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List of Chakras.
    #19239489 - 12/07/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Now, a lot of people aren't very familiar with Chakras, and how to charge them and unblock them to achieve top notch body mind and spirit health.
Now, you can either eat foods of the color of the Chakra you want to balance, or put yourself around colors, or acquire stones of the color and keep them close to the Chakra in your body.

CHAKRA

LOCATION

COLOUR

FUNCTION

PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS
1ST
(Base/Root)

Base of Spine

Red, Brown
& Black

Our grounding energy centre. Covers sexual vitality & reproductive organs

Problems in the hips, legs, lower back and sexual organs
2ND
(Sacral)

Below the Navel

Orange

Relationships and social interactions with others. Lower Intestines & Digestive system.

Kidney weakness, stiff lower back, constipation and muscle spasms.
3RD
(Slar Plexus)

Just below breastbone

Yellow

Emotional balance. Physically; stomach and liver area

Digestive & liver problems, diabetes, nervous exhaustion and food allergies
4TH
(Heart)

Centre of the Chest

Green & Pink

Love Centre, controls unconditional feeling and thoughts. Responsible for the heart, circulatory and respiratory systems.

Heart attack, high blood pressure, insomnia and difficulty breathing.
5TH
(Throat)

Neck; above the collar bone

Blue

Encourages communication. Responsible for thymus and thyroid glands.

Hyperthyroid, skin irritations, sore throat, inflammations and back pain.
6TH
(Third Eye)

Centred above the eyebrows

Indigo

The psychic energy centre this chakra governs our senses.

Headaches, blurred vision, blindness and eyestrain.
7TH
(Crown)

Top of the Head

Violet, Clear
or White

Spiritual gateway. Our higher self. Responsible for our head and nervous system.

Migraine, Headaches & Depression

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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: pokitman]
    #19239501 - 12/07/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is helpful, your format is a bit messy though, had a hard time reading it.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: pokitman]
    #19239860 - 12/07/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pokitman (or anyone else who cares to reply):  In your opinion, who or what in the universe is responsible for establishing such a complicated array or system, as described in the opening post?

I mean no offense, but when I see something like that I intuitively question the enormous complexity of it.  I mean, why would nature or God or the universe or whatever designate colors and body locations and health aspects and tie them together like that?  To what end? 

If you believe in a mischievous god or gods who rejoices in that sort of thing, that would be a valid answer in my opinion.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with it, but if that's what you believe, that's cool.

Just curious.

Why, in your estimation, would the natural order of things be so fantastically involved and esoteric and complicated like that?


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: pokitman] * 1
    #19240410 - 12/07/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You probably do not really want feedback from me. However, It's up you to "achieve top notch body mind and spirit health" first, before you splatter incoherent Yogic descriptions on a site with literally thousands of chakra posts already archived. Perhaps after you've read John Woodruff's The Serpent Power and compared it with Lama Govinda's Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism, or even just discovered Ken Keyes Handbook for Higher Consciousness and shared how it's helped you understand chakra psychology somewhat, you might then be in a position to teach on the subject. :shrug: You asked.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19240524 - 12/07/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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...on a site with literally thousands of chakra posts already archived.



That's a pretty despicable thing to say on this or any other internet board.

Are you demanding "originality," Markos?

Have not your words and your thoughts already been expressed a thousand times on this board, in a thousand threads?


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: all this beauty]
    #19241143 - 12/07/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Despicable?" Really? He's asking for feedback, and you obviously don't like criticism, even when it's not directed at you. He invited "feedback" and my feedback is a criticism of the content. The information he laid out is far from clear or accurate. Chakra psychology is very old and complicated. He's spread out some New Age variation while espousing things at the bottom of the page that is way out in left field, has no basis in the classic literature, Hindu or Buddhist, and which smacks of sympathetic magick (eating foods with colors that correspond to the colors he associated with chakras). He is interested, but clearly has not read the classic stuff, so I directed him to the two most comprehensive books in English about the subject. I also directed him to a layman's text that gives a sound introduction without the difficulty of classical material.

