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evileye001
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the different effects of different species
#19239316 - 12/07/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so iv decided to make this post in order to make a all in one place where anyone can come to to see the difference between different species of active mushrooms. not different strains of psilocybe cubensis *cubes* but different species.
i saw this post from a trusted member of our community.
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psilocybinjunkie said: South African Transkei's are quite different and much better than every other cubensis i've tried. Haven't gotten into Pans yet, wood lovers aren't on my agenda at all. Liberty Caps are suppose to be a very relaxing trip.
and i never new there were substantial different effects from different species of shrooms. after a bit of search i couldent find more then bits and pieces of info on how different species affect your trip. i would like for all experienced shroomeriets to name the species they have tried, cubes included, include the slang and scientific name (if you can) of the species that you have tried and post your experience and opinion of them. including... visual, mental, body load, duration, potency, anxiety, euphoria exc... any thing you found substantially different from psilocybe cubensis.
yes all active shrooms contain Psylocybin and psilocin as active ingredients. but it seems all experienced trippers agree that different species and sometimes even different strains can have different affects so if you wish to say they are all the same please refrain from posting.
dump your knowledge here.
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Edited by evileye001 (12/07/13 01:27 AM)
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: evileye001]
#19239638 - 12/07/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Liberty Caps are suppose to be a very relaxing trip.
In my experience libs are a lot more intense than Cubensis. They seem to grab you by the scruff of the neck and throw you in at the deep end.
They are obviously stronger gram for gram than cubes, but even still they have an added rawness to them.
They only other shrooms I have had are Mazatapec- Mexican Cubensis. I found them to be rather relaxing in comparison to standard cubes.
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: banjofraz]
#19239703 - 12/07/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMHO any difference is completely subjective not including potency variants.
mind over matter.
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: bishlap]
#19239763 - 12/07/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could very well be right.. Maybe if we knew more about the active alkaloids we would have an idea of whats going on
For example psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin come in varying levels in different species Cubensis has very little baeocystin on average while semilanceata has has a high value, seen here >>> http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml We know very little about this third alkaloid And there could be some other subtle alkaloids in the mix
Its a damn shame governing bodies came along and prohibited mushrooms just as we were breaking the surface of these mysterious molecules
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: banjofraz]
#19239772 - 12/07/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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baeocystin isnt present in every species but yes little is known of this molecule.
psilocybin is metabolized in to psilocin and that's what you trip on, the availability may slightly change onset or something but your tripping on the same thing regardless of what you take.
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: bishlap]
#19239813 - 12/07/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes good point Funny how psilocybin gets all the credit while technically it is psilocin you trip on
I feel that if someone set up a blind experiment where I was separately administered semilanceata, cubensis and non active for the control, I would 9 times out of 10 be able to distinguish between libs and cubes. To me they really are that different, and I have experienced both fairly equally, about half a dozen times each.
Honest question bishlap, have you eaten semilanceata? I favour them over cubensis, not just for their effects, but also aesthetically, how they taste etc
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: banjofraz]
#19240040 - 12/07/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Could it just be down to the amount of mush matter you've injested? I can see cubes giving more of a 'body load' just by processing the mush material and likewise it might be more wavey and uneven as it takes longer to break down. They feel distinctly different, yet even different psychedelics, eg lsd and mushrooms, feel very similar once you're well into the trip.
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evileye001
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: krypto2000]
#19242316 - 12/07/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bump.
good stuff so far.
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: evileye001]
#19242412 - 12/07/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybe cyanescens have a HUGE body load for me. I wouldn't want to dose above 1g again personally, my muscles felt SO weak I was having trouble walking around - never again man.
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evileye001
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: Acidreamer]
#19242630 - 12/07/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Acidreamer said: Psilocybe cyanescens have a HUGE body load for me. I wouldn't want to dose above 1g again personally, my muscles felt SO weak I was having trouble walking around - never again man.
witch ones would you suggest and why?
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: evileye001]
#19242836 - 12/07/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've only had Cubes and Cyans soooo, cubes are preferable to me. I still wanna try libs though. I imagine azurescens would have a similar bodyload to the cyans.
Cubes ftw
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: Acidreamer]
#19243405 - 12/08/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A cube is a cube, unless its penis envy. I have done several brf, and wheat berry/coir bulk grows with these. And all I can say is WOW, what a strain! :-)
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: mico-padawan]
#19244559 - 12/08/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard azures are the worst for body load/bad trip, might have something to do with beocystin. The opinion seems to be cyans and azures are 'bad' (in that regard) or all mushrooms are the same (cube or otherwise), but I've never heard anyone say non cubes give a better trip short of simply having to eat less which might affect nausea.
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: krypto2000]
#19278529 - 12/15/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Saving for later plan on taking pan cyans soon
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: evileye001]
#19278778 - 12/15/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe Transkei's are cubes, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: the different effects of different species [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19278848 - 12/15/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm positive the other alkaloids present in mushrooms besides psilocin alter the trip (baeocystin, norbaeocystin). I would guarantee they are active by themselves and I've for years suggested they're responsible for some of the dreamy effects. this is what I notice differently between species. some feel more 'dissociative' at onset and peak than others, that's the best way I can describe it. body load on the other hand I would attribute to set/setting, digestion, what have you. many of the more obscure / rarely-eaten species I don't think have had their alkaloids isolated.
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