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Jumping into the hobby too fast. (Failure w/ pics!)
#19239176 - 12/07/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello everyone, my name is Camtaro420.
This is a story about how I was a dumba$$ who rushed into things too quickly. while I used awesome teks, I did NOT follow them to the letter as many post's suggested that I do. Waiting, and patience is key. I lost 6 jars, a spore syringe, and about 4 days worth of time that could have been better spent doing it the right way. This is on top of the fact that all my supplies for growing could have been cheaper if I had researched a little harder and asked for advice before I started growing. This thread shall be the first and end of my failures. From here forth I will be taking the advice from the pro's. Thanks to everyone so far who has helped.
The rest is a good read and lesson if you're willing to take the time.
This is a journal of my first grow and will hopefully be a long time guide for many newbs looking for a one stop thread that will get them on track to growing some awesome cubes in no time. I am sure that this thread is rather redundant seeing as there are just so many posts that have the similar info, but just to be fair, many of them are outdated, pictures are missing or not there at all, the information is not consolidated, etc.
So let me go over some of the things I'll be discussing;
- Mid Grade Level Grow Guide: I say mid grade because it isn't cheap. I spent at least 250ish for EVERYTHING, but I mean everything, I had nothing to make mushrooms with at home except for 1 box cutter and a power drill which are 2 of the more likely things you might have around the home. It's also not nearly as expensive as some of the builds you could be doing if you wanted a large pressure cooker and some shotgun chambers or something.
- Tek's I will be using: Grocery Store Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Innoc Tek, RR Simple Fruiting Chamber Tek, Etc.
- Shopping list for EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY NEED TO GROW: This means jars for agar culture and colonizing, ingredients for BRF Tek, A glove box for safe inoculation, A fruiting chamber for flushes, other misc items you will/should need and of course your spore syringe. Also what these things look like and where you will be most likely to find them.
- Other little things that you might have forgotten or was curious about: The main reason I made this thread, was because I couldn't find all the info I needed in a timely manner or easily for that matter.
So let's get to it.
First we should go over Items for purchasing. Now like I said this is a from scratch grow list so we will pretty much cover everything. The only Items I had that was needed was a power drill and a box cutter, so I spent upwards of 250$ USD. Some people say you could grow with around 80$, but I just don't see how that is possible unless you are really going bare bones and high risk for contamination.
You should find or purchase something for cooking sterilization. Now it took me some time before I made my final decision, and in the end I decided against a pressure cook. For one - they are too freaking expensive. Two - they seem like you need to have them in perfect working condition along with having to watch really closely for them to not break your instruments and work right. And Three - They are kinda overkill from what I can see, oh and did I mention DEM'S EXPENSIVE AS HELL?
I went with a tight fitting steamer pot that was big enough to sterilize a few quart sized jars, even though I will be working with cake sized ones. That way when I want to experiment with other Tek's I can use the same sterilizing cooker. You can pick this one up in the picture for about 20-25$ with each size larger costing 10-20$ more. Bargain if I do say so.

Next you will pick up a few misc items from the store since it's probably Wal-Mart where you start your shopping list.
 These items are a flat foil turkey pan, this is for holding your jar lid tops while they cure. Some air and surface lysol for disinfecting areas (Couldn't find Oust for air, think it went out of bznz). A colander, you have to rinse a lot of substrates so the smaller the holes the better. 70% Alcohol, Wipes preferred, single item sterilization. Face masks, because I dunno how much you know about human anatomy, but I know that bacterial horrors are literally pouring and spraying out of almost every surface and orifice of our faces at any given time, and when I am hovering around admiring my fruits I want all my fluids to stay with me and not with them.
 H202 is also nice to have for things like LC tek, etc.
We need some stuff for the Glove Box. I found all of these items at Home depot except the tub which came from Wal-Mart.
 These items are two 4" trap clean-out pipe pieces, two 4"-5.5" clamps, some plastic compatible silicone, a sharpie and a cutting implement like a box cutter, or what have you.
Another item on the list is the fruiting chamber, and since you're going to wal-Mart and Home Depot, make sure you pick up the things needed in these pictures too.



