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EternalCowabunga
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Has money made you happier, or just complicated things more?
Is the pursuit of social status a trap.. an idea best left behind and forgotten? Once you buy all this nice stuff you have to maintain it and keep it shiny. You get to impress your peers but the race never ends... You'll be chasing the carrot forever
This is just how it feels to me right now. I gotta figure out who I am and what my priorities are.
I bought a vehicle and the fendor got broken the first day of owning it. I just taped it up and spray painted over it.
I was fine with that until someone suggested I go get it repaired. I didn't mind that it wasn't perfect, now it had some character which matches my personality. I accept that I am flawed so why shouldn't the things I "own" be flawed as well.
Shit, I just want to be happy. Grass is always greener but it looks like a more simple life is the path to happiness.
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EternalCowabunga said: Has money made you happier, or just complicated things more?
Is the pursuit of social status a trap.. an idea best left behind and forgotten? Once you buy all this nice stuff you have to maintain it and keep it shiny. You get to impress your peers but the race never ends... You'll be chasing the carrot forever
This is just how it feels to me right now. I gotta figure out who I am and what my priorities are.
I bought a vehicle and the fendor got broken the first day of owning it. I just taped it up and spray painted over it.
I was fine with that until someone suggested I go get it repaired. I didn't mind that it wasn't perfect, now it had some character which matches my personality. I accept that I am flawed so why shouldn't the things I "own" be flawed as well.
Shit, I just want to be happy. Grass is always greener but it looks like a more simple life is the path to happiness.
The grass is only greener because it's fertilized with all the bullshit people are spewing about it...
I don't know how old you are, but I'm 25 and its become very apparent to me that this indeed is no longer the world my parents grew up in. The models of social success that they were brought up in and consequently have tried to mold us into is no longer feasible or realistic.
I try my hardest not to judge myself by those standards, but, enculturation runs just as deep if not deeper than the very wisdom that shakes it to its core... That likely effects my happiness more negatively that anything else in my life...
Ultimately, it is up to ourselves to find what works for us and make our own peace and place in this world in which not a single person isn't lost... And as always... I imagine I will figure it out more as I age and wish I would have known right now what I know then in those regards...
No, money has not made me happy. Much more primitive and raw things do.
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Unfortunately due to overpopulation, despite having the technology to live easy lives money is really the only way to free yourself up from excessive toil. In that regard it can help IMO. However I think things such as fancy cars and excessively large living spaces are not worth the effort and will not really make you any less stressed.
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Unless the large, luxury car is fully armored. PM me for reasonable rates.
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it is funny how you jump over everything so easily to force nothing but yourself
how can you negate the value of money to state it as a negative thing, what is the relation between money and social life ??? there isn't ..
if you want to speak about money why don't you define it first objectively
money is not a subjective mean, it is the most thing that looks hundred percent as it is
money is to objective rights ... only through money everything would look positive reality sources .. while in depth the concept of objective rights is hundred percent true, which include what persons might have given to else ... so what wont increase its own self realities nor own freedom present facts ...
that is why, money is never a subjective thing, self identity is freedom, the more one is doing things alone, like himself life, the more he would sense being rich ... but money is a fundamental reason of plural free entities rights relations in positive existence ways, source of constant free realities of superior values ...
who recognize else beings value, is then truly existing, since able to realize else existence being real, then it is normal how he should be supported to be in positive conditions, by being truly existing freedom sources ...
stop meaning to justify religions means, they are all evil.. right is the reverse ..
Edited by absols (12/07/13 03:36 AM)
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Icelander
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Within this culture it has made me somewhat happier.
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of course ! what else but money gives us to act and be independent ??
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Re: Money [Re: absols]
#19239744 - 12/07/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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As I am about to commit a fair amount (well hopefully I got a good deal) on a distressed garbage heap of a property, I have mixed emotions about spending this money. But if it sits what good is that, you can't make money letting it sit. You sure won't make money spending it on bullshit tech crap and the latest car or clothes.
Speculation is just that, risking money to make money. Gambling. Then the work aspect, already there I am cleaning out garbage just to get a few nice enough pictures for insurance purposes. But also the place effing stinks, how can fucking people literally shit in 5 gallon buckets? Granted, they had a toilet first to fill with shit, and the buckets came after. And sure, they had a toilet seat over the 5 gallon pail.