I don't know you, or whether you're a college graduate, but there is nothing "despicable" about my directives to acquire some authenticity and intellectual rigor about what he is writing about. Maybe it doesn't bug you when you hear people who try to teach before they learn. Maybe you don't know the difference in this case. Maybe you think correction is mean, harsh, or rude. Maybe you think I'm being arrogant. :shrug: Regardless. Go wag your finger elsewhere. :nono:


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19241368 - 12/07/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe you think I'm being arrogant.



Well at least you got that part right.  Lol.

Your point seemed to be that the subject of chakras had been thoroughly explored in other threads, and that his post added nothing new to the discussion.

Stop being an "intellectual bully," friend.  This ain't a college exam we got goin' here.  People are free to repeat themselves and add nothing new to the discussion, as they please.

I repeat myself all the time.  So do you.  If "originality" were a requirement for posting, no internet forum I know of would stay in business for more than three months.

Among all the internet bullies out there (and there are many), "intellectual bullies" are surely among the most obnoxious.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19241445 - 12/07/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
You probably do not really want feedback from me. However, It's up you to "achieve top notch body mind and spirit health" first, before you splatter incoherent Yogic descriptions on a site with literally thousands of chakra posts already archived. Perhaps after you've read John Woodruff's The Serpent Power and compared it with Lama Govinda's Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism, or even just discovered Ken Keyes Handbook for Higher Consciousness and shared how it's helped you understand chakra psychology somewhat, you might then be in a position to teach on the subject. :shrug: You asked.




Good recommendations. :thumbup: You recommended me Govinda's book a few years back and it is excellent... very deep into the stuff.

Currently, I view Chakras as useful metaphors. I think it is useful to have something to solidify intent and attention when working towards a certain goal. i.e, working to "open ones heart"


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: all this beauty]
    #19241796 - 12/07/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This "ain't a college exam we got going here," but some of us are college educated, and at least one of us has taught college and graduate school. If you don't value intellectual integrity, that's your issue, but I don't think coddling everyone on the site regardless of what they say is helping them, helping the integrity of the forum, or expressing personal personal integrity. You fail to see that the issue is NOT originality, the issue is inaccurate or fabricated material versus established knowledge. Maybe some well-intentioned but naive individual will decide to eat foods that only corresponds to colors of chakras that he comes to believe will open those chakras. I don't know, but what I DO know is that people are frequently desperate for guidance, and many are too young and gullible to realize that they're committing to nonsense or worse.

I will inquire of, and apologize to the OP, based upon your sensitivity, but certainly not to you. Intellectual integrity has nothing to do with bullying. I have taken a stand against New Age deception, and people sometimes require criticism in order to snap out of their entranced fascination with nonsense.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: pokitman]
    #19241838 - 12/07/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pokitman -

all this beauty insists that I have insulted you. If I have been unduly harsh in my criticism of your post, I apologize. When one invites "feedback," however, positive affirmations should not necessarily be expected from everyone. I still take issue with the content you have attributed to the chakras, and my directing you to those books, as well as my advice to familiarize yourself with this subject, outside of New Age sources, still stands. No attack on you was intended. :peace:


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19242393 - 12/07/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I sometimes wonder if it wasn't for the exoteric bullshit, if these old systems of psychology would not have been forgotten about altogether... For example, would anyone even be thinking about tarot today if it wasn't for divination? Maybe superstitious belief is a requisite for esoteric knowledge to survive :shrug:.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19242746 - 12/07/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I do not view myself as superstitious, it's just that I recognize that systems can be built upon correspondences, like Jung's Synchronicity, and before his identification, the 64 hexagram system of the I Ching, the correspondences of medieval ceremonial magick between earthly minerals, colors, metals, plants and celestial astrological/astronomical positions of the planets. I trust that the ancients observed such correspondences, just as much as I trust that the Neolithic Druids who built Stonehenge KNEW exactly what they were doing, and could predict astronomical events, and perhaps those astronomical events were integral to the magick that such astronomical configurations allowed. Since I do not think I am unique, just part of a minority in modernity, I do not think that superstition is necessary, in fact, I think superstition (which should be utterly discarded) contaminates the pursuit of esoteric knowledge.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19242896 - 12/07/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wasn't implying that you are superstitious, perhaps you misunderstood.  I was asking if you think the old sages who wrote such texts ever suspected their information would fall into insane incoherence because of corrupted translation, unconscious and deliberate falsification, rote duplication of symbols which have lost their precision, etc.?

