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Jumping into the hobby too fast. (Failure w/ pics!)
    #19239176 - 12/07/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone, my name is Camtaro420.

This is a story about how I was a dumba$$ who rushed into things too quickly. while I used awesome teks, I did NOT follow them to the letter as many post's suggested that I do. Waiting, and patience is key. I lost 6 jars, a spore syringe, and about 4 days worth of time that could have been better spent doing it the right way. This is on top of the fact that all my supplies for growing could have been cheaper if I had researched a little harder and asked for advice before I started growing. This thread shall be the first and end of my failures. From here forth I will be taking the advice from the pro's. Thanks to everyone so far who has helped.

The rest is a good read and lesson if you're willing to take the time.

This is a journal of my first grow and will hopefully be a long time guide for many newbs looking for a one stop thread that will get them on track to growing some awesome cubes in no time. I am sure that this thread is rather redundant seeing as there are just so many posts that have the similar info, but just to be fair, many of them are outdated, pictures are missing or not there at all, the information is not consolidated, etc.

So let me go over some of the things I'll be discussing;

- Mid Grade Level Grow Guide: I say mid grade because it isn't cheap. I spent at least 250ish for EVERYTHING, but I mean everything, I had nothing to make mushrooms with at home except for 1 box cutter and a power drill which are 2 of the more likely things you might have around the home. It's also not nearly as expensive as some of the builds you could be doing if you wanted a large pressure cooker and some shotgun chambers or something.

- Tek's I will be using: Grocery Store Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Innoc Tek, RR Simple Fruiting Chamber Tek, Etc.

- Shopping list for EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY NEED TO GROW: This means jars for agar culture and colonizing, ingredients for BRF Tek, A glove box for safe inoculation, A fruiting chamber for flushes, other misc items you will/should need and of course your spore syringe. Also what these things look like and where you will be most likely to find them.

- Other little things that you might have forgotten or was curious about: The main reason I made this thread, was because I couldn't find all the info I needed in a timely manner or easily for that matter.

So let's get to it.

First we should go over Items for purchasing. Now like I said this is a from scratch grow list so we will pretty much cover everything. The only Items I had that was needed was a power drill and a box cutter, so I spent upwards of 250$ USD. Some people say you could grow with around 80$, but I just don't see how that is possible unless you are really going bare bones and high risk for contamination.

You should find or purchase something for cooking sterilization. Now it took me some time before I made my final decision, and in the end I decided against a pressure cook. For one - they are too freaking expensive. Two - they seem like you need to have them in perfect working condition along with having to watch really closely for them to not break your instruments and work right. And Three - They are kinda overkill from what I can see, oh and did I mention DEM'S EXPENSIVE AS HELL?

I went with a tight fitting steamer pot that was big enough to sterilize a few quart sized jars, even though I will be working with cake sized ones. That way when I want to experiment with other Tek's I can use the same sterilizing cooker. You can pick this one up in the picture for about 20-25$ with each size larger costing 10-20$ more. Bargain if I do say so.


Next you will pick up a few misc items from the store since it's probably Wal-Mart where you start your shopping list.

These items are a flat foil turkey pan, this is for holding your jar lid tops while they cure. Some air and surface lysol for disinfecting areas (Couldn't find Oust for air, think it went out of bznz). A colander, you have to rinse a lot of substrates so the smaller the holes the better. 70% Alcohol, Wipes preferred, single item sterilization. Face masks, because I dunno how much you know about human anatomy, but I know that bacterial horrors are literally pouring and spraying out of almost every surface and orifice of our faces at any given time, and when I am hovering around admiring my fruits I want all my fluids to stay with me and not with them.

H202 is also nice to have for things like LC tek, etc.

We need some stuff for the Glove Box. I found all of these items at Home depot except the tub which came from Wal-Mart.

These items are two 4" trap clean-out pipe pieces, two 4"-5.5" clamps, some plastic compatible silicone, a sharpie and a cutting implement like a box cutter, or what have you.

Another item on the list is the fruiting chamber, and since you're going to wal-Mart and Home Depot, make sure you pick up the things needed in these pictures too.