 These items are a clear tub (same model we used for the glove box decent size and Price). A 3/16 and a 5/16 drill bit. Perlite. Some foil, which we use to separate our cakes from the Perlite, and to keep our jar lids dry during sterilization in the steam pot shown earlier. A temperature and a humidity thermometer. Lastly a good mister. Now some of you may need to venture to a pet store to find the right gauges and a mister (I know I did), but if you're lucky wal-mart may have something in stock.
Almost done but not yet.

 Wide mouth Kerr brand 1/2 pint jars, good for cakes and petris. Vermiculite, only bag sold at home depot I could find, which will be our main source of substrate.
More items needed for the Self Healing Lid.
 The jars and the drill bits from earlier, the bits I got from Home Depot, the Jars were found at Albertsons. Some 3M Brand Micro-Pore paper tape(or tyvek) Found at smith's food & drug aka Kroger. Some heat resistant silicone again Home Depot. I searched everywhere for that really popular RTV red silicone that everyone likes, but no one had heard or seen it from the picture I showed, so I ended up getting some crazy durable resistant up to 800f crap. Hoping it works. We'll see.
The Self Healing Tek I am using works like so

Last but not least
 Some instant Idaho original mash potatos found almost anywhere, clear organic honey your choice, Brown Rice flower, sold in the health foods section of a regular grocery store and the f*cking agar agar...... I went to 8 different stores before I finally found the one place in my whole town that had it in some sort of form. It was a Wholefoods store in the cultural section.
THAT'S IT. A few other things you will need is a drill for the drill bits, a spray bottle for bleach water when working inside your glove blox, some flexible cloth band aids that you can put over the top of your micro-pore tape under a layer of foil during sterilization. Oh and a spore syringe of course.
Some helpful links that got me to where I am -Self Healing Lid Tek- -Grocery Store Agar Tek- -RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms- -EvilMushroom's BRF TEk- -GloveBox Tek by TheNewGuy-
Going to work on my can lids tonight. I am looking for any tips, advice, or anything for that matter. Please criticize me good. I'll keep adding posts as more pictures and steps have been taken. Thanks for any input.
Edited by Camtaro420 (12/11/13 03:09 PM)
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19239233 - 12/07/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: in the end I decided against a pressure cook. For one - they are too freaking expensive. Two - they seem like you need to have them in perfect working condition along with having to watch really closely for them to not break your instruments and work right. And Three - They are kinda overkill from what I can see, oh and did I mention DEM'S EXPENSIVE AS HELL?
http://www.amazon.com/Mirro-Polished-Aluminum-Dishwasher-22-Quart/dp/B000RNH7PQ
What's so expensive?
What instruments will break?
A PC is only overkill for BRF cakes where steam sterilization works just fine.
On the other hand spending $250 just to grow some cakes to me seems like overkill.....it can be done for much much cheaper.
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Camtaro420 said: Some people say you could grow with around 80$, but I just don't see how that is possible unless you are really going bare bones and high risk for contamination.
The amount of money you spend has very little to do with your contamination rate.....your sterile technique is everything....
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Camtaro420 said: H202 is also nice to have for things like LC tek, etc.
The ONLY thing peroxide is used for in this hobby is to treat cobweb mold....not for use in LCs or such....
There is also no need for silicone or micropore tape.....the dry verm layer is your filter and the holes can remain open and exposed.
And BTW the tape you have is not micropore tape.....All this money could have been saved..... along with the money you spent on lysol, and useless cheap unreliable hygrometers.....there is just no need for any of that when doing cakes in a SGFC built to spec.
I would also suggest against having the gloves attached to your still air box......they should be attached to you so you can move in and out of the box with the tool that needs to be flame sterilized between jars.
Having gloves attached to the box makes this impossible.
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Edited by PussyFart (12/07/13 12:38 AM)
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
#19239314 - 12/07/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: What's so expensive?
80$ is a pretty good drop in the bucket, that also doesn't account for shipping
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Notahacker420 said: What instruments will break?
If the pressure is too much it could crack your jars or syringes easily
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Notahacker420 said: A PC is only overkill for BRF cakes where steam sterilization works just fine.
That's what I got from most guides too.
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Notahacker420 said: On the other hand spending $250 just to grow some cakes to me seems like overkill.....it can be done for much much cheaper.
Yes, but I had to get everything new, and I wanted some of the stuff to be interchangable. For instance I could use the lids for grain spawn, or cakes, or whatever.
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Notahacker420 said: The amount of money you spend has very little to do with your contamination rate.....your sterile technique is everything....
Extra steps, products, and money spent towards disinfectants should be used if funds are available imo.
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Notahacker420 said: The ONLY thing peroxide is used for in this hobby is to treat cobweb mold....not for use in LCs or such....
Hrmm..... Well that's good to know, I saw one tek that suggested adding some h202 to a liquid Culture during it's gestation period would help prevent bacterial growth, I didn't even know about the cobweb thing which is a plus.
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Notahacker420 said: There is also no need for silicone or micropore tape.....the dry verm layer is your filter and the holes can remain open and exposed.
I did not know that, but it's safer and will work right? Even RR had some medical micropore tape he put over his holes on the video from what I remember.
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Notahacker420 said: And BTW the tape you have is not micropore tape.....All this money could have been saved..... along with the money you spent on lysol, and useless cheap unreliable hygrometers.....there is just no need for any of that when doing cakes in a SGFC built to spec.
Seriously? It's not micropore tape? IT says on the back right in the picture that it is and I searched 8 different stores, that's the only thing that says 3M micropore tape I could find.
As for the the Lysol, not to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about there. Lysol is good regardless if you are growing mushrooms or not, it's not useless and it WILL help to prevent contamination and to help prepare areas where I will be housing my jars and fruiting chamber.
