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Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics
    #19241013 - 12/07/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The subject says it all...


These are my trays as of today, they have been in their SGFC for 8 days now and I still haven't seen any sign of pins beginning to form. Is this NORMAL? Im getting nervous. This is my first grow and its gone so well till now. Would hate to have a fail this far into it.  :um:

Can you guys give me your opinion on whats going on?


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19241042 - 12/07/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Tell us more.

What substrate did you use? Did you mix it or layer it? How long ago did you spawn them?


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19241045 - 12/07/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a total noob friend, so this is not expert advice at all, but they may not have been fully colonized when you put them in there, or maybe they're not getting enough light or FAE.  From what i've read they're the triggers that get them pinning.
Also, it doesn't look like there's anything wrong, so i'd just be patient and wait it out.  Hopefully someone else will chime in and help you out...all I can do is cross my fingers for ya...good luck!!


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: 1down5up]
    #19241056 - 12/07/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm a total noob friend, so this is not expert advice at all, but they may not have been fully colonized when you put them in there, or maybe they're not getting enough light or FAE.  From what i've read they're the triggers that get them pinning.
Also, it doesn't look like there's anything wrong, so i'd just be patient and wait it out.  Hopefully someone else will chime in and help you out...all I can do is cross my fingers for ya...good luck!!



Evaporation of water and depleting nutrients are the main pinning triggers.

Also, knowing what he used and how he used it is what's important here. What, when and how.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241078 - 12/07/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

seems you cased with jiffy mix..all looks well..just wait moar :thumbup:


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Josh.0]
    #19241106 - 12/07/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wuts your misting/fanning like?


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: cronicr]
    #19241126 - 12/07/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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seems you cased with jiffy mix..all looks well..just wait moar :thumbup:



Yeah that's my thought as well.

I bulk, not case but usually it would take around 14 days in the fc(put in after 100% colonized) before pinning started.


If you cased it, the casing layer wouldn't be colonized and the myc will typically peek through.
Like so;

Waiting. I know it's a drag.
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wuts your misting/fanning like?



Look at the chamber. I doubt those are a concern.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241140 - 12/07/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Two grow bags, each with 2 lbs of sterilized, hydrated rye with self healing injector sites.

Day 19 after inoculation with a B+ MS syringe:


Both bags were cased with a pasteurized 50/50+ mix and introduced to fruiting conditions the same day. I used RR's tek for my SGFC design.  Im using two of them, each with about 5 inches of damp perlite in the bottom and holes every 2x2 inches on all sides.

I cased a total of 4qts of fully colonized rye with 6qts  50/50+ mix. 1/4in of mix, 1qt of spawn, topped of with 3/4in of mix per tray.

I've been misting and fanning about 4 times a day. The substrate is noticeably dry just before misting, i spray the walls of the their SGFC and mist the tray until the casing looks to be at field capacity, then I fan immediately after to help promote the evaporation process.

Those particular pictures were taken right after a good misting.

Heres a look at the setup:

1 modification after the pic: there is a 2 in strip across without plastic on the top to get better air flow.

Day 3 in FC:


Day 5 in FC:
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Hope you guys can have a better idea with this info


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241155 - 12/07/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How long ago did you spawn them?




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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241223 - 12/07/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How long ago did you spawn them?



Hmmm, sorry if i am misunderstanding...
When you say "spawn" you mean it as in a verb, like "spawning" the 100% colonized rye to a bulk sub like coir/ver, or hpoo? I didnt "spawn" to anything. I simply cased the fully colonized rye with a 50/50+ mix. Then put the 4 trays into their SGFC right away. They have been in their FC for 7 or 8 days now.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19241284 - 12/07/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wait moar.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: 1down5up]
    #19241292 - 12/07/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm a total noob friend, so this is not expert advice at all, but they may not have been fully colonized when you put them in there, or maybe they're not getting enough light or FAE.  From what i've read they're the triggers that get them pinning.



Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19241294 - 12/07/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To spawn is to use a colonized substrate (typically grain spawn) and "spawn" it to your bulking or casing substrate. Whatever that may be.

People usually cover the top with vented foil (slits in it) for a week or two to allow the spawn to recoop and get a hold of it's new substrate. You could be three weeks from a pin. Do some research on casing consolidation.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241309 - 12/07/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do some research on casing consolidation.



We do not consolidate our casing layers, and bulk substrate does not require consolidation, you can fruit right at 100%.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: PussyFart]
    #19241320 - 12/07/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do some research on casing consolidation.



We do not consolidate our casing layers, and bulk substrate does not require consolidation, you can fruit right at 100%.



Isn't consolidating "waiting to be 100% colonized" Which obviously casing layers shouldn't 100% (lack of nutrients)

My vocabulary isn't like it used to be :P


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241322 - 12/07/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

WAITING SUCKS!:stoned2: This is my first grow, so you could imagine how anxious I am to see some results!


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241327 - 12/07/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do some research on casing consolidation.



We do not consolidate our casing layers, and bulk substrate does not require consolidation, you can fruit right at 100%.



Isn't consolidating "waiting to be 100% colonized"

My vocabulary isn't like it used to be :P




Nope. Consolidating is letting it sit for a while after 100% colonization.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241330 - 12/07/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Look at the chamber. I doubt those are a concern.




i ask because the growth almost looks off and he stated he's misting till it appears to be at field capacity, may be too wet:shrug:


i always get nice rhizzo growth out of my casing layers




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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: cronicr]
    #19241338 - 12/07/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:awetongue:


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19241384 - 12/07/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do some research on casing consolidation.



