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Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today?
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I think being middle-income now is probably more appealing.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242596 - 12/07/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rich in the '60s. More tax loopholes, easier money laundering, and less STDs for all the I'd be doing on the hippy sluts because I'm rich as fuck.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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What's your definition of extremely rich and middle income?
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Boutang]
#19242616 - 12/07/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Millionaire in the 60s, or you make between 100-500k a year for your family now.
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$100-500k a year is FAR from middle income.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19242633 - 12/07/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: $100-500k a year is FAR from middle income.
If you knew the answer, why did you ask?
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242638 - 12/07/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't ask anything, I chose rich in the '60s but I'd rather be earning $500k today than millions in the '60s because $500k today is ballin. Even after taxes which is a straight up raping at that income level, you'd still be sitting pretty. You'd retire with millions in the bank and investments, paid off houses, etc. with that income. Well that's if you had a good financial advisor which I would.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19242643 - 12/07/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: I didn't ask anything, I chose rich in the '60s but I'd rather be earning $500k today than millions in the '60s because $500k today is ballin
Oh shit. Sorry, I need to open my eyes a bit wider when I read things. Yeah, 500k a year is balling, but it's not extremely rich.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19242644 - 12/07/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rich in the 60's.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242647 - 12/07/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The present by a long shot, we have a lot more information and resources on hand. Living in a simpler time would be nice, I'm sure, but I bet it would be hard to get used to. I live in the woods now, which would be a lot less practical back then.
I'm also spoiled by the incredible and available today.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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mid income today...
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242657 - 12/07/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The crux of the issue is that middle income, in my eyes, is around $60-80k a year. Upper middle is $100-150k and I'd say north of $150k income for one person is in the rich range. Not straight ballin rich, but not hurting and below the government's highest tax bracket so that's good too.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said: The crux of the issue is that middle income, in my eyes, is around $60-80k a year. Upper middle is $100-150k and I'd say north of $150k income for one person is in the rich range. Not straight ballin rich, but not hurting and below the government's highest tax bracket so that's good too.
All depends on where you live. 100k a year is barely middle income in some areas.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242666 - 12/07/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mid income today.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19242668 - 12/07/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: The crux of the issue is that middle income, in my eyes, is around $60-80k a year. Upper middle is $100-150k and I'd say north of $150k income for one person is in the rich range. Not straight ballin rich, but not hurting and below the government's highest tax bracket so that's good too.
The crux of the issue is the question of live now or in the 60's in its many variations seems to come up like twice a week around here.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242676 - 12/07/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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True I didn't think of that. Where I grew up, high level income is $100k+ You can get a nice 3,500+ sq ft house in a gated suburb around $200-250k South TX. Very low cost of living.
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The_Ghost said: The crux of the issue is the question of live now or in the 60's in its many variations seems to come up like twice a week around here.
True there are a fuckton of '60s people wannabes in this place.
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abltsandwich said: True I didn't think of that. Where I grew up, high level income is $100k+ You can get a nice 3,500+ sq ft house in a gated suburb around $200-250k South TX. Very low cost of living.
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The_Ghost said: The crux of the issue is the question of live now or in the 60's in its many variations seems to come up like twice a week around here.
True there are a fuckton of '60s people wannabes in this place.
your in a community of trippers.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said: Rich in the '60s. More tax loopholes, easier money laundering, and less STDs for all the I'd be doing on the hippy sluts because I'm rich as fuck.
also 30 years of innovation you can invest in.
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Rich in the 60s with my knowledge of the future I could become a billionaire by the 80s!
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19242892 - 12/07/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason i'd want to be in the 60's is to see a couple bands. Otherwise I'm good in present time.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: brokentv]
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Rich in the 60's for sure. Shit even poor in the 60's wouldn't be too bad.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19242922 - 12/07/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: $100-500k a year is FAR from middle income.
Seriously. The top 1% actually starts at $350,000. Middle income, depending on where you live, is between $30,000-$80,000.
And I'd rather be rich in the 1960's. Many drugs weren't yet legal at this time, although as an Asian woman I might have endured more racism. If I was guaranteed no discrimination though, then for sure 1960's.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
#19242929 - 12/07/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: $100-500k a year is FAR from middle income.
