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SdudEval
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Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake....
#19238437 - 12/06/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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About two weeks old. It's hardwood pellets using lipa's tek. Just regular bags with a hole cut and transpore tape put over it. I'm guessing I need the hole to be bigger, maybe add another one?


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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19238473 - 12/06/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why are you guessing it needs more holes? Also, did you open the bag to take that picture? You shouldn't do that. Just let it do it's thing, it looks fine to me Shiitake likes to climb the walls of the bag.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Forrester]
#19238494 - 12/06/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Never open a bag to take a pic.
Two weeks is way young for shiitake. It should start popcorning in two more weeks and brown out a month after that.
Be patient my friend.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Jeff]
#19238645 - 12/06/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It almost looks like its popcorning already! It takes a month for mine to look like that. How much spawn was used?
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19238682 - 12/06/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did like 15 bags. I know not to open them but I was clean about it and don't mind losing 1 bag in trade for answers. I think I used less than a quart per bag. I did Enoki as well and that is slllllow.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19239578 - 12/07/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SdudEval said: I did like 15 bags. I know not to open them but I was clean about it and don't mind losing 1 bag in trade for answers. I think I used less than a quart per bag. I did Enoki as well and that is slllllow.
thanks guys.
Enokitake is actually pretty fast and should be ready to fruit in 2-4 weeks from inocluation.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19239671 - 12/07/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SdudEval said: I think I used less than a quart per bag. I did Enoki as well and that is slllllow.
thanks guys.
Weird, Enoki is usualy fast for me.
About the shiitake, what strain is it? I don't know how big you bag is but if you get weird shaped mushrooms of a very poor yield, try with less spawn next time.
Shiitake Mycelium do grow on the sides of the bags like oysters, it's ok. Let it brown and popcorn for at least 2 month after full colonization, then cold shock it, strip the bags off, wash the metabolites and don't forget to smash it around in the sink to show them that you're the boss here.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: BlackPeace]
#19244009 - 12/08/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah enoki tears through substrate for me. Just as fast if not faster than lions mane.
our shiitake shit for 4 months before we birth them, Sometimes longer.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: nanncee]
#19244040 - 12/08/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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nanncee said: our shiitake shit for 4 months before we birth them
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Forrester]
#19244631 - 12/08/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Forrester said:
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nanncee said: our shiitake shit for 4 months before we birth them

haha I guess that's what I get for not proof reading
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19335163 - 12/28/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, the first one is starting to brown. Out of 15, 5 of them look great. I think the others had trich or some kind of contam as my original grain to grain methods were garbage. That's all fixed now. What's next, wait until they completely brown? Are there any good step by step grow logs out there I missed?
also, one bag has a what looks like a little murder scene. Like red and stickiness. Just a small part.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19338121 - 12/28/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Red probably is not good.
As for the bags that are doing well try to keep the temperature as constant as you can. Once it is fully browned then it is time to fruit it. Shock it in the fridge overnight or soak it in cold water for a couple of hours. Both have been effective for me to induce pinning.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Jeff]
#19338629 - 12/28/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a shocking temp range? I might just toss them outside so I don't have to rearrange my beer 
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19338720 - 12/28/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SdudEval said: Is there a shocking temp range? I might just toss them outside so I don't have to rearrange my beer 
I've done that (and for that reason) 
Should be fine, even a 10 degree drop can work. As long as they're not going to get frozen solid or anything like that.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Forrester]
#19338803 - 12/28/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like Forrester said it really doesn't take that large of a temperature drop to induce pinning.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Jeff]
#19338880 - 12/28/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool, I'll probably take it from the 80 degree closet to the 60 degree back room.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19338916 - 12/28/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why are you keeping them at 80?
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Jeff]
#19339012 - 12/28/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't 70-80 good? They're sharing space with somethings that prefer higher temps.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19339055 - 12/28/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The higher temps aren't necessary for shiitake. They'll do fine at normal room temperatures.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Jeff]
#19339176 - 12/28/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jeff said: The higher temps aren't necessary for shiitake. They'll do fine at normal room temperatures.
For browning, will higher temps actually hurt? Or just not necessary? Never actually read anything about an upper limit, just kinda curious
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: Jeff]
#19339187 - 12/28/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The write up on here said 70-80 so I figured 80 would be better than 65. It's coming along nicely. Browning in 6 weeks.
Since we're talking lipa's. I'm about to do a couple Nameko with this tek and was wondering if boiling bran in the water I'm adding might help at all. Will it still contam since it isn't PCed? Worth doing? Stupid thought?
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19339209 - 12/28/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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...and spent coffee grounds for that matter.
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19339233 - 12/28/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SdudEval said: The write up on here said 70-80 so I figured 80 would be better than 65. It's coming along nicely. Browning in 6 weeks.
Since we're talking lipa's. I'm about to do a couple nameko with this tek and was wondering if boiling bran in the water I'm adding might help at all. Will it still contam since it isn't PCed? Worth doing? Stupid thought?
I wouldn't do it with nameko. When supplementing with bran, you really need to sterilize the whole substrate. Bran adds a lot of nutrition, which more easily contaminates, so it's general practice to fully sterilize any supplemented substrates and spawn them in front of a flow hood.
There are some species, reishi and oysters come to mind, where one might be able to get away with bran supplementation and only bucket-tek pasteurization, but I wouldn't try it with a weaker, less aggressive species like nameko.
Actually, here's a thread where I tried supplementing without sterilization. If you read it you can see some of the issues that may arise. Reishi defeated the bacteria that came - nameko will not.
Hope this helps
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Re: Fuzzy / Snowball Shiitake.... [Re: SdudEval]
#19339238 - 12/28/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SdudEval said: ...and spent coffee grounds for that matter.
Even more supplementation? Yeah, you will definitely have to sterilize and spawn in front of a flow hood. Or, very carefully, inside a SAB.
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