If they "KNEW" exactly what they were doing,  wouldn't they have planned for the tides of history to wash out their meaning, for the semantic meanings to become outdated, or errors made in transmission?  Did they not think about what would happen once their information was integrated into mainstream pop culture?  That it would be taught in authoritarian, rote fashion and lose its experimental meaning, or that errors would be repeated and repeated, bound into texts and bibles, uncritically passed down from teacher and student for generations?  That what would ultimately reach the majority of us in the 21st century would be superficial, fuzzy, vulgarized crap on a new age shelf in Barnes & Noble?

I do think that I Ching, Tarot, Chakras, Cabalistic alphabets, biblical epics, etc. are important, if for no other reason than the wisest philosophers of the past used them to pass on their discoveries about psychological processes.  Thus far, however, it comes with a cost of an overwhelming amount of superstition and misinformation.  I sometimes think that's an intrinsic part of the package, as it almost certainly won't be going away in the foreseeable future.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19243583 - 12/08/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for all the feedback. I will be looking more in to chakras, and I have been as we speak. my list of chakras was something I just came across recently and was excited to share it with anyone who was curious to the subject. again, thanks :smile:


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19243952 - 12/08/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I will inquire of, and apologize to the OP, based upon your sensitivity, but certainly not to you. Intellectual integrity has nothing to do with bullying. I have taken a stand against New Age deception, and people sometimes require criticism in order to snap out of their entranced fascination with nonsense.



Your follow-up to the OP is very admirable, Markos.  Kudos to you.

If you've been reading any of my crap in this forum, you know that I, too, regard most New Age stuff as hocus-pocus supernatural nonsense.  Same with "chakras" and "chi" and all manner of voodoo-like silliness. 

I like to have my beliefs challenged and I like to challenge the beliefs of others.  The vigorous testing of ideas is one way we evolve individually and as a species.

But all are free to express their beliefs.  After all, they're only "beliefs."  None of us can "prove" any of what we believe spiritually and/or metaphysically.  All of us are only guessing.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19243976 - 12/08/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I sometimes wonder if it wasn't for the exoteric bullshit, if these old systems of psychology would not have been forgotten about altogether... For example, would anyone even be thinking about tarot today if it wasn't for divination? Maybe superstitious belief is a requisite for esoteric knowledge to survive :shrug:.




I don't know.

In high school I used to feel vibrating and buzzing on my forehead and I immediately began drawn to concentrating and focusing my attention on it, which pleasantly made it increase. Additionally, one time back then I took mushrooms and proceeded to leave my friends house to chill in my car, smoke some weed, and focus solely on my breath as I felt a blissful pressure accumulate in my head.

I was unaware of the concept of chakras back then and without the framework that I discovered and read about online many years later, those experiences may have been the extent of my conscious experience with chakras.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: NastyDHL]
    #19245511 - 12/08/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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CosmicJoke said:
I sometimes wonder if it wasn't for the exoteric bullshit, if these old systems of psychology would not have been forgotten about altogether... For example, would anyone even be thinking about tarot today if it wasn't for divination? Maybe superstitious belief is a requisite for esoteric knowledge to survive :shrug:.




I don't know.

In high school I used to feel vibrating and buzzing on my forehead and I immediately began drawn to concentrating and focusing my attention on it, which pleasantly made it increase. Additionally, one time back then I took mushrooms and proceeded to leave my friends house to chill in my car, smoke some weed, and focus solely on my breath as I felt a blissful pressure accumulate in my head.