Seriously. The top 1% actually starts at $350,000. Middle income, depending on where you live, is between $30,000-$80,000.
All of the houses in approx. 20 sq miles of where I live are 1-2 million dollar houses. Are you saying they are ALL upper class? It's all demographics. I should have just said well off...
Don't need to make it so technical.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242948 - 12/07/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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All of the houses in approx. 20 sq miles of where I live are 1-2 million dollar houses. Are you saying they are ALL upper class? It's all demographics. I should have just said well off...
Don't need to make it so technical.
Yes. They would be considered upper-class. Hence why there are "upper-class neighborhoods" and "lower-class neighborhoods."
Statistically, the top 1% actually begins at $350,000 a year.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
#19242966 - 12/07/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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somewhere around 51k is the average HOUSEHOLD income....that isn't even just one person thats all the income in the whole house.....
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
#19242971 - 12/07/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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Moorning Due said:
All of the houses in approx. 20 sq miles of where I live are 1-2 million dollar houses. Are you saying they are ALL upper class? It's all demographics. I should have just said well off...
Don't need to make it so technical.
Yes. They would be considered upper-class. Hence why there are "upper-class neighborhoods" and "lower-class neighborhoods."
Statistically, the top 1% actually begins at $350,000 a year.
Sorry, that was back in 2006 and that was off anyhow, and right before a bunch of shit hit the fan.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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Crystal G said:
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Moorning Due said:
All of the houses in approx. 20 sq miles of where I live are 1-2 million dollar houses. Are you saying they are ALL upper class? It's all demographics. I should have just said well off...
Don't need to make it so technical.
Yes. They would be considered upper-class. Hence why there are "upper-class neighborhoods" and "lower-class neighborhoods."
Statistically, the top 1% actually begins at $350,000 a year.
Sorry, that was back in 2006 and that was off anyhow, and right before a bunch of shit hit the fan.
You stated middle-income. As boredone said, middle income is right around $45,000 for almost all states: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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Here is another one, as recent from 2013...
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Richest 1% earn biggest share since Roaring '20s
since the recession officially ended in June 2009, the top 1 percent have enjoyed the benefits of rising corporate profits and stock prices: 95 percent of the income gains reported since 2009 have gone to the top 1 percent.
The top 1 percent of American households had pretax income above $394,000 last year. The top 10 percent had income exceeding $114,000.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101025377
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
#19243029 - 12/07/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK, YOU are right..
Well off people.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: TrentBoyett]
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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I'm going with the era when LSD was legal and the War on Drugs wasnt around yet.
Only negative is.. a pinner of mj lands you in prison or sumshit.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: OldHam]
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Yeah. And people in the 1960's weren't very good looking so I would be like, considered a beauty queen or some shit if I was born back then.
I would also be able to commit many crimes and have a better chance of getting away with it. Carjacking, murder, arson, banking fraud, etc.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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If the wealth differential was between having to work and not having to work not having to work would trump almost anything.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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I can go on the Internet and download/read just about anything I want, I can go to google and learn about almost anything I want to. I would take the Internet over any amount of money. Plus, porn from the 60's sucked.
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fapjack said: I can go on the Internet and download/read just about anything I want, I can go to google and learn about almost anything I want to. I would take the Internet over any amount of money. Plus, porn from the 60's sucked.
Dude, I can't tell you how magical it was to hide in the closet, jerking off watching my dads old 90mm real 2 real set up under my clothes in the closet. Wasn't the 60's, but the porn was... Trust me, it didn't matter.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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I'd rather be well off today. We're making big strides medically, politically, and in many other ways. I don't want to live in a backwards time.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Synthe]
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Millionaire in the 60's. I meet OPs definition of "middle income" and its not all that great.
I'd like to be ignorant of today's technology though.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: I can go on the Internet and download/read just about anything I want, I can go to google and learn about almost anything I want to. I would take the Internet over any amount of money. Plus, porn from the 60's sucked.
If you're extremely wealthy you can buy a library. You could pay women to perform naked in front of you, I hear they got pretty freaky in the 60s.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: jboredone]
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jboredone said: somewhere around 51k is the average HOUSEHOLD income....that isn't even just one person thats all the income in the whole house.....
