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cez

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Gnostic Scripture
#19241630 - 12/07/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a book that holds this stuff Without an authors interpretation of what's going on within the writing? (Other than the original author(s))
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Gnostic Scripture [Re: cez]
#19242105 - 12/07/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which stuff are you referring to, the entire Nag Hammadi Library? www.gnosis.org
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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cez

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I Shroomery post before Google search
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Re: Gnostic Scripture [Re: cez]
#19243668 - 12/08/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: Is there a book that holds this stuff Without an authors interpretation
Haha i used to detest commentaries that would take up more of the book than the original text
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Re: Gnostic Scripture [Re: cez]
#19465009 - 01/23/14 09:44 PM (10 years, 7 days ago) |
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Embrace the Chaos that is the Shroomery Message Boards , it is all about gnosis, these people aren't really trying to make sense, its way too confusing for any real discussion to happen, but you can put a sigil out with good intent and maybe one day, good discussion will actually be had here again, for now I just see a bunch of people trying to seem like really smart psychologists, and then a bunch of people who are trying to seem like the ego, and then a bunch of people who just don't make sense at all, i'm guessing most of these people are actually the same person, or the same group of people, and this is more of a psychological experiment than anything else. or at least, that's the first state of it, but if you call them on it, then, I guess it shows you have some intuition. I think before any of this can really get off the floor, we need some affirmations. We all need to have better self esteem. I have Good Self Esteem, I want everyone to have good self esteem. - Ganesha
Edited by goodmushroom777 (01/23/14 09:49 PM)
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MarkostheGnostic said: Which stuff are you referring to, the entire Nag Hammadi Library? www.gnosis.org
Hey Markos if you ever have the time or feel inclined, I would love to hear your thoughts on the demiurge.
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Re: Gnostic Scripture [Re: Deviate] 1
#19479562 - 01/26/14 11:33 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Which stuff are you referring to, the entire Nag Hammadi Library? www.gnosis.org
Hey Markos if you ever have the time or feel inclined, I would love to hear your thoughts on the demiurge.
He's a big meanie! He's William Blake's Old Nobodaddy, and The Architect in The Matrix trilogy. A lot of Gnostics called him Samael ('Blind God'), or identified him with YHWH, the Creator in the Tenach, or even Satan. While most people assume that YHWH is the same God the Iesous called The Father in the NT, Harold Bloom does a good job in his book Jesus and Yahweh of showing just how different they are! This is exactly what the Gnostics were saying, some of them to the extent that the ambiguous symbol of the serpent became the symbol of Enlightenment (in Hebrew, it reads, "shining one," not serpent, and later in the NT it was identified with Lucifer which in Latin means 'light bearer,' just as Phosphorus does in Greek), not evil. The serpent for some Gnostics who said that Adam and Eve would NOT surely die if they ate of the "fruit of knowledge of good and evil," was being truthful. Oh, leaving Eden meant death, but Eden is symbolic for unconsciousness from a Jungian perspective. Eden was The Great Round, the Great Mother, the Unconscious from which consciousness needed to be born. YHWH had trapped pure spirit in matter, and now the quest for the Pleroma (Fullness) was on. Iesous was the Teacher who appeared to show The Way in much Gnostic myth.
The Matrix was 'creation' and the sky and sun which Neo and Trinity saw in their hovercraft was the Reality relative to the illusions of The Matrix, a modern Gnostic myth. Of course Neo is an anagram for One, and Trinity means three, so there are God-Goddess symbols in them, like the Divine Name Elohim which is what God is called in genesis Before he creates. Then his Name becomes YHWH. Elohim is a plural name - a masculine beginning and a feminine ending conjoined. Neo and Trinity are in Love, which is the Real Reality, the true God. The Architect (Demiurgic and Satanic) tries to annihilate this Reality. In 16 iterations of The Matrix (like the number of personality types in the MBTI or the 16PF personality tests), The Architect cannot conquer Love. His syzygy, The Oracle (there are all these pairs in Gnosticism, just as in mythology) reach an agreement of some sort, but since Zion has been destroyed 16 other times, there really are no human beings left, only the Demiurge and his Oracle, and the Reality of Love.
I like the modern Gnostic myth of The Matrix. I hope it doesn't seem off-topic. The thing about Gnosticism (generally) as opposed to Neo-Platonism or Kabbalism, is that creation is evil. The Neo-Platonist Plotinus attacked the Gnostics for their alleged aversion to life in the world. Some Gnostics were ascetics, but others were libertines and indulged themselves sexually and perversely (like the Carpocratians who took semen and menses for bread and wine), or the historical MarkostheGnostic who had a penchant for beautiful women. These Gnostics did not consider YHWH to be Satan. Neither do I. I believe in love, but I also find the horrors of creation to be fairly unbearable: the slaughter of animals, genocide, eco-pollution, greed, hate, exploitation, cruelty, slavery in all its forms, etc. Part of me wants to flee this world so I compromised by not procreating. This is huge metaphysically in most faiths. It's the one cause FOR transmigration in Judaism. It violates Catholic obligations, and to a lesser extent Orthodox and Protestant Christianity, although the commandment of God to our primal parents is violated. I have refused to "be fruitful and multiply." This can be seen as a rebellion against God in his Demiurgic role as a deity who entraps spirits in human bodies. On the other hand, a human birth is blessed in Buddhism, if only because it is the realm from which we can pursue Liberation from this wheel of becoming, i.e., creation. I hope I'm more blessed than damned.
Edited by MarkostheGnostic (01/26/14 11:38 PM)
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