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    #19238927 - 12/06/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: SamBawser]
    #19238939 - 12/06/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lemon tek, tea or straight, all good ways of consumption


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19239096 - 12/06/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Start with a half-eighth; there's no sense in rushing this if you're anxiety-prone.

Tea is probably the best way to go if you'd like to avoid nausea.  Maybe add peppermint or ginger (don't over-do it, though).

Potency loss should be minimal if you follow good directions.

It's good to have a light meal 2-3 hours before drinking the tea; this way you won't be hungry until you've come down, but you'll have an empty stomach for the come-up so as to minimize nausea.  (e.g. light breakfast at 7, drink the tea at 9, trip by 10)

Some people are more sensitive to psychedelic drugs than others.  I trip hard (e.g. peak visuals render vision almost useless) on 3 grams prepared as tea.

Give yourself the space to ease into this; you'll thank yourself later. :nyan:


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: hmmn]
    #19239149 - 12/07/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

For me personally there is hardly a difference in stomach sensations between tea and straight. Any nausea I get is from the active ingredients themselves. Never puked though.

I would suggest eating a light none too spicy meal and fasting for at least 4 to 5 hours after that,

What I have gathered from other peoples experiences is that just swallowing the shrooms is a sure way to get nausea us. Unless you have somebody who knows their shrooms and tea brewing you should tell "your friend" to take them straight. Than you will know the effectiveness of the shrooms.

Key is to chew them properly

Like until they are basically completely dissolved into your saliva and swallow that.

The first couple of times shrooms ate decently palatable, and usually only get disgusting after multiple uses.

But if you are worrying about the duration you should maybe wait until a better time. Nothing to fuck up a trip like some deadline for soberness  :shrug:


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #19239201 - 12/07/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I do a lemon-tea extraction exclusively, the body load is way lower although the come-up can be a little more rocky.  Cubes in general are kind of speedy and anxiety-prone, you could drop it down to 2g if you're worried.  If you want a less anxious experience then try to find some woodlovers like ovoids or cyans or at least some galindoi or mexicana truffles, all of those provide trips with way less bad juju IMO.  :shrug:


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #19239213 - 12/07/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno...I notice a pretty big difference between eating them and tea, and I chew them well.  I imagine people differ in their ability to tolerate raw mushrooms.  I do have a fairly sensitive stomach. :shrug:

In retrospect I think you're right to suggest 4 or 5 hours between food and mushrooms over 2 or 3 - though at 5 hours you may feel very hungry/weak towards the end of the trip.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: hmmn] * 1
    #19239797 - 12/07/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I say makes mushroom chocolates.  My favourite method by far! :zoom:


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19239829 - 12/07/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you only got an 1/8 it's difficult to make choclate with balanced potency. I'd prefer lemon tek or tea over this.


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    #19240400 - 12/07/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: SamBawser]
    #19240526 - 12/07/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the all the suggestions/advice guys! My friend appreciates it immensely.

Now, he has just a few questions,

Is a lemon tekk 1/16 comparable to taking an entire 1/8 of mushrooms straight? Would my friend find it more friendly to do the same with a 1/32 of mushrooms lemon tekk'd? Or is 1/32 such a small amount that it will hardly do anything?

Also, any tips on avoiding anxiety or panic on a come up? (On a side-note, my friend is familiar with meditation.)





Not comparable, lemon tek does not increase potency, it helps you metabolize and uptake the same dose over a shorter amount of time so the trip is slightly more intense at the peak, but certainly not double.  What is noticeably different is that the come-up time is halved, the peak comes quicker and overall the duration of the trip is much shorter.  Think of it in terms of getting all of the drugs dose at once vs. a slow time release.  Stick with 2 g lemon tek and see how that treats you, you can always up the dose next time your trip.

For anxiety reduction, meditate before hand and get into a good mindspace, take the mushrooms and lie down on a bed listening to good music that is trippy but not overly angry or sad and wait for the visuals to begin.  There may be some discomfort and racing thoughts, but remember that it will pass and continue to breath mindfully/continue meditation, after about 10-15 minutes if I am getting the jitters the mushrooms will have a crescendo of discomfort that suddenly just breaks into a wave of euphoria and good times, at this point you will be tripping balls and ready to just do whatever you want.   

Whatever you do, just accept the fact that you are tripping and that you can't untake the drug, and that any unpleasantness that you come across is only transitory.  Don't overthink it, at a 2g dose you should be fine.  People get into trouble when they get into a thought loop that they want to untake the drug and spend the whole trip fighting it.  You can't fight it, and as soon as you learn to accept that then the experience gets fun and interesting. 


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky] * 1
    #19240629 - 12/07/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't lemon tek if you're worried about anxiety and panic attacks.  :2cents:


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: DeeBee] * 1
    #19240728 - 12/07/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dont get hung up on all these methods. Just try them straight so you get a feel for the substance.

If the experience is stronger/weaker than expected you know its the mushroom and not some undefined element of the method of preparation, like too much heat, soaking time, lemon etc.