That's close to where I sit, and if things go the way I want/plan lower than where I sit. I would rather be here now then be their then.
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fapjack said: I can go on the Internet and download/read just about anything I want, I can go to google and learn about almost anything I want to. I would take the Internet over any amount of money. Plus, porn from the 60's sucked.
If you're extremely wealthy you can buy a library. You could pay women to perform naked in front of you, I hear they got pretty freaky in the 60s.
There is a lot more shit I would prefer doing now than in the 60's, money isn't as important to me as a lot of other people here. I'm happy with my life the way it is.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Now. Better tax picture for the wealthy now as opposed to the 1960's.
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fapjack said: I can go on the Internet and download/read just about anything I want, I can go to google and learn about almost anything I want to. I would take the Internet over any amount of money. Plus, porn from the 60's sucked.
IMO the entire Internet doesn't even come close to a good library.
Also, in my opinion fake boobs have severely damaged the porn watching scene. I love that old shit where women were women not gross plastic dolls.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Synthe]
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Synthe said: I'd rather be well off today. We're making big strides medically, politically, and in many other ways. I don't want to live in a backwards time.
Politically?
Really?
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IMO the entire Internet doesn't even come close to a good library.
The internet has more information than every library on the planet, and it has over 1 billion cats.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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IMO the entire Internet doesn't even come close to a good library.
The internet has more information than every library on the planet, and it has over 1 billion cats.
The problem is the validity of the information on the internet. Not saying that all information in a library is to be taken as 100% true, but at least there is a vetting process. So while you may get MORE information from the internet, the quality of that information is nowhere near the standards of a good library.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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Can you please explain to me the vetting process that is in place for the library.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: 4runner]
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Umm, there are these people called librarians. Some are even PhD's.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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You think librarians read every book in the library? You think we knew more in the 60's than we do now? I think wikipedia is about as accurate as the encyclopedia if memory serves. Then again, I read that on the internet.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: You think librarians read every book in the library? You think we knew more in the 60's than we do now? I think wikipedia is about as accurate as the encyclopedia if memory serves. Then again, I read that on the internet.
Go ask a librarian what they think... Or anyone that has to use "credible" sources on a regular basis.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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I think a librarians subjective opinion is about as valid as asking someone on reddit. The internet is full of bullshit sources just as its filled with legitimate, verifiable sources. Also, the library's collection of cat pictures is severely lacking.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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A library is just a book depository.
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A librarian with a PhD, man they must suck at their profession.
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That is awesome, and so very true.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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IMO the entire Internet doesn't even come close to a good library.
The internet has more information than every library on the planet, and it has over 1 billion cats.
No it does not. Anybody who says this has never had to write a dissertation or scholarly article or case study. You can get VAGUE or BASIC information about any subject on the internet, but the more intricate and advanced level of information you are looking for (like PhD level of expertise), the less and less you will find it on the internet. Frankly, you will probably not pass if you attempt to write a dissertation using only sources you found on the internet.
There are some things that are always better to look for at your library.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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No. Not really. All major medical/scientific journals are online nowadays.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: badchad]
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No. They are not. Medical, scientific, engineering, yes, they can be found online. But there is a whole scope of studies OUTSIDE of medical/science journals that are not available online, such as political science, economics, gender studies, etc.
I know this because I tried to save a trip to the library all throughout my university years by simply typing in the article I was searching for on the search engine. Over 90% of the time my search results came up empty. I always had to go to the library any time I wanted to get REAL information.
Also, it should be known, that for most of those medical/science journals, you need to register a username and password and establish affiliation to a company or accredited schooling to read the content of many of those.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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IMO the entire Internet doesn't even come close to a good library.
The internet has more information than every library on the planet, and it has over 1 billion cats.
No it does not. Anybody who says this has never had to write a dissertation or scholarly article or case study. You can get VAGUE or BASIC information about any subject on the internet, but the more intricate and advanced level of information you are looking for (like PhD level of expertise), the less and less you will find it on the internet. Frankly, you will probably not pass if you attempt to write a dissertation using only sources you found on the internet.
There are some things that are always better to look for at your library.