I was unaware of the concept of chakras back then and without the framework that I discovered and read about online many years later, those experiences may have been the extent of my conscious experience with chakras.




While that's a nice anecdote about you exploring your mind-body connection, it has nothing to do with my quote.  I was thinking along the line that at various times the 'psychologists' of antiquity were forced to conceal their discoveries in coded language.  At times, tarot cards have been banned, texts have been burned by authorities.  Maybe less subversive practices like divination (fortune-telling) were created intentionally for the system to survive... or maybe because people are just stupid. :shrug: :stoned:


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19246565 - 12/08/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, I didn't think you were saying that I was superstitious. But no matter who much insight comes through an individual, there is no accounting for how future generations are going to process it. I was first jolted out of my science mind-set as a freshman in college, taking my first philosophy course in per-Socratic philosophers. Dull-witted scientific materialists from as early as the 19th century might thing that Thales philosopher of Water was just primitive nonsense. But again, post-modern materialist are equally dull-witted when they think that the "waters" in the Genesis account are also referring to Dihydrogen monoxide, liquid H2O. The ancients were not thinking scientifically and for us to understand what they meant, we need to understand how they thought, and they thought mythically, metaphorically, midrashically, and metaphysically.

Not only that, some of the most revered writers from antiquity, were clearly mistaken about the historical significance of their understanding. Saint Paul, told early followers of The Way not to marry, for example, but conceded it was 'better to marry than to burn [i.e., with desire]," because he believed the End of Time (or End Times) were immanent. They were not. In fact, as Eckhart Tolle suggested, quite correctly I think, Jesus' teachings about the kingdom of God were completely misunderstood by Paul and therefore all of Christendom, with rare exception. Christians are awaiting a historical event of mythic proportion - the End of Time to come with the trumpeting of angels and apocalyptic terrors. I prefer Tolle's, which is the Gnostic understanding, that one Realizes pure Being as soon as the egoic mind is stilled. But in the course of history, look what happened to all the 'heretics' who understood the End of Time as a subjective condition, and not as a series of theophanies. The multitudes are superstitious in the extreme.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19262838 - 12/11/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why should I believe that chakras are anything other than a fabrication of the mind?


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    #19264589 - 12/12/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why should I believe that chakras are anything other than a fabrication of the mind?



Thank you.  Always refreshing to encounter a discerning mind.

Believers in chakras have incredibly detailed belief systems.  Check out the OP.  Colors, body parts, specific physical and emotional aliments.

It's ludicrous -- laughable beyond words -- to believe that chakras are real in light of the fact that in 2013 the world's best and brightest scientists can not empirically establish a tad of evidence that they're for real.

Somewhat off-topic, but related -- I also sense that "acupuncture" is, objectively speaking, a bunch of bogus crap.

That it works for some (some insurance plans even cover it) is no indicator that it's "real."  "Faith healing" also works for some.

The ability of the mind to influence the body is well established.


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    #19265641 - 12/12/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"Despicable?" Really? He's asking for feedback, and you obviously don't like criticism, even when it's not directed at you. He invited "feedback" and my feedback is a criticism of the content. The information he laid out is far from clear or accurate. Chakra psychology is very old and complicated. He's spread out some New Age variation while espousing things at the bottom of the page that is way out in left field, has no basis in the classic literature, Hindu or Buddhist, and which smacks of sympathetic magick (eating foods with colors that correspond to the colors he associated with chakras). He is interested, but clearly has not read the classic stuff, so I directed him to the two most comprehensive books in English about the subject. I also directed him to a layman's text that gives a sound introduction without the difficulty of classical material.

I don't know you, or whether you're a college graduate, but there is nothing "despicable" about my directives to acquire some authenticity and intellectual rigor about what he is writing about. Maybe it doesn't bug you when you hear people who try to teach before they learn. Maybe you don't know the difference in this case. Maybe you think correction is mean, harsh, or rude. Maybe you think I'm being arrogant. :shrug: Regardless. Go wag your finger elsewhere. :nono:





I'm just glad someone said it so I didn't have to. If you're ever interested there is a forum I frequent that discusses these sorts of topics vigorously while maintaining a pretty solid level of scholarly discipline (in other words, you can't just pull something out of your ass and not expect someone to not ask you to cite sources).

