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Chilvary Enslaves Women
    #19230297 - 12/05/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The notion that in society men are the protectors of women is based on the sexist notion that men are evil beings who are intent on harming women; it is also based on the sexist notion that women are incapable of managing their own affairs.

It is a strange concept because on the one hand is classifies men as protectors which would imply men are good but the people women would need protecting from would be men and thus the concept also implies men are evil. The concept itself is a paradox.

Another word for protector is guardian. The term guardian is used to describe the responsibility an adult has over a child. Thus in a society where men are deemed the protectors of women the result is is that women are seen as like children. In such a situation women are the wards of men and men have burdens and responsibilities placed on them that are disproportionate and unfair.

Women are not weak. And as a man this does not make me a womans keeper. Women are responsible for their own well being and they are perfectly capable of it.

The truth about women is that most women support patriarchy and that most of them do this because most women are intellectually lazy and want men to figure everything out for them. What matters though is not what the majority of women want, what matters is what is right. Even though the majority of women want patriarchy that does not mean it is right because a patriarchal system is oppressive to both men and women.

Furthermore it does not do women any good for men to be enablers of their intellectual laziness.

I am not saying men should never protect women and I am not saying women should never protect men and I am not saying people of the same geneder should never protect each other. What I am saying is that it is a bad idea for there to be a formalized role in society where men are seen as the protectors of women and women are seen as weak and where this is also based on gender stereotyping. This is called chivalry and chivalry enslaves women and it encourages weakness in them.

In societies based on chivalry men are very destructive towards one another. Chivalry is simply possessiveness in the mask of altruism, it is competition in the mask of altruism. A chivalrous man is a treacherous one who is not a brother to other men.


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: lines]
    #19230375 - 12/05/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, I watch 'Nikita.' :awesomenod:


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: lines] * 1
    #19230385 - 12/05/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think your definition of chivalry may be misunderstood.  its basically kindness/respect for women, not protection.  you gotta think about when this term was made popular and how in the medieval times how soldiers would "rape and pillage"... it was an honor code to not do that.  it was a sense of restraint and understanding that women aren't just things to fuck.

what societies are based on chivalrous men?


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: lines] * 1
    #19230466 - 12/05/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Women have always relied on men for physical protection by woman's choice.  That's pretty natural.  And the fact is that women are physically weak and without the protection of males would be very vulnerable to predation.  The fact that a protective culture makes some of that null and void really doesn't change it. Women know that it is by the grace of chance and their expert maneuvering that men are not as necessary for personal protection at this time in history. That could all change in a moment and I think they instinctively know that.


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19230726 - 12/05/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey, I watch 'Nikita.' :awesomenod:




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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Icelander]
    #19230788 - 12/05/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Women have always relied on men for physical protection by woman's choice.  That's pretty natural.  And the fact is that women are physically weak and without the protection of males would be very vulnerable to predation.  The fact that a protective culture makes some of that null and void really doesn't change it. Women know that it is by the grace of chance and their expert maneuvering that men are not as necessary for personal protection at this time in history. That could all change in a moment and I think they instinctively know that.



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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Allisterem]
    #19231919 - 12/05/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

when you are not a woman, what makes you talk about them negatively ??

what makes you say a different conscious life inferior and negative ?? else can never be inferior nor negative.. because negative inferiority is out of subjective wills and life, so never objective fact

when women cant possess nor kill men, then judging women is from being liars meaning to suggest true values abuse as a way of being up

in truth, gender divisions do not exist.. truth is free conscious existence out of absolute clarity, while it is known that genders were meant for animals beings that cant be conscious nor free

in truth, objective and subjective freedom is the same thing, right superiority or superior rights

through humanity life, it became clear that women are the superior beings, as women showed caring about a lot of things, and do what they have to do consciously.. when men are still meaning everything as nothing, but to have fun inventing new war games and anything they could pretend creating it

metaphysically, right man, is the conscious that would act in respect to objective values, knowing what it means of being less then anything, because everything is present right, the value of being constant, superiority..to nothing conscious perspective could be 

right woman, is the freedom that would act alone through nothing, knowing the value of being right, the value of not being, positive freedom out of superior ends sources

this shows how in true existence, individuals are of both facts and conscious realizations .. while in the world they are the reverse, which prove how all existence is through evil powerful life

forcing such divisions to be is to mean all in lies

individual, cant mean objective existing value without being right about something alone at the back being a free objective means and wills

also, someone cannot mean being himself right sources, but through being conscious of all else present rights ...

true individual is a human conscious freedom, and not a gender


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: lines]
    #19232228 - 12/05/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what society is free of chivalry?