The hygrometers I semi-agree with you about. They were cheap and purchased just for a rough estimate of the area for the fruiting chamber. I live in a desert, so it's got little to no humidity. I will also be growing my mushrooms in a closet so It's going to be a room seperate from where I am most of the time, So when I check on the mushrooms and spray them with mist it's good to have a general idea of what the temp and humidity is.
I know there is no NEED, but every little bit helps in this hobby from what I have read over the past month lurking.
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Notahacker420 said: I would also suggest against having the gloves attached to your still air box......they should be attached to you so you can move in and out of the box with the tool that needs to be flame sterilized between jars.
Having gloves attached to the box makes this impossible.
I was just following the tek, but yeah I can see what you mean. I'll modify it as needed.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19239341 - 12/07/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: 80$ is a pretty good drop in the bucket, that also doesn't account for shipping
Shipping is free....And that is cheap as hell compared to $400 All American PCs.....
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Camtaro420 said: If the pressure is too much it could crack your jars or syringes easily
Not true at all.
Improper knowledge of how to correctly use a pressure cooker could result in this.
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Camtaro420 said: I did not know that, but it's safer and will work right? Even RR had some medical micropore tape he put over his holes on the video from what I remember.
Yes, but it is not needed....it's just an extra precautionary measure.....not needed tho.
And if the tape says micropore on it, that is my bad.
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Camtaro420 said: As for the the Lysol, not to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about there. Lysol is good regardless if you are growing mushrooms or not, it's not useless and it WILL help to prevent contamination and to help prepare areas where I will be housing my jars and fruiting chamber.
But it is not needed......it is nice to have sure.....so is a Mercedes......but it's just not needed to be successful.
70% alcohol sure....lysol not so much....I have never used the stuff for this hobby, and never plan on it.....neither do a lot of people.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
#19239342 - 12/07/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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damn those are some epic first posts, did you purchase the RR videos, those are the best
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
#19239350 - 12/07/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: 80$ is a pretty good drop in the bucket, that also doesn't account for shipping
Shipping is free....And that is cheap as hell compared to $400 All American PCs.....
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Camtaro420 said: If the pressure is too much it could crack your jars or syringes easily
Not true at all.
Improper knowledge of how to correctly use a pressure cooker could result in this.
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Camtaro420 said: I did not know that, but it's safer and will work right? Even RR had some medical micropore tape he put over his holes on the video from what I remember.
Yes, but it is not needed....it's just an extra precautionary measure.....not needed tho.
And if the tape says micropore on it, that is my bad.
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Camtaro420 said: As for the the Lysol, not to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about there. Lysol is good regardless if you are growing mushrooms or not, it's not useless and it WILL help to prevent contamination and to help prepare areas where I will be housing my jars and fruiting chamber.
But it is not needed......it is nice to have sure.....so is a Mercedes......but it's just not needed to be successful.
70% alcohol sure....lysol not so much....I have never used the stuff for this hobby, and never plan on it.....neither do a lot of people.
Word, I get what you're saying. Again thanks. =D
Back to the lids. Will it work? OR should I just use holes with tape? I really want it to be safe I have only 1 syringe I don't want to have to send away for another.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: twistedty]
#19239351 - 12/07/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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twistedty said: damn those are some epic first posts, did you purchase the RR videos, those are the best 
Naw I didn't the video links were free. If everything goes good I well defiantly send some $ his way and buy them anyhow since he helped so much.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19239586 - 12/07/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'd like to add, return those drill bits. they look to be masonary bits, not so good for drilling lids, and i'm betting your drill can't use them anyway. note the shanks, they're hammerdrill bits. the very definition of overkill. i used a nail driven through the lids into a block of wood. easy cheese. nice work on the write up so far. luck
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19241152 - 12/07/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah they are overkill but they work in my drill really well and I didn't really have anything else I could use either. I guess I could have purchased some nails big enough, but these bit's will work for more then just this project and are very nice to have.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19241227 - 12/07/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Masonry bits are not even sharp.....they will more than likely burn their way thru the plastic tub from friction before they actually cut thru it.....
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19241242 - 12/07/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree on the lysol being overkill i just clean the room im working in with soapy water or 10% bleach solution and i mop the floor tape up my vents and use a still air box i wipe all jars and equipment with alchol wipes before placing it in my still air box which was precleaned with a soapy water solution. Lysol stinks and isnt good for the environment . My sterile procedure is a lil much but it works for me
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Ultron]
#19245845 - 12/08/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so. Everything is set to colonize. I got 5 Petri's, and 2 brown rice tuppers.
I'm using the tuppers to try and get contaminate free spore prints so that's why those are there.
Everything has been sitting at about 90f all night. I reduced the ambient heat and now it's sitting around 85f. I know 80 is best but it's hard to regulate the tempature here. It's either frigid or blazing, not much ability to get it to a goldilocks environment.
Anyways. How soon should I see some myc? they are Ecuadorans so I hear they are fast.