These items are a clear tub (same model we used for the glove box decent size and Price). A 3/16 and a 5/16 drill bit. Perlite. Some foil, which we use to separate our cakes from the Perlite, and to keep our jar lids dry during sterilization in the steam pot shown earlier. A temperature and a humidity thermometer. Lastly a good mister. Now some of you may need to venture to a pet store to find the right gauges and a mister (I know I did), but if you're lucky wal-mart may have something in stock.

Almost done but not yet.


Wide mouth Kerr brand 1/2 pint jars, good for cakes and petris. Vermiculite, only bag sold at home depot I could find, which will be our main source of substrate.

More items needed for the Self Healing Lid.

The jars and the drill bits from earlier, the bits I got from Home Depot, the Jars were found at Albertsons. Some 3M Brand Micro-Pore paper tape(or tyvek) Found at smith's food & drug aka Kroger. Some heat resistant silicone again Home Depot. I searched everywhere for that really popular RTV red silicone that everyone likes, but no one had heard or seen it from the picture I showed, so I ended up getting some crazy durable resistant up to 800f crap. Hoping it works. We'll see.

The Self Healing Tek I am using works like so


Last but not least

Some instant Idaho original mash potatos found almost anywhere, clear organic honey your choice, Brown Rice flower, sold in the health foods section of a regular grocery store and the f*cking agar agar...... I went to 8 different stores before I finally found the one place in my whole town that had it in some sort of form. It was a Wholefoods store in the cultural section.

THAT'S IT. A few other things you will need is a drill for the drill bits, a spray bottle for bleach water when working inside your glove blox, some flexible cloth band aids that you can put over the top of your micro-pore tape under a layer of foil during sterilization. Oh and a spore syringe of course.

Some helpful links that got me to where I am
-Self Healing Lid Tek-
-Grocery Store Agar Tek-
-RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms-
-EvilMushroom's BRF TEk-
-GloveBox Tek by TheNewGuy-

Going to work on my can lids tonight. I am looking for any tips, advice, or anything for that matter. Please criticize me good. I'll keep adding posts as more pictures and steps have been taken. Thanks for any input.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19239233 - 12/07/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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in the end I decided against a pressure cook. For one - they are too freaking expensive. Two - they seem like you need to have them in perfect working condition along with having to watch really closely for them to not break your instruments and work right. And Three - They are kinda overkill from what I can see, oh and did I mention DEM'S EXPENSIVE AS HELL?



http://www.amazon.com/Mirro-Polished-Aluminum-Dishwasher-22-Quart/dp/B000RNH7PQ

What's so expensive?

What instruments will break?

A PC is only overkill for BRF cakes where steam sterilization works just fine.

On the other hand spending $250 just to grow some cakes to me seems like overkill.....it can be done for much much cheaper.

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Some people say you could grow with around 80$, but I just don't see how that is possible unless you are really going bare bones and high risk for contamination.



The amount of money you spend has very little to do with your contamination rate.....your sterile technique is everything....

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H202 is also nice to have for things like LC tek, etc.



The ONLY thing peroxide is used for in this hobby is to treat cobweb mold....not for use in LCs or such....

There is also no need for silicone or micropore tape.....the dry verm layer is your filter and the holes can remain open and exposed.

And BTW the tape you have is not micropore tape.....All this money could have been saved..... along with the money you spent on lysol, and useless cheap unreliable hygrometers.....there is just no need for any of that when doing cakes in a SGFC built to spec.

I would also suggest against having the gloves attached to your still air box......they should be attached to you so you can move in and out of the box with the tool that needs to be flame sterilized between jars.

Having gloves attached to the box makes this impossible.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
    #19239314 - 12/07/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What's so expensive?




80$ is a pretty good drop in the bucket, that also doesn't account for shipping

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What instruments will break?




If the pressure is too much it could crack your jars or syringes easily

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A PC is only overkill for BRF cakes where steam sterilization works just fine.




That's what I got from most guides too.

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On the other hand spending $250 just to grow some cakes to me seems like overkill.....it can be done for much much cheaper.




Yes, but I had to get everything new, and I wanted some of the stuff to be interchangable. For instance I could use the lids for grain spawn, or cakes, or whatever.

