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Growing operation. Opinions wanted
    #19239728 - 12/07/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is my setup particularly because I don't want anyone to know I have it. We have gatherings here and well a plain blue storage container looks much better than a clear one with a zillion holes in it and mushrooms in plain site. The setup is a large tub with several large holes in the back drilled in for anything to escape that wishes to do so. There is about an inch and a half or so of water at the bottom along with a submersible mat heater for fish tanks and a large bubble wand for constant air which also has some pretty decent LED lights attached to it. The cakes are suspended another two or so inches above the water sitting on a modified cookie cooling rack then the cakes are on a square of aluminum foil. I plan on changing the water every week and wiping down the container at the same time with alcohol just to keep the germs down. I mist and fan still about 2-3 times per day. If I had other living situations (another free room in the house) I would simply do a SGFC but thinking of keeping it a private matter I chose this chamber design. Any problems with it? OR anyone have A better idea. Here are some pictures of how everything is going at the moment.

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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19239787 - 12/07/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Only one way to find out if it'll work. I wouldn't have drilled any holes since you're using a bubbler. The positive pressure from the air pump will push the air out through the seams of the lid anyway, same as a poor mans pod.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: FooMan]
    #19239926 - 12/07/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't bother wiping the sides down with alcohol, just a waste.  Cakes are already in the air, not much germs are gping to be kept away, they are fine tho.  Mist and fan multiple times a day and just wait!


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: BillNyeScienceGuy]
    #19242246 - 12/07/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wanted as much early advice as possible. Before things would get out of hand. But I figured I was decent. I appreciate everyone's insight and look forward to hearing more.

Only one person has voted. The vote was to give up.
Everyone vote or comment please. Like I said before any input would greatly be appreciated.

I still plan on changing water and maybe instead of alcohol just a clean rag might suffice to wipe the walls down.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19242330 - 12/07/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just do a mono-tub in your bedroom or closet (if it is big enough and you have a fan to move the air in the closet)


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: magickspore]
    #19242794 - 12/07/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That sounds super elaborate. You could stuff a monotub under your bed, if you have a way of doing grain spawn. I've heard that some people crumble and case cakes; I don't know how/if that works very well. One of the under-the-bed sort of tubs should work. One of my most successful grows involved stuffing my tub under a bed for a week because I was on vacation and had no other recourse. Not ideal, but the results were crazy. Another thing I've done in the past: stuck a tub with an air pump and aquarium light on a timer in a media cabinet. You can use a strategically placed towel to keep the light from shining out of the cabinet doors. The cords hanging out the hole in the back aren't suspicious-looking. What is your environment that you have to work with? Maybe we can macgyver you a fairly low-maintenance solution. If you want.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19244113 - 12/08/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I  am enjoying the work that involved with my current system. I was merely looking for flaws in the setup. Nobody has given any insight onto why I should change.

Here are the cakes as of today. If I can keep what I have and it works
I will continue.



The yes and no votes are even. A lot of votes on give up. Well I am going to go until it fails.

They smell really good and almost refreshing. I know its weird but they have like a pure smell.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19244668 - 12/08/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The tub in tub is an outdated incubation method not for fruiting. Also with the TIT you will have 1 chamber with many variables you will have to watch. (over heating, water level the heater is in, etc.)
With the mono-tub you will have 2 fruiting chambers (assuming you bought 2 for your TIT.) You also have much less to worry about. Just mist and fan (in that order) a couple times a day until you get it dialed in. Then it is just set and forget till harvest.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19245250 - 12/08/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This poll contains no STAL option, which may account for why you're not getting a lot of responses.

Anyway, you probably don't need the heater unless it's really cold in your house. You won't need to wipe down the tank with alcohol, either. Pearlite would've been simpler than the cookie rack thing, and could possibly retain more water. The light/air setup thing seems like a good solution. Try to keep disturbing them to a minimum.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: magickspore]
    #19246348 - 12/08/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is only one container. They were incubated in my dresser drawer within a bag.