Oh and should I wait a little longer before opening the band aid so the micropore tape can breath more? OR now.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19245895 - 12/08/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: Anyways. How soon should I see some myc? they are Ecuadorans so I hear they are fast.
Spores can take 2+ weeks to germinate and show growth.
The name some vendor gave some certain group of spores means little, cubes are cubes.
There is no one variety that is known to colonize faster or slower than any other variety.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
#19245986 - 12/08/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah, gotcha. Thanks!
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19246518 - 12/08/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take the band-aid off. It's not needed when you have micropore on at all.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: DannyDGAF]
#19246661 - 12/08/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No need to take the bandaid off, just leave it be.
The less you mess with the filter on agar dishes the better...plus agar cultures do not even really need GE.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
#19246730 - 12/08/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You don't want miracle grow perlite you want just normal perlite with no "plant food".
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: d0urd3n]
#19255477 - 12/10/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay I traded out the perlite for the better kind

In other news the bandaids were left on. I figured in my own head after asking that petri dishes don't even get any air flow at all and they will get covered in myc well.
As for my agar dishes some weird stuff is happening. I am hoping it's just the agar jellying up or something but it looks like it might be some sort of growth.
Jar A

Jar B

Jar C
 Jar C #2

JAr C is harder to see in describe. It's white and kinda waterproof like. There is a bead of the agar liquid sitting on top of whatever the white is in there like it would sit on something that was waterproof. if i tilt the jar the bead of agar liquid will move across it very slowly like its being held there.
JAr A and just looks like some jello that was left out to long, Jar B looks like that but a little more.
Is anything here normal? I haven't seen anything like it but most photos on old things around here are removed.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19255486 - 12/10/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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how long ago did you nocc em up
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19255497 - 12/10/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The temp has been staying at 90 mostly I do my best to get it between 80-90 but when it's cold the heater is on harder and it's by the heater in a closet so it's as good as it gets/ We left the heater off for just a few hours and everything dropped to 60.
It's never gone past 90, or below 60.
And I innoced 2.5 days ago.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19255499 - 12/10/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: The temp has been staying at 90 mostly I do my best to get it between 80-90 but when it's cold the heater is on harder and it's by the heater in a closet so it's as good as it gets/ We left the heater off for just a few hours and everything dropped to 60.
It's never gone past 90, or below 60.
And I innoced 2.5 days ago.
thats way to hot, aim for 75. did you use a spore solution?
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: twistedty]
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I'm trying to keep it cooler yeah.
and I used an old spore syringe bought of some website some time ago. IT was given to me by a friend it was kept dark in a zip lock plastic bag in postage box, in a fridge for about 6 months.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19255707 - 12/10/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm hoping that Jar A & B just have some weird jelly stuff happening. But is it possible it's