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The amount of money you spend has very little to do with your contamination rate.....your sterile technique is everything....




Extra steps, products, and money spent towards disinfectants should be used if funds are available imo.

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The ONLY thing peroxide is used for in this hobby is to treat cobweb mold....not for use in LCs or such....




Hrmm..... Well that's good to know, I saw one tek that suggested adding some h202 to a liquid Culture during it's gestation period would help prevent bacterial growth, I didn't even know about the cobweb thing which is a plus.

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There is also no need for silicone or micropore tape.....the dry verm layer is your filter and the holes can remain open and exposed.




I did not know that, but it's safer and will work right? Even RR had some medical micropore tape he put over his holes on the video from what I remember.

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And BTW the tape you have is not micropore tape.....All this money could have been saved..... along with the money you spent on lysol, and useless cheap unreliable hygrometers.....there is just no need for any of that when doing cakes in a SGFC built to spec.




Seriously? It's not micropore tape? IT says on the back right in the picture that it is and I searched 8 different stores, that's the only thing that says 3M micropore tape I could find.

As for the the Lysol, not to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about there. Lysol is good regardless if you are growing mushrooms or not, it's not useless and it WILL help to prevent contamination and to help prepare areas where I will be housing my jars and fruiting chamber.

The hygrometers I semi-agree with you about. They were cheap and purchased just for a rough estimate of the area for the fruiting chamber. I live in a desert, so it's got little to no humidity. I will also be growing my mushrooms in a closet so It's going to be a room seperate from where I am most of the time, So when I check on the mushrooms and spray them with mist it's good to have a general idea of what the temp and humidity is.

I know there is no NEED, but every little bit helps in this hobby from what I have read over the past month lurking.


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I would also suggest against having the gloves attached to your still air box......they should be attached to you so you can move in and out of the box with the tool that needs to be flame sterilized between jars.

Having gloves attached to the box makes this impossible.




I was just following the tek, but yeah I can see what you mean. I'll modify it as needed.

Thanks for the feedback.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19239341 - 12/07/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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80$ is a pretty good drop in the bucket, that also doesn't account for shipping



Shipping is free....And that is cheap as hell compared to $400 All American PCs.....

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If the pressure is too much it could crack your jars or syringes easily



Not true at all.

Improper knowledge of how to correctly use a pressure cooker could result in this.

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I did not know that, but it's safer and will work right? Even RR had some medical micropore tape he put over his holes on the video from what I remember.



Yes, but it is not needed....it's just an extra precautionary measure.....not needed tho.

And if the tape says micropore on it, that is my bad.

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As for the the Lysol, not to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about there. Lysol is good regardless if you are growing mushrooms or not, it's not useless and it WILL help to prevent contamination and to help prepare areas where I will be housing my jars and fruiting chamber.



But it is not needed......it is nice to have sure.....so is a Mercedes......but it's just not needed to be successful.

70% alcohol sure....lysol not so much....I have never used the stuff for this hobby, and never plan on it.....neither do a lot of people.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
    #19239342 - 12/07/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

damn those are some epic first posts, did you purchase the RR videos, those are the best :wink:


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
    #19239350 - 12/07/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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80$ is a pretty good drop in the bucket, that also doesn't account for shipping



Shipping is free....And that is cheap as hell compared to $400 All American PCs.....

Quote:

Camtaro420 said:
If the pressure is too much it could crack your jars or syringes easily



Not true at all.

Improper knowledge of how to correctly use a pressure cooker could result in this.

Quote:

Camtaro420 said:
I did not know that, but it's safer and will work right? Even RR had some medical micropore tape he put over his holes on the video from what I remember.



Yes, but it is not needed....it's just an extra precautionary measure.....not needed tho.

And if the tape says micropore on it, that is my bad.

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As for the the Lysol, not to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about there. Lysol is good regardless if you are growing mushrooms or not, it's not useless and it WILL help to prevent contamination and to help prepare areas where I will be housing my jars and fruiting chamber.



But it is not needed......it is nice to have sure.....so is a Mercedes......but it's just not needed to be successful.

