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dionysiandame
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MarkostheGnostic said: "Despicable?" Really? He's asking for feedback, and you obviously don't like criticism, even when it's not directed at you. He invited "feedback" and my feedback is a criticism of the content. The information he laid out is far from clear or accurate. Chakra psychology is very old and complicated. He's spread out some New Age variation while espousing things at the bottom of the page that is way out in left field, has no basis in the classic literature, Hindu or Buddhist, and which smacks of sympathetic magick (eating foods with colors that correspond to the colors he associated with chakras). He is interested, but clearly has not read the classic stuff, so I directed him to the two most comprehensive books in English about the subject. I also directed him to a layman's text that gives a sound introduction without the difficulty of classical material.
I don't know you, or whether you're a college graduate, but there is nothing "despicable" about my directives to acquire some authenticity and intellectual rigor about what he is writing about. Maybe it doesn't bug you when you hear people who try to teach before they learn. Maybe you don't know the difference in this case. Maybe you think correction is mean, harsh, or rude. Maybe you think I'm being arrogant. Regardless. Go wag your finger elsewhere. 
I'm just glad someone said it so I didn't have to. If you're ever interested there is a forum I frequent that discusses these sorts of topics vigorously while maintaining a pretty solid level of scholarly discipline (in other words, you can't just pull something out of your ass and not expect someone to not ask you to cite sources).
We don't have many individuals who study Hindusim there so I'm always on the look out.
Kind of sad that my first thought when seeing this was "Wow, another new age Westerner who didn't even bother to actually learn the chakra names."
"Root Chakra" indeed. Nothing like the fresh smell of cultural appropriation in the morning.
-------------------- He (Dionysos) keeps me with all of his other pretty things for I am just another pretty thing in a long list of acquisitions. Yes! And their brains are releasing adrenaline, dopamine, even dimethyltryptamine from the pineal gland! This has serious educational value! Thanatophobia and this N.D.E. is giving us euphoric altered awareness! Don't you see, Princess? We were all born to die! – Finn the Human Pay me what you owe me. Don't act like you forgot. BBHMM.
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Icelander
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Thecrimson said: Why should I believe that chakras are anything other than a fabrication of the mind?
Thank you. Always refreshing to encounter a discerning mind.
Believers in chakras have incredibly detailed belief systems. Check out the OP. Colors, body parts, specific physical and emotional aliments.
It's ludicrous -- laughable beyond words -- to believe that chakras are real in light of the fact that in 2013 the world's best and brightest scientists can not empirically establish a tad of evidence that they're for real.
Somewhat off-topic, but related -- I also sense that "acupuncture" is, objectively speaking, a bunch of bogus crap.
That it works for some (some insurance plans even cover it) is no indicator that it's "real." "Faith healing" also works for some.
The ability of the mind to influence the body is well established.
Since I basically had it free with my insurance for several years so I gave acupuncture a pretty good trial for several health issues acute and chronic. Maybe a good 40 sessions or more by several practioners. I noticed nothing. Even chiropractic worked better than that.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Psychaesthetics
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all this beauty said:
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Thecrimson said: Why should I believe that chakras are anything other than a fabrication of the mind?
It's ludicrous -- laughable beyond words -- to believe that chakras are real in light of the fact that in 2013 the world's best and brightest scientists can not empirically establish a tad of evidence that they're for real.
I disagree.
When I practice meditation I don't focus on the so called chakra's, I focus on my endocrine glands.
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all this beauty
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Psychaesthetics said: When I practice meditation I don't focus on the so called chakra's, I focus on my endocrine glands.
Whatever works for ya, bro.
In my opinion, there is no -- zero -- magical or mysterious connection between body parts and spiritual awareness. Endocrine glands included.
I don't know what gives rise to consciousness and/or the spiritual heights, but it ain't no freakin' "endocrine gland."
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Psychaesthetics
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Psychaesthetics said: When I practice meditation I don't focus on the so called chakra's, I focus on my endocrine glands.
Whatever works for ya, bro.
In my opinion, there is no -- zero -- magical or mysterious connection between body parts and spiritual awareness. Endocrine glands included.
I don't know what gives rise to consciousness and/or the spiritual heights, but it ain't no freakin' "endocrine gland."
I really don't know what you refer to as magical/mysterious.
Why is there gravity? Why is there photosynthesis? Why do we have a central nervous system or endocrine glands?
All i'm trying to say is that there is so much yet to discover about this place we're in, and especially the human body.
To me this entire reality can be labeled as magical/mysterious and when people speak of chakras I interpret them as the endocrine system.
Im not gonna go into too much depth but I can voluntarily secrete epinephrine into my bloodstream with focus, a sensation in my legs that I go through each time I meditate, my pupils dilate, my blood pressure rises and I feel energised for a few moments, this can be referred to as 'Muladhara' or root chakra, but I like to simply call it my adrenals, and I assume this is known as the opening/stimulation of that 'chakra'.