Bacteria like this picture?
It seems clear when you look at it through the side of the glass.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
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Camtaro420 said: I'm hoping that Jar A & B just have some weird jelly stuff happening. But is it possible it's

Bacteria like this picture?
It seems clear when you look at it through the side of the glass.
no idea but that looks freekin cool. considering its shape, it's like it's shriveling up and pulling away from the sides of the container. bacteria does that? is it just drying out? what's it look like lit from behind? how's it taste? (don't taste it )
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: J. Jack Flash]
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It looks more like drying of the agar then the bacteria in the contaminate example picture.
On another note, I just realized an hour ago that I used 3 times the honey then I was suppose to.....
How will this effect things?
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
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isn't honey anti-fungal?
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: newera]
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Right that's why you are suppose to use very little. Should I try to retrieve the spores and cultivate them on a clean properly made agar, like you would an isolate?
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19260065 - 12/11/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK, so time for an update.
Things to know:
- I messed up the Grocery Store Agar Tek. My flakes should have been grinded instead of forked for smoother consistency, even more so for my agar agar flakes and additionally I used 2 teaspoons of honey more then I was suppose to. Because of this the Agar my spores are sitting in, is more like a more liquid like substance that has separated from the solids in the lower half of the jars.
- The spores are old. While I believe they were taken care of, it doesn't change the fact it was an old spore syringe, and the older they are the more likely it is they were contaminated with bacteria. However I used all the common sterile procedures.
- Sterile procedures: I used Alcohol mist to pull contaminates down to the bottom of the glove box each time before entering with my hands, flame hot syringe before each injection, tapes over open holes, band aids to prevent extra airflow of the petris, etc. I DID use my bare hands though.. The gloves I got wouldn't work well so I would just douse my hands with alchohol each time I took the syringe out to flame sterilize so they were dripping with alcohol at any given time.
- The temperature & light: The temperature has been all over the place. It started at 90 mostly, it's dipped down to 60 on a day we didn't notice and for the past day or so it's at about 80. Lighting is at least 5-8 hours of continual dark, during the day time it gets ambient light no direct light unless you count my phone light for during inspection.
- Self-Healing Lids: This was completely unnecessary for petris. Someone told me this, but I figured WTF it's a good way to test em out, and it was. I can see that I didn't have the silicone cured enough for one. Should have waited 3 days as opposed to 1. There needs to be silicone around any sort of edge that was exposed to moisture. I can see that all of the microfiber tape has rust building up making it a no longer suitable filter and possibly will soon start to drip rust down into the petri. Long story short, DON'T BOTHER USING THESE LIDS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THEN A SUBSTRATE FILTER FOR THINGS LIKE BRF CAKES.
So that's the jist. It's been 3.5 days, and I have yet to see anything promising. I know patience is key but I have a strong feeling I f*cked up. Just sort of rushed into things in excitement. That's ok though, learning from mistakes is the best way sometime.
I made new petris that look perfect. I also ordered some new spores from hakeye (they are supposedly albino's, that would be pretty sweet if it comes through as advertised.) I am ready to try again if this experiment fails.
With that I ask, where should I go from here? Should I just give these faux petris a chance at germination still? Should I try and retrieve the clumps of spores I can see sitting in the faux agar and transfer the, to proper agar? Lay it on me brothers.
Here's some glorious pictures of my failures.
Jar 1 (The weirdest looking one)


Jar 2


Jar 3 ( I am such a fool of a took!)