We don't have many individuals who study Hindusim there so I'm always on the look out.

Kind of sad that my first thought when seeing this was "Wow, another new age Westerner who didn't even bother to actually learn the chakra names."

"Root Chakra" indeed. Nothing like the fresh smell of cultural appropriation in the morning.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: all this beauty]
    #19268115 - 12/12/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why should I believe that chakras are anything other than a fabrication of the mind?



Thank you.  Always refreshing to encounter a discerning mind.

Believers in chakras have incredibly detailed belief systems.  Check out the OP.  Colors, body parts, specific physical and emotional aliments.

It's ludicrous -- laughable beyond words -- to believe that chakras are real in light of the fact that in 2013 the world's best and brightest scientists can not empirically establish a tad of evidence that they're for real.

Somewhat off-topic, but related -- I also sense that "acupuncture" is, objectively speaking, a bunch of bogus crap.

That it works for some (some insurance plans even cover it) is no indicator that it's "real."  "Faith healing" also works for some.

The ability of the mind to influence the body is well established.





Since I basically had it free with my insurance for several years so I gave acupuncture a pretty good trial for several health issues acute and chronic.  Maybe a good 40 sessions or more by several practioners.  I noticed nothing. :sad:  Even chiropractic worked better than that. :lol:


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: all this beauty]
    #19268308 - 12/12/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why should I believe that chakras are anything other than a fabrication of the mind?




It's ludicrous -- laughable beyond words -- to believe that chakras are real in light of the fact that in 2013 the world's best and brightest scientists can not empirically establish a tad of evidence that they're for real.




I disagree.

When I practice meditation I don't focus on the so called chakra's, I focus on my endocrine glands.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: Psychaesthetics]
    #19270047 - 12/13/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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When I practice meditation I don't focus on the so called chakra's, I focus on my endocrine glands.



Whatever works for ya, bro.

In my opinion, there is no -- zero -- magical or mysterious connection between body parts and spiritual awareness.  Endocrine glands included.

I don't know what gives rise to consciousness and/or the spiritual heights, but it ain't no freakin' "endocrine gland."


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: all this beauty]
    #19272996 - 12/13/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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When I practice meditation I don't focus on the so called chakra's, I focus on my endocrine glands.



Whatever works for ya, bro.

In my opinion, there is no -- zero -- magical or mysterious connection between body parts and spiritual awareness.  Endocrine glands included.

I don't know what gives rise to consciousness and/or the spiritual heights, but it ain't no freakin' "endocrine gland."




I really don't know what you refer to as magical/mysterious.

Why is there gravity? Why is there photosynthesis? Why do we have a central nervous system or endocrine glands?

All i'm trying to say is that there is so much yet to discover about this place we're in, and especially the human body.

To me this entire reality can be labeled as magical/mysterious and when people speak of chakras I interpret them as the endocrine system.

Im not gonna go into too much depth but I can voluntarily secrete epinephrine into my bloodstream with focus, a sensation in my legs that I go through each time I meditate, my pupils dilate, my blood pressure rises and I feel energised for a few moments, this can be referred to as 'Muladhara' or root chakra, but I like to simply call it my adrenals, and I assume this is known as the opening/stimulation of that 'chakra'.

Ancient civilisations were already onto the endocrine system, I don't think its spiritual purpose can be neglected simply because scientists have not discovered a link between these glands and.. what you call magic?


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: Psychaesthetics]
    #19273769 - 12/14/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Im not gonna go into too much depth but I can voluntarily secrete epinephrine into my bloodstream with focus, a sensation in my legs that I go through each time I meditate, my pupils dilate, my blood pressure rises and I feel energised for a few moments, this can be referred to as 'Muladhara' or root chakra, but I like to simply call it my adrenals, and I assume this is known as the opening/stimulation of the root chakra.