Ancient civilisations were already onto the endocrine system, I don't think its spiritual purpose can be neglected simply because scientists have not discovered a link between these glands and.. what you call magic?
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all this beauty
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Psychaesthetics said: Im not gonna go into too much depth but I can voluntarily secrete epinephrine into my bloodstream with focus, a sensation in my legs that I go through each time I meditate, my pupils dilate, my blood pressure rises and I feel energised for a few moments, this can be referred to as 'Muladhara' or root chakra, but I like to simply call it my adrenals, and I assume this is known as the opening/stimulation of the root chakra.
Ancient civilisations were already onto the endocrine system, I don't think its spiritual purpose can be neglected simply because scientists have not discovered a link between these glands and.. what you call magic?
Good, reasoned post. Guys like you make it hard for guys like me to make our case. lol
Experience trumps theory, always. It sounds like you're on to something. I sense you're posting in good faith, from the heart, and aren't interested in bullshitting me or anyone else.
I don't doubt that practice of the various Eastern energy arts yields excellent results for many practitioners. There are too many practitioners, like you, who attest to that, from the heart.
What I question is the objective reality of the energy arts. My powers of intuition inform me that there is no objective reality / link between the human endocrine system and spirituality. I trust my intuitions. I trust the human ability to discern.
I also trust science. As suggested in other posts, the "debate" here could be ended, overnight, with empirical findings conclusively establishing the kind of links you're suggesting. Were this to happen, the world would change overnight. All the science textbooks would have to be rewritten. All the major world religions would need to consider the implications for their dogmas.
Scientists can explain gravity and photosynthesis. Yes, they're mysterious -- but they can be demonstrated in the laboratory.
In my opinion, in 2013, it's magical thinking to believe in the objective reality of the energy arts absent even the slightest bit of scientific confirmation.
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Psychaesthetics
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all this beauty said: What I question is the objective reality of the energy arts. My powers of intuition inform me that there is no objective reality / link between the human endocrine system and spirituality. I trust my intuitions. I trust the human ability to discern.
This does depend on what spirituality means to you and what you associate it with, which I think can be anything we perceive, completely depending on how we perceive it, including the endocrine system.
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all this beauty said: I also trust science. As suggested in other posts, the "debate" here could be ended, overnight, with empirical findings conclusively establishing the kind of links you're suggesting. Were this to happen, the world would change overnight. All the science textbooks would have to be rewritten. All the major world religions would need to consider the implications for their dogmas.
I, too, believe that science is a rational viewpoint, although I think a lot of meaning has ambiguated over long periods of time because of these discoveries, and perhaps got us sidetracked from the 'bigger picture'. There are a lot of people who disregard anything that is not (yet) backed up by factual evidence, though I think as long as there is no evidence that proves any of those theories wrong, they may very well be another way of looking at our perceivable reality, which is neither right or wrong. Much in nature, if not everything, can be compared in a certain way with one another, which I believe comes down to universal laws.
Science and spirituality do not have to be distinguished from one another, I like to see science as the search for the truth of our existence which any form of religion should be based on.
Reality is the way you perceive it, sometimes it takes going back to the basics in order to make new realisations, and psychedelics seem to have sped this up significantly for me personally.
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all this beauty said: Scientists can explain gravity and photosynthesis. Yes, they're mysterious -- but they can be demonstrated in the laboratory.
That is true but being able to mimic these things does not give a proper explanation for its existence.
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all this beauty said: In my opinion, in 2013, it's magical thinking to believe in the objective reality of the energy arts absent even the slightest bit of scientific confirmation.
I have to agree that many people have expectations of spiritual practices that go beyond any probable reason. I don't believe that eating foods of certain colours will make you prone to achieve anything spiritual, though I find this is to be up to the believer. I like to call it superstition that may have some sort of placebo effect, which I think might be helpful in terms of believing and building confidence, the power of the mind is indescribable.
I don't think we can prove eachother right or wrong on this subject, and maybe we never will, but whatever cannot be proven to be true or false only gives rise to more questions which I think makes spirituality AND science most interesting.
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Edited by Psychaesthetics (12/14/13 10:06 PM)
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goodmushroom777
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Re: List of Chakras. [Re: pokitman]
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*I've been working on the solar plexus for the past few days
I have good Self Esteem. The People around me have Good Self Esteem. We Want Everyone to have Good Self Esteem.
the solar plexus is great it can almost be seen as a second heart chakra, or a little heart chakra... while solar plexus transforms food to energy heart chakra transforms the psychic feelings of higher chakras to divine love, both are equally important.
Om Gam Ganapataye Namaha
blessings of Ganesha
Edited by goodmushroom777 (01/23/14 09:53 PM)
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