Jar 4 (Least of the weird looking ones)


Jar 5 (Just weird)


I'm guessing I just have to wait for some new spores at this point, but if any of you think some spores are salvageable, I am willing to try to isolate them. On the least weird jar I can still actually see some clumps of spores where they were squirted into the jar.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
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miracle grow perlite works just fine, it's getting rinsed off with water anyway and never touches the cakes. It's all I have ever used without any problem ever.
I would ditch the lysol and peroxide. I would make agar with potato dextrose or malt extract I would pour petri dishes rather than fuck around with jars Order some cheap dishes since you obviously have money to spare 500ml h2o + 10g agar + 10g malt extract, PC for 30M in a 20$ pressure cooker you can find almost anywhere especially thrift stores and craigslist. pour agar inside of a SAB(not glove box) win.
you could have spent 30$ and been started on PF cakes
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: miracle grow perlite works just fine, it's getting rinsed off with water anyway and never touches the cakes. It's all I have ever used without any problem ever.
I would ditch the lysol and peroxide. I would make agar with potato dextrose or malt extract I would pour petri dishes rather than fuck around with jars Order some cheap dishes since you obviously have money to spare 500ml h2o + 10g agar + 10g malt extract, PC for 30M in a 20$ pressure cooker you can find almost anywhere especially thrift stores and craigslist. pour agar inside of a SAB(not glove box) win.
you could have spent 30$ and been started on PF cakes
So you pour sterilized agar into the dishes, what do you do for sterilization of the dishes themselves? Should I get glass or plastic ones? Also what kind of tape is it that I see around them in most of the pictures around here? and could you please recommend a good still air box thread? I have yet to find one, but I haven't really looked that hard.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
#19260219 - 12/11/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can buy pre-sterilized ones, good for one use. i got a case of 500 for around 50-75bux. they come in 25 sleeves, 25 per sleeve.
a SAB is nothing more than a big square sterilite container with 2 holes for your arms.
http://www.mycosupply.com/ this is a good place to start get some parafilm, sfds, and pda if you have money.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PARTIAL-CASE-OF-340-BD-FALCON-OPTILUX-STERILE-PETRI-DISHES-351001-/360795184288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5401119ca0
i didnt check the dimensions of the dishes but this will give you an idea
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: twistedty]
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just depends on how seriously you want to take this hobby and the right tools helped me alot
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: twistedty]
#19260358 - 12/11/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for thot. Got some petri's on the way right now. I have money to spend yeah, not THAT much though lol.
I also got some pre-made agar sterilized ones from a reputable ebay seller for the new spores I am getting. That way all I have to do is squirt some spore solution into premade refrigerated agar dishes and from that I can play lets isolate and grow awesome mushrooms.
The only thing now is what to do with the things sitting in my cupboard? just let them....... do whatever?
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
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pouring your own agar lets you see how clean you are too. No contams then you know you're pretty clean and can feel comfortable about working in a SAB to do G2G or agar inoculations with grains.
Like said above just buy them pre-sterilized (those are plastic and can't be reused)
I have glass dishes which can be re-used but are a little bit more of a pain in the ass to handle.
You can wrap your dishes with parafilm(the defacto standard) or saran wrap.
as for the sab
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A flow hood is not going to fix this.
I get 99-100% success rate in my SAB, with no thought of building a flow hood anytime soon.
it's really just a big ass clear box with holes in it. Make it to fit your body, you don't need fancy clean outs for your holes but you do want to cover the holes for ~10m before doing work inside of your SAB to make the air settle(still air= no contams get into your work) you can clean your sab with soap and water you dont need to use alcohol or bleach at all since the still air is what you want. It's not a sterile air box but it allows you to work without getting contamination into your work. This is the second best tool with a laminar flow hood being the first(aside from an iso9000 level 5 clean room)
The lets grow mushrooms video series has an agar prep tek
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
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Nevermind about letting them be I decided to inspect them and good thing I did they all smell rotten northing worth transferring or anything for that matter. Just a learning experience in failure.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
#19260731 - 12/11/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok so I went ahead and changed the title and added a pre-letter to the thread talking about how I rushed everything.
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Camtaro420 said: Hello everyone, my name is Camtaro420.
This is a story about how I was a dumba$$ who rushed into things too quickly. while I used awesome teks, I did NOT follow them to the letter as many post's suggested that I do. Waiting, and patience is key. I lost 6 jars, a spore syringe, and about 4 days worth of time that could have been better spent doing it the right way. This is on top of the fact that all my supplies for growing could have been cheaper if I had researched a little harder and asked for advice before I started growing. This thread shall be the first and end of my failures. From here forth I will be taking the advice from the pro's. Thanks to everyone so far who has helped.
Everything else is left now for education to those who want to read. When I get my new syringe I will start a fresh thread. I also think I will be working in correspondence to blue's new thread which will also be using agar to start from scratch. Here's a picture of the still air box I built.