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Icelander]
    #19235291 - 12/06/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Women have always relied on men for physical protection by woman's choice.  That's pretty natural.  And the fact is that women are physically weak and without the protection of males would be very vulnerable to predation.  The fact that a protective culture makes some of that null and void really doesn't change it. Women know that it is by the grace of chance and their expert maneuvering that men are not as necessary for personal protection at this time in history. That could all change in a moment and I think they instinctively know that.




disagree, brute force is not a factor in the governance of most of society :tongue:


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: lines]
    #19235301 - 12/06/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

generally agree op :thumbup:

i always wonder if the women at my work appreciate being let out of the lifts first. on the one hand it is like 'we recognize as men we are douches & sorry' but on the other it is like 'you are the guests in this place of ours' and also it encourages gender distinctions so idk:shrug2:


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: quinn]
    #19235305 - 12/06/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

one thing i like about hipsters is gender seems more blurred.. (too bad lines has me on nignore :frown:)


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: quinn]
    #19235370 - 12/06/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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quinn said:
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Icelander said:
Women have always relied on men for physical protection by woman's choice.  That's pretty natural.  And the fact is that women are physically weak and without the protection of males would be very vulnerable to predation.  The fact that a protective culture makes some of that null and void really doesn't change it. Women know that it is by the grace of chance and their expert maneuvering that men are not as necessary for personal protection at this time in history. That could all change in a moment and I think they instinctively know that.




disagree, brute force is not a factor in the governance of most of society :tongue:




Then why have police and security guards?


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Icelander]
    #19236536 - 12/06/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

for the exceptions.. people should not expect physical confrontation in most circumstances.. and as op said women could handle it, a small taser'd do the trick :yesnod:


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: quinn] * 1
    #19237061 - 12/06/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You're dreaming.  As a martial arts teacher I learned quickly that women don't have the self confidence to defend themselves most of the time. By the time they retrieved the taser from a pocket and realized they really would have to use it, it would be far too late.

Very few people, men or women realize what self defense really entails.


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: lines]
    #19237138 - 12/06/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The notion that in society men are the protectors of women is based on the sexist notion that men are evil beings who are intent on harming women; it is also based on the sexist notion that women are incapable of managing their own affairs.

It is a strange concept because on the one hand is classifies men as protectors which would imply men are good but the people women would need protecting from would be men and thus the concept also implies men are evil. The concept itself is a paradox.

Another word for protector is guardian. The term guardian is used to describe the responsibility an adult has over a child. Thus in a society where men are deemed the protectors of women the result is is that women are seen as like children. In such a situation women are the wards of men and men have burdens and responsibilities placed on them that are disproportionate and unfair.

Women are not weak. And as a man this does not make me a womans keeper. Women are responsible for their own well being and they are perfectly capable of it.

The truth about women is that most women support patriarchy and that most of them do this because most women are intellectually lazy and want men to figure everything out for them. What matters though is not what the majority of women want, what matters is what is right. Even though the majority of women want patriarchy that does not mean it is right because a patriarchal system is oppressive to both men and women.

Furthermore it does not do women any good for men to be enablers of their intellectual laziness.

I am not saying men should never protect women and I am not saying women should never protect men and I am not saying people of the same geneder should never protect each other. What I am saying is that it is a bad idea for there to be a formalized role in society where men are seen as the protectors of women and women are seen as weak and where this is also based on gender stereotyping. This is called chivalry and chivalry enslaves women and it encourages weakness in them.

In societies based on chivalry men are very destructive towards one another. Chivalry is simply possessiveness in the mask of altruism, it is competition in the mask of altruism. A chivalrous man is a treacherous one who is not a brother to other men.




Not following you here.





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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Icelander]
    #19238812 - 12/06/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

attributing to them inherent physical inferiority and dependance on men is not going to do much for their confidence :shrug2:

ime force is not something that governs most relationships outside of the odd drunkard or thug and they shouldnt be too hard to avoid really


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: quinn]
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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19239424 - 12/07/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

women represents freedom in truth, free existence constant end means ... teaching them to defend themselves would break freedom so the fact in truth, while objectively it would mean giving life to what is never true, like positive identities ends in abusing true existence rights of facts ...

men failed to mean representing freedom rights protections, that would start by supporting and respecting right what is already free before meaning themselves freedom rights existence too .. ladies first as the adage goes..because women are out of everything relatively free first

then men are inherently evil beings what women are only relative to from what they are only themselves out of all
women do things alone for them, where men are planning to take control of everything rights, so do always deformations to nothing they also abuse to get anything from, as if out of nothing they can reach to act free, liars..

I think that would mean how future is to kill men kind and humans kind would be only out of women individuals beings rights

when you enjoy making wars, it is your positive will sense of being, it proves the evil you are who is taking advantage of negative fact, so would reach by existing to be negative sources so it could justify being him the free through objective negative inferiority life of all...

while the fact that it is your positive sense to manage conflicts confrontations, as a positive sense,  say how far you cannot ever care about anyone suffer or being through negative condition, so how far you cant ever be representant of infinite intelligence to free constant objective realities ways, when existence is true, so definitely objectively free


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: quinn]
    #19239630 - 12/07/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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attributing to them inherent physical inferiority and dependance on men is not going to do much for their confidence :shrug2:

ime force is not something that governs most relationships outside of the odd drunkard or thug and they shouldnt be too hard to avoid really





I'm not concerned about their confidence levels. I have myself to worry about. But you do make my point quite well thanks.

You seem to have little understanding of the male female dynamics.


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Re: Chilvary Enslaves Women [Re: Icelander]
    #19239737 - 12/07/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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