But when the videos laying around are shit like "Scat Fantasies" well what could I really expect? The shit in the buckets was probably for some tweeker scat orgy when they really got gacked up.
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I bought an old semi-detached place 8 years ago, and cut the connected roof with a chainsaw (on my side) then hauled away the residue of infested 90 year old rat trap, built a new love nest. we have it listed... see what happens.
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redgreenvines said: I bought an old semi-detached place 8 years ago, and cut the connected roof with a chainsaw (on my side) then hauled away the residue of infested 90 year old rat trap, built a new love nest. we have it listed... see what happens.
You sound like a real craftsman. Or a real tool. Chain saw?
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It started with an architect, but the first tool was a chainsaw along the roof. then demolition, excavation, footing, foundation steel block more steel etc... my effort included ideas, planning, coordination and chequebooking
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I firmly believe that happiness cannot be achieved from any external factors such as money, possessions, relationships, social status, etc . Happiness always comes from within.
Make no mistake with the difference between joy and happiness. I do not deny that money and possessions can bring joy, but joy is very temporary whereas happiness is longstanding. Happiness comes from the freedom of desire, but fulfilling your desires only gives a temporary joy followed by desire for more. Therefore, in order to find happiness, one must abstain from desires and learn to appreciate simplicity.
As I said before, happiness always comes from within. Don't try to find it in the things you buy or the people around you.
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WScott
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Wowbagger said: I firmly believe that happiness cannot be achieved from any external factors such as money, possessions, relationships, social status, etc . Happiness always comes from within.
Wrong.
Happiness is achieved by living in a country where you only have to work 29 hours a week.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Money [Re: WScott]
#19241827 - 12/07/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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29hrs per week would be way better than 50
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redgreenvines said: 29hrs per week would be way better than 50
Everyone has the right to refuse working those sort of hours in the industrial world
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EternalCowabunga said: Has money made you happier, or just complicated things more?
Is the pursuit of social status a trap.. an idea best left behind and forgotten? Once you buy all this nice stuff you have to maintain it and keep it shiny. You get to impress your peers but the race never ends... You'll be chasing the carrot forever
This is just how it feels to me right now. I gotta figure out who I am and what my priorities are.
I bought a vehicle and the fendor got broken the first day of owning it. I just taped it up and spray painted over it.
I was fine with that until someone suggested I go get it repaired. I didn't mind that it wasn't perfect, now it had some character which matches my personality. I accept that I am flawed so why shouldn't the things I "own" be flawed as well.
Shit, I just want to be happy. Grass is always greener but it looks like a more simple life is the path to happiness.
I spent my youth working as much as possible and saving every dime. Always had larger goals in mind. Then I finally burnt out, or rather, lost my drive. But because I had that large lump of savings and long dependeble work record I was able to drop to 20 hours a week at a decent wage. It pays all my bills but gives no leisure money at all. But with my savings I have no reservations in going out for a nice meal or buying an new piece of technology every few years. I've had a few car repairs over time too and I can cover them.
If I had been loose with my money when I burnt out I would have had to buck up and work hard anyways. Instead I have a very relaxed lifestyle with no financial trouble to go with. I still manage my money wisely but its a mostly passive endeavor that I don't have to think about. Just don't buy what I don't need. Simple. And when I do find something I want I give it time. Usually its a brief impulse and fades away, just like joy after purchasing.
All in all frugal spending and working as much as possible for years has paid off by buying free time when it is very valuable for me.
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I am happy that I can exchange currency for bread with a man dedicated to baking or likewise with butchery; as much as I love DIY i'm grateful for these luxuries.
I can get around, it just saddens me at times that no matter how much I work i'll never be able to acquire a vast amount to properly do something with it. i'm not even opposed of capitalism but I wish I was born earlier, every niche is taken (or so it seems) or there's monopolization.
oh well.
Edited by Beanhead (12/07/13 09:34 PM)
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absols
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Wowbagger said: I firmly believe that happiness cannot be achieved from any external factors such as money, possessions, relationships, social status, etc . Happiness always comes from within.
Make no mistake with the difference between joy and happiness. I do not deny that money and possessions can bring joy, but joy is very temporary whereas happiness is longstanding. Happiness comes from the freedom of desire, but fulfilling your desires only gives a temporary joy followed by desire for more. Therefore, in order to find happiness, one must abstain from desires and learn to appreciate simplicity.