Hopefully it will help in the future.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: cronicr]
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Some people find it easier to take the lid off and use the SAB upside down IE the opening of the box is the floor. This way you can use a completely smooth flat surface such as a table(sanitize first) or a bleach soaked towel(if you want a less slippery surface).
Save the lid though I use my SAB as storage when I'm not using it.
I personally use a coffee table. I wipe it with alcohol put the SAB over it. I spray the inside of my SAB with a very very dilute hot water and dish soap mix(like a half a drop) then I plug the holes and let it sit for a good 10 minutes( with the things I want to work with already inside )
It's good practice to flame outside of the box rather than having a flame inside(it will stir up the air )
It's also a good idea to do some practice runs without using a culture just to get familiar with how to "drive your SAB" I found out the SAB moved around so I put some bricks around my SAB so it stays put when my arms hit the side of the arm holes.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: bodhisatta]
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Some people find it easier to take the lid off and use the SAB upside down IE the opening of the box is the floor. This way you can use a completely smooth flat surface such as a table(sanitize first) or a bleach soaked towel(if you want a less slippery surface).
Save the lid though I use my SAB as storage when I'm not using it.
I personally use a coffee table. I wipe it with alcohol put the SAB over it. I spray the inside of my SAB with a very very dilute hot water and dish soap mix(like a half a drop) then I plug the holes and let it sit for a good 10 minutes( with the things I want to work with already inside )
It's good practice to flame outside of the box rather than having a flame inside(it will stir up the air )
It's also a good idea to do some practice runs without using a culture just to get familiar with how to "drive your SAB" I found out the SAB moved around so I put some bricks around my SAB so it stays put when my arms hit the side of the arm holes.
These are all brilliant ideas. My mother in-law has some old spores in the fridge. Like really old ones from back in her grow days. I may even practice with those before using my good syringe incoming in a week.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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When I see a new person come to the shroomery and demonstrate they can learn from other peoples mistakes rather than feverishly needing to make their own I'll spend some time giving my tips.
You'll probably end up being the next decent/good cultivator on the forums if you keep this up.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: bodhisatta]
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i'll second that one, keep it up
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: cronicr]
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with every failure comes a lesson keep us posted and link us to your next log
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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Camtaro420 said: Ok so I went ahead and changed the title and added a pre-letter to the thread talking about how I rushed everything.
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Camtaro420 said: Hello everyone, my name is Camtaro420.
This is a story about how I was a dumba$$ who rushed into things too quickly. while I used awesome teks, I did NOT follow them to the letter as many post's suggested that I do. Waiting, and patience is key. I lost 6 jars, a spore syringe, and about 4 days worth of time that could have been better spent doing it the right way. This is on top of the fact that all my supplies for growing could have been cheaper if I had researched a little harder and asked for advice before I started growing. This thread shall be the first and end of my failures. From here forth I will be taking the advice from the pro's. Thanks to everyone so far who has helped.
Everything else is left now for education to those who want to read. When I get my new syringe I will start a fresh thread. I also think I will be working in correspondence to blue's new thread which will also be using agar to start from scratch. Here's a picture of the still air box I built.

Hopefully it will help in the future.
thats what i use for my monos 
i wouldnt call it failure by any means, i bet you get it in the next try
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: twistedty]
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Camtaro420 said: Ok so I went ahead and changed the title and added a pre-letter to the thread talking about how I rushed everything.
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Camtaro420 said: Hello everyone, my name is Camtaro420.
This is a story about how I was a dumba$$ who rushed into things too quickly. while I used awesome teks, I did NOT follow them to the letter as many post's suggested that I do. Waiting, and patience is key. I lost 6 jars, a spore syringe, and about 4 days worth of time that could have been better spent doing it the right way. This is on top of the fact that all my supplies for growing could have been cheaper if I had researched a little harder and asked for advice before I started growing. This thread shall be the first and end of my failures. From here forth I will be taking the advice from the pro's. Thanks to everyone so far who has helped.
Everything else is left now for education to those who want to read. When I get my new syringe I will start a fresh thread. I also think I will be working in correspondence to blue's new thread which will also be using agar to start from scratch. Here's a picture of the still air box I built.