There is tons of information you won't find on the internet or the library, that doesn't mean that there is more information in a library than the internet. Almost every person with a computer has some of their writings on the internet. Who the fuck cares about a dissertation, like that relates to all of what I said.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Like I said, the internet is good for BASIC information. The library is good for advanced or expert levels of information and education.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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That sounds very scientific, you should write your dissertation about that...
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Extremely rich 60's. I would be knee deep in bushy hippie pussy, every once in a while hire a migrant landscaper to trim back the strange.lather rinse repeat
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: myc_check1212]
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I know migrant laborers that get lots of pussy and they make minimum wage. Being rich doesn't guarantee you will get laid all the time.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Re: Libraries, It's not because of the librarian It's that 1. People spend the time and energy to write more than 4 pages on a particular subject 2. They Expect it to be well written enough to sell 3. They put their real name (or real enough) on it, stake their real reputation on those books 4. That is then read by a publisher who decides whether or not to spend the money to print it 5. Then it has to sell, and be adopted by major groups as a significant text 6. THEN it is adopted by a library
So yea, information found in a library is held to just a little bit higher standard than the information on the internet.
Annnnyway, Being rich doesn't guarantee that you'll get laid, but come on, it definitely makes it easier.
Tbh I'm reading this question as: Act out all of your fantasies, but in the 60s; or, get to jerk off to internet porn. What can you really do with todays technology now that you couldn't do then?
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Maybe not, but I could build a sweet commune at 1960's dollars before rampant inflation. A hippie field of dreams, if you build it they will come. And so might I, giggity
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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Either way you'll end up dead in the end. I don't think dieing with the most stuff makes you win. What would make you happy? I guess my raw preference would be to do either outside of the USA. In the 60's pot was still a felony and passing one in a circle could get everyone their own 10 year stint for "distribution". Of course that never matters outside of a small circle of friends.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Who said anything about taking it with me, its all about a high standard, and hippie whisker biscuit
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today? [Re: myc_check1212]
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High standard for a poop flinging chimp. We're still just worm food in the end.
Success is just a prison for the prisoners and blood is the language we're written in.
Sweat and saliva are slippery and so are we.
So dance and dance dance dance because we love you.
In the river flow of life, crushed into a body.
The gentle soul is crushed into a body.
The heavens are horrified and yet we just tremble with desires.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Being rich in the 60's would just put you about 50 years older and that much closer to death in the here and now. I'm gonna go with middle class.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Magic missile, not poo
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said: Re: Libraries, It's not because of the librarian It's that 1. People spend the time and energy to write more than 4 pages on a particular subject 2. They Expect it to be well written enough to sell 3. They put their real name (or real enough) on it, stake their real reputation on those books 4. That is then read by a publisher who decides whether or not to spend the money to print it 5. Then it has to sell, and be adopted by major groups as a significant text 6. THEN it is adopted by a library
So yea, information found in a library is held to just a little bit higher standard than the information on the internet.
Annnnyway, Being rich doesn't guarantee that you'll get laid, but come on, it definitely makes it easier.
Tbh I'm reading this question as: Act out all of your fantasies, but in the 60s; or, get to jerk off to internet porn. What can you really do with todays technology now that you couldn't do then?
Most of the books in a library can be found on the internet now, and if they can't you can get someone to scan it for you. That doesn't even include all the other shit that isn't in a library.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Lynnch said: Re: Libraries, It's not because of the librarian It's that 1. People spend the time and energy to write more than 4 pages on a particular subject 2. They Expect it to be well written enough to sell 3. They put their real name (or real enough) on it, stake their real reputation on those books 4. That is then read by a publisher who decides whether or not to spend the money to print it 5. Then it has to sell, and be adopted by major groups as a significant text 6. THEN it is adopted by a library
So yea, information found in a library is held to just a little bit higher standard than the information on the internet.
Annnnyway, Being rich doesn't guarantee that you'll get laid, but come on, it definitely makes it easier.
Tbh I'm reading this question as: Act out all of your fantasies, but in the 60s; or, get to jerk off to internet porn. What can you really do with todays technology now that you couldn't do then?
Most of the books in a library can be found on the internet now, and if they can't you can get someone to scan it for you. That doesn't even include all the other shit that isn't in a library.
Wrong. Totally, 100% wrong.