70% alcohol sure....lysol not so much....I have never used the stuff for this hobby, and never plan on it.....neither do a lot of people.




Word, I get what you're saying. Again thanks. =D 

Back to the lids. Will it work? OR should I just use holes with tape? I really want it to be safe I have only 1 syringe I don't want to have to send away for another.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: twistedty]
    #19239351 - 12/07/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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damn those are some epic first posts, did you purchase the RR videos, those are the best :wink:




Naw I didn't the video links were free. If everything goes good I well defiantly send some $ his way and buy them anyhow since he helped so much.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19239586 - 12/07/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'd like to add, return those drill bits.  they look to be masonary bits, not so good for drilling lids, and i'm betting your drill can't use them anyway.  note the shanks, they're hammerdrill bits.  the very definition of overkill.  i used a nail driven through the lids into a block of wood.  easy cheese.
nice work on the write up so far.
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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19241152 - 12/07/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah they are overkill but they work in my drill really well and I didn't  really have anything else I could use either. I guess I could have purchased some nails big enough, but these bit's will work for more then just this project and are very nice to have.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19241227 - 12/07/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Masonry bits are not even sharp.....they will more than likely burn their way thru the plastic tub from friction before they actually cut thru it.....


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19241242 - 12/07/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree on the lysol being overkill i just clean the room im working in with soapy water or 10% bleach solution and i mop the floor tape up my vents and use a still air box i wipe all jars and equipment with alchol wipes before placing it in my still air box which was precleaned with a soapy water solution. Lysol stinks and isnt good for the environment . My sterile procedure is a lil much but it works for me


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Ultron]
    #19245845 - 12/08/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, so. Everything is set to colonize. I got 5 Petri's, and 2 brown rice tuppers.

I'm using the tuppers to try and get contaminate free spore prints so that's why those are there.

Everything has been sitting at about 90f all night. I reduced the ambient heat and now it's sitting around 85f. I know 80 is best but it's hard to regulate the tempature here. It's either frigid or blazing, not much ability to get it to a goldilocks environment.

Anyways. How soon should I see some myc? they are Ecuadorans so I hear they are fast.



Oh and should I wait a little longer before opening the band aid so the micropore tape can breath more? OR now.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19245895 - 12/08/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyways. How soon should I see some myc? they are Ecuadorans so I hear they are fast.



Spores can take 2+ weeks to germinate and show growth.

The name some vendor gave some certain group of spores means little, cubes are cubes.

There is no one variety that is known to colonize faster or slower than any other variety.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
    #19245986 - 12/08/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19246518 - 12/08/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Take the band-aid off.  It's not needed when you have micropore on at all.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19246661 - 12/08/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No need to take the bandaid off, just leave it be.

The less you mess with the filter on agar dishes the better...plus agar cultures do not even really need GE.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: PussyFart]
    #19246730 - 12/08/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You don't want miracle grow perlite you want just normal perlite with no "plant food".


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19255477 - 12/10/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Okay I traded out the perlite for the better kind


In other news the bandaids were left on. I figured in my own head after asking that petri dishes don't even get any air flow at all and they will get covered in myc well.

As for my agar dishes some weird stuff is happening. I am hoping it's just the agar jellying up or something but it looks like it might be some sort of growth.

Jar A


Jar B


Jar C

Jar C #2


JAr C is harder to see in describe. It's white and kinda waterproof like. There is a bead of the agar liquid sitting on top of whatever the white is in there like it would sit on something that was waterproof. if i tilt the jar the bead of agar liquid will move across it very slowly like its being held there.

JAr A and just looks like some jello that was left out to long, Jar B looks like that but a little more.

Is anything here normal? I haven't seen anything like it but most photos on old things around here are removed.


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19255486 - 12/10/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how long ago did you nocc em up


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Re: Scratch Grow: Agar Tek, BRF Cake Tek, Glove Box Tek, RR Style [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19255497 - 12/10/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The temp has been staying at 90 mostly I do my best to get it between 80-90 but when it's cold the heater is on harder and it's by the heater in a closet so it's as good as it gets/ We left the heater off for just a few hours and everything dropped to 60.

It's never gone past 90, or below 60.

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