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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19238297 - 12/06/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: so freedom isn't really freedom then. ok, well, good to know.
Freedom isn't free. It costs $1.05
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There are no rational reasons to believe such nonsense.
It all boils down to childhood/cultural indoctrination and fear of persecution and it holds us back as a species.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Quawonk]
#19239647 - 12/07/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I notice god/spirit in all living creatures
and within myself and nature
nature is sacred
love and bliss, and I dont subscribe to any particular religion but I notice many religions are pretty similar in many ways
religion rarely teaches to hate, only mans thoughts do
not everything can be taught rationally, you have to experience gods love for yourself to believe
muslims believe in the unseen creator, Allah who they worship by treating others as themselves allah is in all
karma you could say if you treat others/any living creature badly it will bite you in the end, subconsciously if you always do your best to make others happy it is almost impossible to be unhappy
mostly the same for buddhism,christianity etc.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2] 1
#19239687 - 12/07/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?
The sum of my experiences and the things I have learned in my 41 years on this earth has led me to believe that everything is interconnected, that all is one, that this one is God and that this God is YOU.
That I believe this isnt just in one thing, its in all things combined. Its in the beauty of a dragonfly. Its in science believing there was a big bang, which formed hydrogen, which formed stars, which burned this hydrogen to ashes, which clumped down to form planets and this ashes consolidated to self replicating molecules which inevitably evolved to beings gazing upon and questioning the universe. Its in the knowing smile of an old couples faces after a lifetime of being together, its in the fact that if you think of a word that you havent heard for years intently, it starts popping up all around you in the subsequent weeks. Its in the deep peace that comes over many people right before their death. Its in the way some trees twist every single leaf of their bodioes towards the sun for getting the most exposure it its rays, its in how the diameter of the moon is about 300 times less than that of the sun but its also about 300 times further away, so that during an eclipse the moon fits exactly over the sun without either being significantly smaller or larger, its in the cruel beauty of destruction after the magnificence of creation, its in all the cosmological constants being just right for an universe with stars, planets and humans, a one in a googol chance. It is in big things and little things, in matter, feelings and concepts.
Its in so many things, but not in any particular one more so, but rather in all of them.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Asante]
#19239730 - 12/07/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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good description^
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19239817 - 12/07/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: not true. beliefs overshadow everything we've built in society thus far.
before science, we had religion, and before that we had theosophy.
all from the mind. none from the reality, we attempt to interpret.
Of course, but the leap from "god did it" to where we are now is pretty goddamn significant.
THAT is the problem.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Asante]
#19240080 - 12/07/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?
The sum of my experiences and the things I have learned in my 41 years on this earth has led me to believe that everything is interconnected, that all is one, that this one is God and that this God is YOU.
That I believe this isnt just in one thing, its in all things combined. Its in the beauty of a dragonfly. Its in science believing there was a big bang, which formed hydrogen, which formed stars, which burned this hydrogen to ashes, which clumped down to form planets and this ashes consolidated to self replicating molecules which inevitably evolved to beings gazing upon and questioning the universe. Its in the knowing smile of an old couples faces after a lifetime of being together, its in the fact that if you think of a word that you havent heard for years intently, it starts popping up all around you in the subsequent weeks. Its in the deep peace that comes over many people right before their death. Its in the way some trees twist every single leaf of their bodioes towards the sun for getting the most exposure it its rays, its in how the diameter of the moon is about 300 times less than that of the sun but its also about 300 times further away, so that during an eclipse the moon fits exactly over the sun without either being significantly smaller or larger, its in the cruel beauty of destruction after the magnificence of creation, its in all the cosmological constants being just right for an universe with stars, planets and humans, a one in a googol chance. It is in big things and little things, in matter, feelings and concepts.
Its in so many things, but not in any particular one more so, but rather in all of them.
Not to be a dick but there are simple scientific explanations for all that.
You're getting all American Beauty on me when really it's just a goddamn bag floating in the breeze.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#19240155 - 12/07/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to be a dick but there are simple scientific explanations for all that.
Uhuh there are.
Love is just neurotransmitters playing up You are nothing but a chemical. Life is a guise of entropy.
See? Now its all explained. Dont you love the simplicity of these explanations? Catches the whole essence of what it is, the rest is just sentimentality.
Explanations are just the rational part of the mind trying to get a grasp on things in an attempt to use it to its advantage, to make a tool out of a perceived trend.