Let's just stay On-Topic.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Okay, whatever. So then can we agree it's a push? So you have access to information, big whoop. Have fun reading wikipedia while I'm banging models on my sailboat in the bahamas (yes, they had models, sailboats, and the bahamas in the 60s)
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Lynnch]
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Hope you enjoyed it, cause you died of heart failure while banging a prostitute 15 years ago.
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Why do you value being alive right now over being alive in the 60s or a thousand years ago or a thousand years from now? Its a small blip on a timeline no matter where that blip is. I see no value in life now or 10,000 years ago as any different. A length on a timeline is a length on a timeline, a very finite part of the infinate so why do you value one length on it over another length on it? Very serious question here so don't write it off.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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Just the way I want to go out
But fair enough, medical technology would make a difference, sure.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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So yea, information found in a library is held to just a little bit higher standard than the information on the internet.
Annnnyway, Being rich doesn't guarantee that you'll get laid, but come on, it definitely makes it easier.
Tbh I'm reading this question as: Act out all of your fantasies, but in the 60s; or, get to jerk off to internet porn. What can you really do with todays technology now that you couldn't do then?
Most of the books in a library can be found on the internet now, and if they can't you can get someone to scan it for you. That doesn't even include all the other shit that isn't in a library.
Most books? No they can't. If they could then every single student would be able to torrent their school textbooks online for free. Every university student has attempted this I guarantee you that. Those things are expensive, you know. If textbooks could be found online for free then the university textbook industry would have gone bankrupt ages ago.
Maybe every now and then you will get lucky and be able to find in a scanned copy on Google Books or Amazon. You still have to PAY to read the full copy, essentially not making it any more effective than a library.
You can find for example, previews of books written by say, Winifred Woodhull or Amanda Lotz or Robert Dahl on Google Books, but you only get about a 10 page preview and you have to pay for the whole book. (The closest that I got on Dahl was a 37 page preview from a 200+ page book: http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/pdf/0300092180.pdf )
But notice how the only place you can find these texts online are from the UNIVERSITY libraries. Most of these books you need an ID and passcode to read. The others are found on their online library section, meaning they are all from the library, and select a handful of books to publish publicly. You are essentially viewing their online library selection, which is nowhere near the selection that they have in-person at the actual library facility.
Additionally, since people only bother to scan in NEW books, it would be very difficult to find an academic book that was written earlier than the 1990's, unless it was a particularly famous book.
Other things that are not on the internet are university peer-review journals written by graduate students.
Of all the textbooks that I studied, the only thing that I have successfully been able to find FOR FREE was a complete copy of all of Karl Marx's works. That's it.
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I that a fucking joke or something?
There are literally millions of things you can do now than you couldn't back then thanks to technology...
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GPS, animal cloning, artificial insemination, internet, high-resolution digital photography, sonograms, machine-operated surgery, more complex radars, MP3 players and DVDs instead of cassettes and VHS, Photoshop, solar energy, wind turbines, electric cars, X Box, a million new pharmaceuticals just to name a few...
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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So yea, information found in a library is held to just a little bit higher standard than the information on the internet.
Annnnyway, Being rich doesn't guarantee that you'll get laid, but come on, it definitely makes it easier.
Tbh I'm reading this question as: Act out all of your fantasies, but in the 60s; or, get to jerk off to internet porn. What can you really do with todays technology now that you couldn't do then?
Most of the books in a library can be found on the internet now, and if they can't you can get someone to scan it for you. That doesn't even include all the other shit that isn't in a library.
Most books? No they can't. If they could then every single student would be able to torrent their school textbooks online for free. Every university student has attempted this I guarantee you that. Those things are expensive, you know. If textbooks could be found online for free then the university textbook industry would have gone bankrupt ages ago.
Maybe every now and then you will get lucky and be able to find in a scanned copy on Google Books or Amazon. You still have to PAY to read the full copy, essentially not making it any more effective than a library.
You can find for example, previews of books written by say, Winifred Woodhull or Amanda Lotz or Robert Dahl on Google Books, but you only get about a 10 page preview and you have to pay for the whole book. (The closest that I got on Dahl was a 37 page preview from a 200+ page book: http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/pdf/0300092180.pdf )
But notice how the only place you can find these texts online are from the UNIVERSITY libraries. Most of these books you need an ID and passcode to read. The others are found on their online library section, meaning they are all from the library, and select a handful of books to publish publicly. You are essentially viewing their online library selection, which is nowhere near the selection that they have in-person at the actual library facility.