As I said before, happiness always comes from within. Don't try to find it in the things you buy or the people around you.
if happiness is within, it doesn't make outside nothing or negative thing .. on the contrary.. what is good not only within but out too, the within become living so much more producer of happiness ..
exactly like what others are opposed to or willing to take from one, the within loose its positive attribute as it works only as objective right to be free from everything else, when freedom is not an objective fact then it is impossible to be ownself ..
it is funny how you mean to abuse something for its reverse
like you are pointing the depth of being as if you accept that anyone is free from else, and what you are suggesting that what you gain from others don't matter ... while the fact of your mean is to support the argument that state all as one confusion, for god powers over everyone lie being his property by force
Edited by absols (12/08/13 12:33 AM)
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Icelander
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redgreenvines said: 29hrs per week would be way better than 50
I've almost never worked more that 30 hours a week in my life. What's wrong with you people
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Re: Money [Re: Kickle]
#19243585 - 12/08/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kickle said:
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EternalCowabunga said: Has money made you happier, or just complicated things more?
Is the pursuit of social status a trap.. an idea best left behind and forgotten? Once you buy all this nice stuff you have to maintain it and keep it shiny. You get to impress your peers but the race never ends... You'll be chasing the carrot forever
This is just how it feels to me right now. I gotta figure out who I am and what my priorities are.
I bought a vehicle and the fendor got broken the first day of owning it. I just taped it up and spray painted over it.
I was fine with that until someone suggested I go get it repaired. I didn't mind that it wasn't perfect, now it had some character which matches my personality. I accept that I am flawed so why shouldn't the things I "own" be flawed as well.
Shit, I just want to be happy. Grass is always greener but it looks like a more simple life is the path to happiness.
I spent my youth working as much as possible and saving every dime. Always had larger goals in mind. Then I finally burnt out, or rather, lost my drive. But because I had that large lump of savings and long dependeble work record I was able to drop to 20 hours a week at a decent wage. It pays all my bills but gives no leisure money at all. But with my savings I have no reservations in going out for a nice meal or buying an new piece of technology every few years. I've had a few car repairs over time too and I can cover them.
If I had been loose with my money when I burnt out I would have had to buck up and work hard anyways. Instead I have a very relaxed lifestyle with no financial trouble to go with. I still manage my money wisely but its a mostly passive endeavor that I don't have to think about. Just don't buy what I don't need. Simple. And when I do find something I want I give it time. Usually its a brief impulse and fades away, just like joy after purchasing.
All in all frugal spending and working as much as possible for years has paid off by buying free time when it is very valuable for me.
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redgreenvines said: 29hrs per week would be way better than 50
I've almost never worked more that 30 hours a week in my life. What's wrong with you people
But what if God rested on the third or fourth day?
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Re: Money [Re: WScott]
#19245501 - 12/08/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No skin off my nose.
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I don't need money, but I want it. I don't need a social status, but I want a powerful one.
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Studies have indicated that happiness is correlated with salary up to around $75,000 per year--after that point one may make more money but one's happiness will generally not increase any further.
So to a certain extent, money will help make you happy--it's nice to be able to not starve, have a shelter against the elements, and not constantly have to worry about survival. But I doubt the megabillionaire with his fleet of jets is necessarily any happier than your average middle-class guy.
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deCypher said: Studies have indicated that happiness is correlated with salary up to around $75,000 per year--after that point one may make more money but one's happiness will generally not increase any further.
So to a certain extent, money will help make you happy--it's nice to be able to not starve, have a shelter against the elements, and not constantly have to worry about survival. But I doubt the megabillionaire with his fleet of jets is necessarily any happier than your average middle-class guy. 
What is happiness?
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Repertoire89 said: What is happiness?
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the study points out that there are actually two types of happiness. There's your changeable, day-to-day mood: whether you're stressed or blue or feeling emotionally sound. Then there's the deeper satisfaction you feel about the way your life is going โ the kind of thing Tony Robbins tries to teach you. While having an income above the magic $75,000 cutoff doesn't seem to have an impact on the former (emotional well-being), it definitely improves people's Robbins-like life satisfaction. In other words, the more people make above $75,000, the more they feel their life is working out on the whole. But it doesn't make them any more jovial in the mornings.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2019628,00.html
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