Ancient civilisations were already onto the endocrine system, I don't think its spiritual purpose can be neglected simply because scientists have not discovered a link between these glands and.. what you call magic?



Good, reasoned post.  Guys like you make it hard for guys like me to make our case.  lol :wink: 

Experience trumps theory, always.  It sounds like you're on to something.  I sense you're posting in good faith, from the heart, and aren't interested in bullshitting me or anyone else.

I don't doubt that practice of the various Eastern energy arts yields excellent results for many practitioners.  There are too many practitioners, like you, who attest to that, from the heart.

What I question is the objective reality of the energy arts.  My powers of intuition inform me that there is no objective reality / link between the human endocrine system and spirituality.  I trust my intuitions.  I trust the human ability to discern. 

I also trust science.  As suggested in other posts, the "debate" here could be ended, overnight, with empirical findings conclusively establishing the kind of links you're suggesting.  Were this to happen, the world would change overnight.  All the science textbooks would have to be rewritten.  All the major world religions would need to consider the implications for their dogmas.

Scientists can explain gravity and photosynthesis.  Yes, they're mysterious -- but they can be demonstrated in the laboratory. 

In my opinion, in 2013, it's magical thinking to believe in the objective reality of the energy arts absent even the slightest bit of scientific confirmation.


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: all this beauty]
    #19276603 - 12/14/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What I question is the objective reality of the energy arts.  My powers of intuition inform me that there is no objective reality / link between the human endocrine system and spirituality.  I trust my intuitions.  I trust the human ability to discern.



This does depend on what spirituality means to you and what you associate it with, which I think can be anything we perceive, completely depending on how we perceive it, including the endocrine system.

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I also trust science.  As suggested in other posts, the "debate" here could be ended, overnight, with empirical findings conclusively establishing the kind of links you're suggesting.  Were this to happen, the world would change overnight.  All the science textbooks would have to be rewritten.  All the major world religions would need to consider the implications for their dogmas.



I, too, believe that science is a rational viewpoint, although I think a lot of meaning has ambiguated over long periods of time because of these discoveries, and perhaps got us sidetracked from the 'bigger picture'. There are a lot of people who disregard anything that is not (yet) backed up by factual evidence, though I think as long as there is no evidence that proves any of those theories wrong, they may very well be another way of looking at our perceivable reality, which is neither right or wrong. Much in nature, if not everything, can be compared in a certain way with one another, which I believe comes down to universal laws.

Science and spirituality do not have to be distinguished from one another, I like to see science as the search for the truth of our existence which any form of religion should be based on.

Reality is the way you perceive it, sometimes it takes going back to the basics in order to make new realisations, and psychedelics seem to have sped this up significantly for me personally.

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Scientists can explain gravity and photosynthesis.  Yes, they're mysterious -- but they can be demonstrated in the laboratory.



That is true but being able to mimic these things does not give a proper explanation for its existence.

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In my opinion, in 2013, it's magical thinking to believe in the objective reality of the energy arts absent even the slightest bit of scientific confirmation.



I have to agree that many people have expectations of spiritual practices that go beyond any probable reason. I don't believe that eating foods of certain colours will make you prone to achieve anything spiritual, though I find this is to be up to the believer. I like to call it superstition that may have some sort of placebo effect, which I think might be helpful in terms of believing and building confidence, the power of the mind is indescribable.

I don't think we can prove eachother right or wrong on this subject, and maybe we never will, but whatever cannot be proven to be true or false only gives rise to more questions which I think makes spirituality AND science most interesting. :pipesmoke:


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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: pokitman]
    #19465063 - 01/23/14 09:52 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

*I've been working on the solar plexus for the past few days

I have good Self Esteem. The People around me have Good Self Esteem. We Want Everyone to have Good Self Esteem.

the solar plexus is great it can almost be seen as a second heart chakra, or a little heart chakra... while solar plexus transforms food to energy heart chakra transforms the psychic feelings of higher chakras to divine love, both are equally important.

Om Gam Ganapataye Namaha

blessings of Ganesha


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