Additionally, since people only bother to scan in NEW books, it would be very difficult to find an academic book that was written earlier than the 1990's, unless it was a particularly famous book.
Other things that are not on the internet are university peer-review journals written by graduate students.
Of all the textbooks that I studied, the only thing that I have successfully been able to find FOR FREE was a complete copy of all of Karl Marx's works. That's it.
But everything you've read you yourself had the ability to upload, as does anyone else reading anything. Its really not that hard, and just because you didn't find it online doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, just because specific writings of people aren't online doesn't mean the same information can't be found elsewhere.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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The Internet is like 99% copy and paste jobs from one source with a bunch of sketchy bullshit websites with a bunch of fucking ads. Any dipshit with a computer can post any shit he wants. Books have to be published. And books that are out of print are rarely available online but can often be found a good big city library. And the misinformation and misdirection on the Internet makes it less valuable by the month. It's just a big convoluted clusterfuck. All the real knowledge is still on paper.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
#19251447 - 12/09/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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...So? This doesn't mean people go through the tiresome and redundant task of scanning in thousands and thousands of pages from every single book to upload.
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Its really not that hard, and just because you didn't find it online doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
But what's the point, if it's that difficult to find online then it doesn't make it any more accessible or easier to find than in a library.
The argument was over whether a library or the internet has more information. Currently, TO DATE, the internet is lacking in many many things that are available in the library.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G] 1
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There is probably over a trillion gigs of data on the internet, library of congress has less than 500,000 gigs. I don't even understand what you are trying to say.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: There is probably over a trillion gigs of data on the internet, library of congress has less than 500,000 gigs. I don't even understand what you are trying to say.
If I understand correctly... Since she failed to find her textbooks for free she believes no one else can or has done that. An interesting attitude I must say. And one which would have deprived man of all invention if it were believed by other inventors just because someone had previously failed at it.
For some perspective, I graduated college in 2010 and my senior year I regularly got my textbooks as bootleg e-products, including the professor's test banks. They are out there but I did expend considerable effort. Keep in mind only something like 20% of the internet is indexed by google or bing...
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Well no shit there's over a trillion gigs of data, over 90% of that is porn, youtube, facebook, and other irrelevant shit.
Yea, I guess if you are looking for the latest celebrity gossip, or cooking recipes, or how to perform CWE extractions, videos of kittens the internet is the place to go. But as far as finding high quality scholarly material, the internet doesn't even come close to the content the library offers. I am talking about QUALITY of information, not a vast amount of useless and irrelevant material (which the internet is best at).
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Well no shit there's over a trillion gigs of data, over 90% of that is porn, youtube, facebook, and other irrelevant shit.
Yea, I guess if you are looking for the latest celebrity gossip, or cooking recipes, or how to perform CWE extractions, videos of kittens the internet is the place to go. But as far as finding high quality scholarly material, the internet doesn't even come close to the content the library offers. I am talking about QUALITY of information, not a vast amount of useless and irrelevant material (which the internet is best at).
There is a vast amount of qualty information on the internet, you just may have to wade through some bullshit to find it
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
#19252951 - 12/09/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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More on topic, if you guys feel like discussing it, my point was more that having easier access to information doesn't make all that huge a difference in one's day to day life. Sure, being able to stream netflix is a great improvement on the 60s; but if you were rich enough then, having a private movie theater isn't out of the question.
I'm trying to think of real important experiences that weren't possible then that are now. Watching a movie in hi-def doesn't really count, sorry.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: fapjack]
#19252953 - 12/09/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis deee, I will get to your post in a minute. I'm pumping iron in the gym now.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a well-off person today? [Re: Moorning Due]
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I'm pretty content with where I am in my life right now, but if I had to make a choice between one of these, I would probably choose the 60's. Sexual revolution, great abundant strong LSD, great music, etc.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
#19253072 - 12/09/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think any further reply is needed. Our experiences and resources we found were different, that was all. Its not as though any two people's experiences are ever the same anyway. Ask 10 witnesses to a car crash what happened and you get 10 different answers. We percievice and find different things, as it should be.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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fapjack said: There is probably over a trillion gigs of data on the internet, library of congress has less than 500,000 gigs. I don't even understand what you are trying to say.
