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Mushroom or Contamination?
    #19238592 - 12/06/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm trying to get my first successful flush. Most of the first 8 jars didn't colonize. One was contaminated. One is okay. And this one has an orange/brown spot on it. Is this a mushroom starting to grow inside the jar or is it contamination?

I'm using the modified PF Tec as outlined in the Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook. I have another 8 jars in the incubation chamber and they all look great. But I'm not sure about this one which is currently under the grow light and has been for about a week to a week and a half.

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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Ethos]
    #19239454 - 12/07/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No good.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19239468 - 12/07/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So it's contaminated? What is it, exactly? Any ideas what may have caused the contamination? Anything else you can tell me about it would be very much appreciated.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Ethos]
    #19239966 - 12/07/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It looks like a squished cap to me.  You say you've had it under a lamp for a week?  I've had jars with squinched up fruits like that when I let them go too long and they got more light than they should have. 

I'm still relatively new to the hobby, but I've got a background in clin micro.  Doesn't look contaminated to me, but I'd get a few more opinions.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #19240020 - 12/07/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The orange is metabolites but I don't believe it's mushroom mycelium producing them. You haven't noticed the texture of the mycelium or the smell being any different than the other cakes? I'm assuming you're growing Cubensis.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #19240902 - 12/07/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hope you're right. I was thinking the same thing. But I'm new too. This is my first attempt at growing.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19240934 - 12/07/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The orange is metabolites but I don't believe it's mushroom mycelium producing them. You haven't noticed the texture of the mycelium or the smell being any different than the other cakes? I'm assuming you're growing Cubensis.




I don't think I have enough experience to know if the mycelium is any different. It looks the same to me. But there is no smell coming from the jar. Other than that one spot, it pretty much looks healthy, as far as I can tell. And yes, Cubensis.

How can I know for sure if it's bad? Should I give it another week and see what happens or is that too risky? It's in the grow container with one other jar. And the other one seems fine.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Ethos]
    #19240947 - 12/07/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

could it be a patch of bacteria? there is a definite ring of metabolite around the area in question. could that be related to the growth of a cap?

If it was a cap I would assume that the cake was completely consolidated and there was room in the jar for fruiting. If that was the case did you notice it grow over the past day or two?

I think it would be hard to smell unless you had the cake completely out. the patch isnt that big.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Ethos]
    #19241238 - 12/07/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here's another picture. Maybe it will be clearer or better in some way.



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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: cannabinated]
    #19241267 - 12/07/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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could it be a patch of bacteria? there is a definite ring of metabolite around the area in question. could that be related to the growth of a cap?

If it was a cap I would assume that the cake was completely consolidated and there was room in the jar for fruiting. If that was the case did you notice it grow over the past day or two?

I think it would be hard to smell unless you had the cake completely out. the patch isnt that big.




The jar has mostly been covered except for the top, which is exposed to the light. I may have forgot to cover the jar for the first day or two.

If this is a cap, how long should it take for any mushrooms to start growing at the surface? So far, there's nothing growing out of the top.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Ethos]
    #19241433 - 12/07/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cakes will usually start pinning in vitro about the same time they would if birthed. I would at least forgo birthing it unless you see it starting to pin. I haven't seen anything exactly like that before so that can't say anything 100% certainty but if it were mine I would just toss it.

You might want to take a look at this thread

Edit: I can however tell you for certain it's not a mushroom cap and that's some kind of metabolites. That cake hasn't even started pinning.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19241560 - 12/07/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Cakes will usually start pinning in vitro about the same time they would if birthed. I would at least forgo birthing it unless you see it starting to pin. I haven't seen anything exactly like that before so that can't say anything 100% certainty but if it were mine I would just toss it.

You might want to take a look at this thread

Edit: I can however tell you for certain it's not a mushroom cap and that's some kind of metabolites. That cake hasn't even started pinning.




I'm new to this, so I'm going to need a little help. What is "pinning"? I assume it means primordia showing at the surface. I wasn't planning to remove the cakes from their jars. I'm using the modified PF Tek procedure where you leave the cakes in the jars and grow only off the top. The sides of the jars are covered to block the light.

Also, in the book I'm following, and in a popular video series, actually in all the information I've encountered so far, I haven't ever seen the word, "metabolite". So what are metabolites and are they bad?

Thanks for your help.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Ethos]
    #19241600 - 12/07/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Metabolites are chemicals produced by the fungi. It's normal for some mushroom metabolites to appear after full colonization. However they don't usually look like that. That looks more like the metabolites produced by some molds to me. Although all the mycelium is nice white I see no growth unique to mushroom mycelium so it could just as easily be mold mycelium growing in there in part or all of the jar.


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Re: Mushroom or Contamination? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19284145 - 12/16/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I ended up removing the jar from the grow container. Better to be safe than sorry. I'm down to one jar in the container. We'll see what happens to that one.

Thanks, everyone, for your help.


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