Hopefully it will help in the future.
thats what i use for my monos 
i wouldnt call it failure by any means, i bet you get it in the next try
Word, and I actually have the same one for my SGFC it's a great size and color.
I appreciate all the positive feedbasck everyone. Very excited to get the albino syringe. Hoping to make some really nice isolates from it.
I also found a nice place where it's dark and the temp seems to be a steady 69. I am hoping this will be a good incubation location for the petris.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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Alright ladies and gents. The spore syringe got here hella fast. Much faster then my petris, those aren't going to get here till at least tuesday, which is cool because I was thinking about getting a second syringe since this one came so fast.

tonight I am going to whip up a PDYA batch, sterilize it with my small pressure cooker, then pour it into my 1/2 pint wide mouths in a SAB. After this I am going to sterilize those jars with the PDYA mix in them, in a my big ol' steamer for extra pasteurization.
Hopefully this will eliminate all possible initial contaminates in the agar and jars. Once it cools in the morning I am going to innoc them with the spore syringe using proper sterile procedures(SAB after 1 hour of stillness, Flame syringe, no alcohol wipe.)
The incubation section is sitting at a stable 78f. Anything I need to go over or any additional advice before I innoc in the morn?
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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i would say there's no need to let the air settle for an hour, shouldn't a minute or so cut it? thats all i have been giving it
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: newera]
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Maybe I'll just give it 10 mins then.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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So you are going to try and get an isolate first then use that agar to inoculate your brf cakes?
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Rufarian]
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I want to get a nice isolate strain and then use it for BRF cakes yes.
I'm not sure of an effective way to innoc the BRF substrate though. From what I have read it seems like getting a strong isolate, then adding it to a LC for BRF innoc works great.
Could just say f*ck it and go with grains and mono's tho...
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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I want to get a nice isolate strain and then use it for BRF cakes yes.
I'm not sure of an effective way to innoc the BRF substrate though. From what I have read it seems like getting a strong isolate, then adding it to a LC for BRF innoc works great.
Could just say f*ck it and go with grains and mono's tho...
There are million ways to go. If you are going to isolate first, I would suggest making several isolates. 10 should be good. You dont want to go through all the work of isolating 1 specimen and then that one turns out to be a slow grower or worse a no fruiter.
Or you could just noc up brf cakes first, then take a clone of your best fruits, using that isolate so you know what you get.
Best of luck.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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Rufarian said: So you are going to try and get an isolate first then use that agar to inoculate your brf cakes?
I want to get a nice isolate strain and then use it for BRF cakes yes.
I'm not sure of an effective way to innoc the BRF substrate though. From what I have read it seems like getting a strong isolate, then adding it to a LC for BRF innoc works great.
Could just say f*ck it and go with grains and mono's tho...
cakes are great for testing iso's, i'd suggest simply using a proper filter with no dry verm and adding your wedge though, lc is an extra step u don't need
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: cronicr]
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Rufarian said: So you are going to try and get an isolate first then use that agar to inoculate your brf cakes?
I want to get a nice isolate strain and then use it for BRF cakes yes.
I'm not sure of an effective way to innoc the BRF substrate though. From what I have read it seems like getting a strong isolate, then adding it to a LC for BRF innoc works great.
Could just say f*ck it and go with grains and mono's tho...
cakes are great for testing iso's, i'd suggest simply using a proper filter with no dry verm and adding your wedge though, lc is an extra step u don't need
That's one way I was thinking about doing it. Just drop it it like a grain jar and hope for the best.
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
#19275313 - 12/14/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just got an upgrade from the mother in law.

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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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Camtaro420 said: Just got an upgrade from the mother in law.


nice!!!! get your ass on grains and monos bro.
that is a serious piece of equipment
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: twistedty]
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Camtaro420 said: Just got an upgrade from the mother in law.


nice!!!! get your ass on grains and monos bro.
that is a serious piece of equipment
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Re: Jumping into the hobby to fast. [Re: Camtaro420]
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