What is the STAL option?

The heater maintains the internal tub temp 70-75 degrees with a high of 80 (times I don't get to mist and fan right away)and I wonder what would happen if I didn't have the heater on. I have a ceiling fan in my room and I have the heater vent closed with the door to my room constantly closed. So it stays nice and chilly for good sleeping for me.


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19246782 - 12/08/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

STAL=Sir Tokes-A-Lot. A long time ago in a forum far, far away, someone decided that one of the choices (preferably last) of every poll had to be "I am Sir Tokes-A-Lot", otherwise it doesn't count. I don't know the whole story on it myself, but I think it had something to do with the trolls in OTD. My understanding is that Sir Tokes-A-Lot bitched about polls, and voting for the STAL option is akin to crapping out/not giving a shit. However, I have a suspicion that if you're super new and post a poll with the STAL option, everyone may think you're a tool, so maybe it's for the best.

Shrooms will do fine at room temperature, around 70 degrees--you don't have to keep them warm unless it gets cold at your place, though they do seem to enjoy the heat. What you've got going on sounds like a good temperature for fruiting.:thumbup: Recently, I had a tub in which one side was closer to the heating unit in the room, and all the shrooms grew on that side until I flipped it around. Tell us how it goes. :grin:


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19254393 - 12/10/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)




This is one whole week into the fruiting chamber. I hope all is well. Considering this is the first time growing.

Insight is still valued.

Thanks all


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19254519 - 12/10/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

looking good


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: cronicr]
    #19257233 - 12/10/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looks good.

If you're leaving stagnant water in the bottom of it, I would at least add a few mls of hydrogen peroxide to the water.:mushroom2:


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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19267057 - 12/12/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Took some pictures took as planned.. But I didn't expect to find discoloration in my cakes. They seem to be dehydrated and are bruising it looks like. I am not an expert but I have done enough research to make the judgment call that these guys are just a little  thirsty. Also the lack of proper FAE could contribute. I made a SGFC and I feel better already. I have some other good news. I have pins!! I took pictures of them as well.

As usual I value everyone's input and look forward to hearing from all of you very soon.



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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19267733 - 12/12/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19267772 - 12/12/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Took some pictures took as planned.. But I didn't expect to find discoloration in my cakes. They seem to be dehydrated and are bruising it looks like. I am not an expert but I have done enough research to make the judgment call that these guys are just a little  thirsty. Also the lack of proper FAE could contribute. I made a SGFC and I feel better already:thumbup::thumbup:. I have some other good news. I have pins!! I took pictures of them as well.

As usual I value everyone's input and look forward to hearing from all of you very soon.






looks like you need some more perlite in there. I say 4-6 inches but 6 is better

why do you think there's a lack of FAE?
does your SGFC have holes on all 6 sides 1/4" spaces two inches apart?
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Fruiting Chamber
A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.
This is what can happen if you make your SGFC the right way.
Here's what will happen if you do it the wrong way. You'll likely rage quit.

Misting and Fanning.
This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.

FAE
This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.

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Fanning is not a replacement for constant FAE.

You would need to fan several times per hour.



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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19268336 - 12/12/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No the FAE was due to the old FC and the new FC is built exact to spec.

I just measured and I have exactly four inches of perlite.

Thanks all for the input!!


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    #19293005 - 12/18/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I picked all of these today because of no veil. I read somewhere that if you over mist you will get fruits and aborts with no veil. I still have some cakes with healthy pins that I intend on harvesting. When I changed the FC I think it put the cakes in shock. Now that the cakes are accustomed to the new chamber I am getting normal pins. I just don't know what to do about these guys. It is ten grams of wet fruit body and as you can see all of the caps are curved up.



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Re: Growing operation. Opinions wanted [Re: IrishGrenade82]
    #19293047 - 12/18/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They should still be good to eat.


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