We do not consolidate our casing layers, and bulk substrate does not require consolidation, you can fruit right at 100%.



Isn't consolidating "waiting to be 100% colonized"

My vocabulary isn't like it used to be :P




Nope. Consolidating is letting it sit for a while after 100% colonization.



:whathesaid:

Consolidation is the act of the mycellium digesting the highly nutritious substrate it has colonized.


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    #19241386 - 12/07/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:laugh2:


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    #19241391 - 12/07/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Consolidation is the act of the mycellium digesting the highly nutritious substrate it has colonized.



Which triggers pinning due to depleting nutrients


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: PussyFart]
    #19241455 - 12/07/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay guys,
This thread is getting a little off topic...

Just so i get this straight: I have done nothing wrong up to this point. Time is the only thing im waiting on. Correct?


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    #19241457 - 12/07/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Correct


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241463 - 12/07/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Consolidation is the act of the mycellium digesting the highly nutritious substrate it has colonized.



Which triggers pinning due to depleting nutrients



Digesting and depleting are 2 different things....and I have not read a single thing that says depleting nutrients triggers pinning.


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    #19241467 - 12/07/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Correct



Thank you kind sir.  :stoned:


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    #19241474 - 12/07/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Digesting and depleting are 2 different things....and I have not read a single thing that says depleting nutrients triggers pinning.





I've heard it many times.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241484 - 12/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Link me....I don't use the search function for people anymore.....


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    #19241495 - 12/07/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

de·ple·tion  (d-plshn)
n.
1. The act or process of depleting.
2. The state of being depleted; exhaustion.
3. The use or consumption of a resource, especially a natural resource, faster than it is replenished.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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di·ges·tion  (d-jschn, d-)
n.
1. Physiology
a. The process by which food is converted into substances that can be absorbed and assimilated by the body. It is accomplished in the alimentary canal by the mechanical and enzymatic breakdown of foods into simpler chemical compounds.
b. The result of this process.
c. The ability to digest food.
2. The process of decomposing organic matter in sewage by bacteria.
3. Assimilation of ideas or information; understanding.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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How can something that has no nutrients produce anything?


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    #19241502 - 12/07/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Use it for yourself. I'm just stating the info is available. I've learnt this from threads I have participated in. And I'm certain I'm not alone on this.

So you prove it to yourself. Tis all.

Thanks for the vocab lessons. :hippie:


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241526 - 12/07/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Use it for yourself. I'm just stating the info is available.



Ok.....

Quote:

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Consolidation is the phase where the mycelium consumes part or most of the substrate after colonizing it.  It will substantially increase the quality and quantity of the future harvests.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17906811#17906811

I found nothing on depletion of the nutrients in the substrate triggering pinning.

By definition, pins would have to already have been triggered in order to deplete all the nutrients, so I have no idea what you think I need to prove.

This is dumb.


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    #19241546 - 12/07/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This is dumb.




Ahh no. I'll message you maybe tomorrow with my point. Obviously it isn't clear at this moment.

Back away from consolidation and digestion. And be open minded. I enjoy friendly debates, not condescending conversations. Till then, good night.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241553 - 12/07/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What was condescending?

I gave you textbook definitions and a quote from a trusted cultivator.

When your car is depleted of gas does it go?

When you are depleted of energy do you keep working?

When the earth is depleted of it's resources will there be more?

No, because the definition of the word depletion means there is none left.....


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    #19241565 - 12/07/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:rolleyes:


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    #19241571 - 12/07/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Look at you. Mild jack-ass behavior. You are being very condescending and I will not play into it. Chill out and I'll debate with you tomorrow. I promise I'm not talking out of my ass. Sorry for the lack of clarity and I apologize for derailing the thread.


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    #19241590 - 12/07/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:bonghit: cant we all just smoke a bong guys :heart:


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241592 - 12/07/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Look at you. Mild jack-ass behavior. Chill out and I'll debate with you tomorrow.



Bro, I am chill...I was not saying any of this in a rude or condescending tone.

There is no debate....you cannot prove that depletion of nutrients triggers pinning....it just makes no logical sense, no matter how open minded someone is.

Please do not PM me on this topic as I most likely will not respond....prove what you have to prove here, where it matters, since you brought it up here.

You can do this tomorrow, or in a week if that's how you feel....and do not worry about derailing a thread....I beleive OPs questions have all been answered.


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    #19241633 - 12/07/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You can rely on a trusted cultivator but you shouldn't depend on what they say so much.

You haven't disproven me with those quotes and textbook definitions. Especially while I'm postponing my prof so your contradictions seem immature. I offered to supply my evidence when I can do so (not tonight). So turn the chill up a bit more.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Icesyn]
    #19241639 - 12/07/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19260805 - 12/11/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Patience sir.
8 days waiting on pins is okay. My last mono took more than two weeks to start pinning after 100% colonization. When it started pinning it blew up though. Now the second pin set is coming in and looks almost as good as the first.
If you are getting nervous because your timeline is behind that of one of the many TC'S, don't be!
They have been doing this a while and have probably isolated aggressive, potent cultures.
Yours will more than likely come, as long as they don't smell funny.


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Re: Day 8 No PINS?! HQ pics [Re: PussyFart]
    #19260821 - 12/11/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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