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Synthe
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
#19240819 - 12/07/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: Rational reasons to be religious....?
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
#19240821 - 12/07/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: Rational reasons to be religious....?
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akira_akuma
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Synthe]
#19240836 - 12/07/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rationality is as overrated as Religion.
the truly rational mind, can contemplate without feeling the need for easy answers. the question of "does God exist" has been one of the ages, and still people ponder about the relevance of such a question...
it's BEEN PONDERED THROUGHOUT ALL TIME AS HUMANS ON EARTH; and by plenty of people RATIONALLY. so, i'd say BOTH PARTIES ARE AT FUCKING FAULT; SO FUCKING GODDAMN IT STFU.
both parties are FUCKING INGRATES.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19240855 - 12/07/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you people?
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akira_akuma
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240865 - 12/07/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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*sigh* ok fine, you PERSON, YOU WIN! 
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Rationality is the quality or state of being agreeable to reason. An action, belief, or desire is rational if we ought to choose it
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#19240894 - 12/07/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Verification in almost all cases is peer reviewed, so a single experience wouldnt convince anyone other than myself thanks to the dozens of psychological biases in play.
Who said anything about trying to prove it to others? My belief in a deity is not dependent on mass consensus. In fact, I believe that knowledge of such can only be experienced subjectively--empirical facts are a product of the material world, so unless 'God' is composed of matter/energy (a matter up for debate), there should be no expectation of empirical date. Regardless, lack of empirical data does not render the subjective data valueless.
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Is that what God did to you and that's why you believe?
No need to make this personal. I'm not claiming this as my own personal experience--I don't have an unquestioning faith in any deity, nor do I believe myself to have rational reasoning for belief--but I have an open enough mind to contemplate things outside of my own experience.
As I said, proving it to other people is pretty significant in the realm of rationality.
If you want to believe, for whatever reason, that's fine. But it's not rational.
Example time: a girl from a small town decides to go to the city for the first time. She gets mugged. Second time she goes she gets stabbed. Third time raped.
Now in her mind, it seems rational to stay the fuck out of the city, but most other people understand that it's a shitty coincidence. So yes, in her mind it makes sense, but in the grand scheme of things there's no reason to think something terrible will happen every single time you enter a metropolitan area.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240906 - 12/07/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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aka irrational fear
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akira_akuma
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240928 - 12/07/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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without that "irrational fear" we'd have no "rational things" and we'd still be bleeding, bludgeoning and raping our way through life.
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shivas.wisdom
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240963 - 12/07/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: As I said, proving it to other people is pretty significant in the realm of rationality.
Actually, rationality is a quality attributable to an individual--the ability to prove your rationality to others is helpful in the transmission of knowledge and in our peer review tradition, but says nothing towards whether one is rational or not.
Meditation is a process of rationalizing, of internal reason, and despite my inability to demonstrate the information I find to others, the state of my mind during meditation is that of a rational one.
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Example time: a girl from a small town decides to go to the city for the first time. She gets mugged. Second time she goes she gets stabbed. Third time raped.
Now in her mind, it seems rational to stay the fuck out of the city, but most other people understand that it's a shitty coincidence. So yes, in her mind it makes sense, but in the grand scheme of things there's no reason to think something terrible will happen every single time you enter a metropolitan area.
Apples and oranges. I'm talking about a situation where all possible doubt has been removed, this girl still has ample reason to doubt the rationality of her conclusion.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19240970 - 12/07/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: without that "irrational fear" we'd have no "rational things" and we'd still be bleeding, bludgeoning and raping our way through life.
That's a big statement that needs some explanation/proof.
I used to think all religions were really stupid, and mostly caused people to do stupid things.But now I understand that there are lots of things not explained by science, I just choose not to believe in any of these things. Religion can also be helpful for people, some people just have lead a better/happier life with certain belief structures or morals to follow. Also many religions support introspection and viewing one self from an objective stand point which is a great thing, though I know these things can be done without religion I'm positive its less common.
I still think that everyone should question themselves and their believes and not just go along with what they've grown up with, but I don't impose atheism on anyone.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: hecticpicnic]
#19240986 - 12/07/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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alright, lets go back to the beginning of Homo Sapians, and solve this drastic problem with the practical nature of our former selves, from pre-Antiquity.
oh... shit, i misplaced my time machine. damn
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#19241609 - 12/07/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?
The sum of my experiences and the things I have learned in my 41 years on this earth has led me to believe that everything is interconnected, that all is one, that this one is God and that this God is YOU.
That I believe this isnt just in one thing, its in all things combined. Its in the beauty of a dragonfly. Its in science believing there was a big bang, which formed hydrogen, which formed stars, which burned this hydrogen to ashes, which clumped down to form planets and this ashes consolidated to self replicating molecules which inevitably evolved to beings gazing upon and questioning the universe. Its in the knowing smile of an old couples faces after a lifetime of being together, its in the fact that if you think of a word that you havent heard for years intently, it starts popping up all around you in the subsequent weeks. Its in the deep peace that comes over many people right before their death. Its in the way some trees twist every single leaf of their bodioes towards the sun for getting the most exposure it its rays, its in how the diameter of the moon is about 300 times less than that of the sun but its also about 300 times further away, so that during an eclipse the moon fits exactly over the sun without either being significantly smaller or larger, its in the cruel beauty of destruction after the magnificence of creation, its in all the cosmological constants being just right for an universe with stars, planets and humans, a one in a googol chance. It is in big things and little things, in matter, feelings and concepts.
Its in so many things, but not in any particular one more so, but rather in all of them.
Not to be a dick but there are simple scientific explanations for all that.
You're getting all American Beauty on me when really it's just a goddamn bag floating in the breeze.
Wiccan_seeker's intuition is dancing and beautiful.
Your logic and rational reasons are cold and dead.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19241641 - 12/07/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Latin Mass is awesome, almost makes me want to be Catholic!
Lmao it reminds me of the Godfather.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Robo] 2
#19242397 - 12/07/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A sense of community and or social scene, yes some people go to church just for the people.
A guide path for self improvement, for instance some people feel more ground when they go to church and or practice a religion.
Religious freedom, in my country you can practice whatever bat-shit-crazy thing you want and that's plenty fine with me long as I can say whatever I want.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: B0b0]
#19242548 - 12/07/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it doesn't necessarily have to have much to do with the "supernatural" aspects at all. It's a way of surrounding yourself with people who value similar things in life (potentially at least.)
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