If I understand correctly... Since she failed to find her textbooks for free she believes no one else can or has done that. An interesting attitude I must say. And one which would have deprived man of all invention if it were believed by other inventors just because someone had previously failed at it.
For some perspective, I graduated college in 2010 and my senior year I regularly got my textbooks as bootleg e-products, including the professor's test banks. They are out there but I did expend considerable effort. Keep in mind only something like 20% of the internet is indexed by google or bing...
So, may I ask exactly how you ascertained these products? Perhaps you could give us a step by step guide. After all, a large percentage of the Shroomery are starving college students, and I'm sure they would all appreciate your insight as to how you were able to obtain these documents.
Let's say, for example, I want to find the actual text from "Global Feminisms, Transnational Political Economics, Third World Cultural Production" by Winifred Woodhull, or "Wake Up and Smell the Lipgloss: Gender, Generation, and the Apolitics of Girl Power" by Rebecca Mumford, where would I go to get these online?
(I don't know how difficult any of these are to find online BTW, for all I know it could be quite easy, I'm simply selecting them at random from a compilation of books by my nightstand). But I'm just curious as to what methods you would use to ascertain these papers.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
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I initially found one from peer to peer sharing. Then the rest I began to get these crazy thoughts, like I will social engineer them from the publishers, and with some success hit the brick wall of publishers wanting to ship free physical copies to my university office. And since I was impersonating a professor I didn't want to risk getting them shipped to a real person and then trying to maintain they were sent to him by mistake when they were mine... I eventually made email contact with a person who had the current $3000 dollar becker cpa review software for sale for $150. So far as I gather he was tapped into foreign sources from an institution he was involved in and I paid him $10 each for the electronic versions of professor's copies with electronic test bank and other professor resources for several of my books. I naturally did initial seeding of those onto a torrent site to share the love. The flow to the student is restricted by institutional hurdles but like any other hurdles they can be overcome/corrupted by evil men, like me. This was over 3 years ago now, so if I were going to begin again I'd be starting again from scratch, but that should give you ideas of where I hit dead ends and had success.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19253814 - 12/10/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: I initially found one from peer to peer sharing.
When you say peer to peer sharing, are you talking like torrents, or as in somebody emailed an attachment to you with the file in the attachment? Because I basically view this as a slightly more intricate process than a scanner and a fax machine, that is essentially what you are doing. Of course, it's not realistic to simply wait around in the hopes that somebody will eventually upload the material that you are seeking, when it would be much simpler and easier to go to your local library and retrieve it.
Of course, your ability to have found ONE book on the internet doesn't say much of anything. I myself managed to find maybe two or three books online. The fact that you only found one from P2P suggests that there isn't much academic information available online.
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Then the rest I began to get these crazy thoughts, like I will social engineer them from the publishers, and with some success hit the brick wall of publishers wanting to ship free physical copies to my university office.
Yea... again, you are not truly obtaining any of the information from the internet. The internet simply made it faster and easier for you to anonymously obtain hardbook copies.
The fact that you had to jump through these hurdles to get these books tells me once more, that the internet is obviously lacking in scholarly material.
You obviously didn't understand what I meant when I said, "finding textbooks for free," because your post proved absolutely nothing about the internet. When I said find them for free, I did not mean committing fraud and then waiting days in the mail to obtain hardbook copies of textbooks, I meant getting easy access to a downloaded file with the information contained within it ONLINE.
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Re: Would you rather be an extremely rich person in 1960s or a middle-income person today? [Re: Crystal G]
#19255883 - 12/10/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Funny thing is when I was in college, I was actually able to lie and wrote emails pretending to be a professor to get the teachers manual (with all the answers) for many of the books for various courses out there.
Again, this boils down to not if the info is there, but the quality of it and how easily obtained it is.
Guys, go make your own thread.. Really. Topic: What is better, Library or Internet???
I'm going to make my own thread: "How to hi-jack a thread and be a know it all".
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