Rationality is a stranger to emotion and is the enemy of wonder, and tries to dispel a sense of wonder whenever it threatens to manifest itself. Thing is it doesnt make the universe any less miraculous, it just stuffs a sock in your sense of awe.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Asante]
#19240223 - 12/07/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
Not to be a dick but there are simple scientific explanations for all that.
Uhuh there are.
Love is just neurotransmitters playing up You are nothing but a chemical. Life is a guise of entropy.
See? Now its all explained. Dont you love the simplicity of these explanations? Catches the whole essence of what it is, the rest is just sentimentality.
Explanations are just the rational part of the mind trying to get a grasp on things in an attempt to use it to its advantage, to make a tool out of a perceived trend.
Rationality is a stranger to emotion and is the enemy of wonder, and tries to dispel a sense of wonder whenever it threatens to manifest itself. Thing is it doesnt make the universe any less miraculous, it just stuffs a sock in your sense of awe.
I guess the simplicity gives me a sense of awe
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240232 - 12/07/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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to each his own.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Asante] 1
#19240236 - 12/07/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
Not to be a dick but there are simple scientific explanations for all that.
Uhuh there are.
Love is just neurotransmitters playing up You are nothing but a chemical. Life is a guise of entropy.
See? Now its all explained. Dont you love the simplicity of these explanations? Catches the whole essence of what it is, the rest is just sentimentality.
Explanations are just the rational part of the mind trying to get a grasp on things in an attempt to use it to its advantage, to make a tool out of a perceived trend.
Rationality is a stranger to emotion and is the enemy of wonder, and tries to dispel a sense of wonder whenever it threatens to manifest itself. Thing is it doesnt make the universe any less miraculous, it just stuffs a sock in your sense of awe.
So, what you're saying is that you don't like what science says about your life and life and the universe in general... So you reject it. That is the opposite of rational.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: koods]
#19240243 - 12/07/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no, he's just saying that the sagest advice and contemplation can be reserved for one's own believes in what's important in this life; just like one's most rational advice and practicality can be reserved for their's.
you know... without bumping heads and arguing all the time about how we feel the other should feel about feelings and thoughts.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: koods]
#19240250 - 12/07/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, what you're saying is that you don't like what science says about your life and life and the universe in general... So you reject it.
If you know me from other posts science and me are peas in a pod, I just not crown reductionist explanations as king of my universe.
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That is the opposite of rational.
Its a really bad thing to want to be rational in all things, the only thing that accomplishes is that sociopaths will have less trouble understanding you.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Asante]
#19240260 - 12/07/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest man.
if logic and reason are the God's that you follow, then you'll drown in your soul's emptiness.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Asante]
#19240264 - 12/07/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, what you're saying is that you don't like what science says about your life and life and the universe in general... So you reject it.
If you know me from other posts science and me are peas in a pod, I just not crown reductionist explanations as king of my universe.
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That is the opposite of rational.
Its a really bad thing to want to be rational in all things, the only thing that accomplishes is that sociopaths will have less trouble understanding you.
OP wanted rational reasons.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240266 - 12/07/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're getting all American Beauty on me when really it's just a goddamn bag floating in the breeze.
HAHAHA you just made my fucking day.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: koods]
#19240411 - 12/07/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: OP wanted rational reasons.
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Cojo said: There are none.
Actually, there's one: your own personal experience leads you to the undeniable conclusion that [insert deity name here] exists, beyond all doubt.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#19240477 - 12/07/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: OP wanted rational reasons.
I answered, but no one listened:
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shivas.wisdom said:
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Cojo said: There are none.
Actually, there's one: your own personal experience leads you to the undeniable conclusion that [insert deity name here] exists, beyond all doubt.

That's called faith, not rationale.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240489 - 12/07/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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faith can be rationale, it's just generally accepted as not a very good rationale.
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19240506 - 12/07/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought that the 'beyond all doubt' part would preempt any attempt to explain it off as faith. One can draw rational conclusions from subjective information, without the need to rely on faith--other than, perhaps, faith that the mind is indeed a rational tool.
If you woke up one day and something identified itself as 'God' to you, and then proceeded to verify this to you--perhaps by performing miracles on the spot, or whatever your mind would need to soothe it's doubt--would it not then be rational to believe in this 'God'? I'm not commenting on the liklihood of this happening, but RP requested a rational reason to believe in a deity.
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