Simply chewing is the most natural method of ingestion and in my opinion the one that provides the gentlest onset of effects.

Using a technique that quickens the onset of effects like tea or lemontek can startle the psyche and make for a difficult come-up and or trip.

With chewing I have noticed that my body signals me when I have had enough as in making it really difficult to get more of it down.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19240763 - 12/07/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you want a less anxious experience then try to find some woodlovers like ovoids or cyans or at least some galindoi or mexicana truffles, all of those provide trips with way less bad juju IMO.  :shrug:




Is there any science behind that or just your experience with different shrooms? Mushrooms tend to make me feel relaxed, but i have a Friend who doesn't like the come up.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #19240787 - 12/07/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with Tripsurfer and recommend just eating kinda slowly and chewing thoroughly seems to work best for me


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: Bubbles85]
    #19242153 - 12/07/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you want a less anxious experience then try to find some woodlovers like ovoids or cyans or at least some galindoi or mexicana truffles, all of those provide trips with way less bad juju IMO.  :shrug:




Is there any science behind that or just your experience with different shrooms? Mushrooms tend to make me feel relaxed, but i have a Friend who doesn't like the come up.





There are different levels of the different tryptamines (psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin plus unique chemicals in certain species)and their effects have not been properly studied to where we could give a definitive answer on how they effect the trip.  I can say from extensive use of both cubes and a wide variety of woodlovers that personally, woodlovers like cyans and ovoids give me less bodyload, less anxiety and a more profoundly visual trip, whereas cubes tend to give me a speedy, high tension trip with a lot of mind-fuck and bad juju. 

As to prep method, use this tek for close to zero bodyload with a nice quick come-up and a good experience.  No fasting necessary.  I have a weak stomach and eating the mushrooms makes me nearly puke every time and I spend the first 2-3 hours just feeling like I want to puke and hating the trip.  After discovering tea, I don't know why anybody would do otherwise.  The trick is using acidic water, with plain water the tryptamines don't go into solution properly and you can lose potency, if you use acidic water the compounds are thermostable and you won't lose any potency even with bringing the tea to a boil for a few minutes.  You extract 100% of the active compounds and can throw away the mushrooms after you've squeezed them dry.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19243200 - 12/08/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have a complete opposite experience. Cubes make me feel super mellow and even sleepy. Unless I overdo it I yawn myself into this couchlocked dreamstate. Spending hours looking at my hands and thinking thangs. Love it!

I used to chew the shrooms, then moved onto tea. Using tea for the first time was a bit like an epiphany. But after a while even that became gross and now I use capsulated powder  :shrug:

Bodyload is pretty much the same for me with all methods.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #19245835 - 12/08/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I started out by just chewing the mushrooms slowly, but nowadays I grind them to a powder in a coffee grinder and make tea. Cool the water for a few minutes if you do this. A little while ago I added the water right off the boil and the tea lost most of its potency. I suspect the psilocin oxidized because the tea turned a deep blue color- this doesn't usually happen when I make tea with cooler water.

Interestingly, last time I added a squeeze of lemon juice to the water before pouring in the cup (again right off the boil), and the tea was fine, no blue color and full potency. I used about 1 tsp lemon juice in 6 oz. water, so a much lower citric acid concentration than proper lemon tek, but maybe the citric acid is inhibiting an oxidase enzyme, kind of like when you dip cut apples in acidulated water to prevent browning.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: DetectiveLefty]
    #19245975 - 12/08/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I started out by just chewing the mushrooms slowly, but nowadays I grind them to a powder in a coffee grinder and make tea. Cool the water for a few minutes if you do this. A little while ago I added the water right off the boil and the tea lost most of its potency. I suspect the psilocin oxidized because the tea turned a deep blue color- this doesn't usually happen when I make tea with cooler water.

Interestingly, last time I added a squeeze of lemon juice to the water before pouring in the cup (again right off the boil), and the tea was fine, no blue color and full potency. I used about 1 tsp lemon juice in 6 oz. water, so a much lower citric acid concentration than proper lemon tek, but maybe the citric acid is inhibiting an oxidase enzyme, kind of like when you dip cut apples in acidulated water to prevent browning.




That's exactly what happened, instead of using cooler water, which may fail to dissolve all of the active ingredients, you should soak the mushrooms in lemon or OJ ahead of time then add it all to cool water and slowly bring the tea to a boil.  That method will extract all of the indoles without any loss of potency. 
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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19246341 - 12/08/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lemon tek taste the best and makes it easier to go down. Seems easier on the stomach to so no nausea for me. Good luck on whatever route you take.


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Re: First time question; tea, lemon tekk or straight? [Re: aw11driver]
    #19246457 - 12/08/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lemon tek taste the best and makes it easier to go down. Seems easier on the stomach to so no nausea for me. Good luck on whatever route you take.



For people with weak stomachs the pure lemon is too acidic, which is why I use OJ and brew tea.  With tea also, you don't have to consume the mushrooms.  Either way is infinitely superior to chewing dried mushrooms IMO. :lol:


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