 12/08/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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chaotic646 said: This is one flush from three 52qt tubs. I follow Frank's teks for the most part with a few minor changes here and there but that had nothing to do with this...this is all just pure luck. I'm glad I'm so lucky with my closet and bathroom, no way anyone could do this without a lab unless they were as lucky as me.

Damn! I see you used three 52 qt tubs but how much spawn and substrate did you use?
Nice flush anyway
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: invitro]
#19246319 - 12/08/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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invitro said: probably until big business squashed any hope of researching it.
It is quite amazing in the great old USA how many oil "enriched" products we use daily. Oil is used in plastics. In case any of you missed that lesson in JR high economics....OIL IS BIG BUSINESS, with big money...enough to squash research and to buy politicians. Oil does not adhere to borders or governments, and has more money then they do.
It is 100% A double standard to point a finger and say "did you check for this/that" while defending the notion that chemicals are certainly not leaching out of the plastics that use for every part of your process....Though studies by a number of non government/oil groups class PP5 as a "low to moderate hazard". I am 100% certain that Annie's garage lab tek has no way to test for that. Sounds like someone is caught in a conundrum.
I am less concerned about agar xfers from pp5 than I am eating from a pp5 container (Who the hell would eat a pp5 container.)
I do not trust our grand government to protect us (Any of them), and certainly don't expect any company using oil to make consumer products to divulge any real truths.
Playing devil's advocate has been fun, but.... I think that it is a VERY INTELLIGENT RETORT by invitro:
AnneViolet: Did you scan your output for leeched chemicals from the plastic? Do you even have the capacity to do that in your lab? How can you say for sure that you are not allowing a known carcinogen to slip into your fruits? Did you even know that this was possible? There are mushrooms that have been proven to eat plastics, who is to say that cubes cannot metabolize and store these chemicals in their fruit body? If you did not test for it, you cannot make claims that it does not.
I can't remember too many times that glass was accused of anything like this.
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bEelzeBosS
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: 2bittoker]
#19246436 - 12/08/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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2bittoker said:
Damn! I see you used three 52 qt tubs but how much spawn and substrate did you use?
Nice flush anyway 
3qt spawn, 5qt sub. They're about 2 inches deep.
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#19246534 - 12/08/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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chaotic646 said: This is one flush from three 52qt tubs. I follow Frank's teks for the most part with a few minor changes here and there but that had nothing to do with this...this is all just pure luck. I'm glad I'm so lucky with my closet and bathroom, no way anyone could do this without a lab unless they were as lucky as me.

thats how we do it round here, good job. +5 for you
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Re: Look how lucky I am anne! [Re: twistedty]
#19246948 - 12/08/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I sure as hell don't scan the tomatoes and peppers I grow for antibiotics, pesticides, metals, steroids parasites, or mycotoxins, why the fuck would I scan my shrooms? Last time I checked, people weren't feeding heavy metals to horses and growing coir with steroids that could be absorbed by mushrooms and cause me any significant harm. I guarantee drinking regular milk is far more of a hazard.
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