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Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek?
    #19237748 - 12/06/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did one grow with PF tek. Moved on to bulk once I saw the possibilities. I don't mean to be a dick, but, I rarely click on a thread if it claims to pertain to PF tek. Even worse when I am not sure and click and it is.  Bummer!

Why can't we have subforums for things such as mono tubs and casings and so on.  Meh. I just yawn all day at Brf cakes. It's like striking gold when I finally see a decent legit tub or tray grow.  Fuck me.  I'm drunk.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19237843 - 12/06/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

its a valid tek.
we just need to crack the whip harder on noobs.
grow serious, or suffer the contam-eqeunces.

no your not a bad person.
poor PF tek grows , bore us all.
your merely stating what we all know already.



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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19237911 - 12/06/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Try to put yourself in the mindset of a new grower.  You have just discovered mushroom cultivating and "pf tek"? Remember how excited you were about your new found hobby.

Then in your Internet searches you find the Shroomery. Not know anything of the nature of the website you make a post about your new hobby and your experiences or questions about pf tek. You have no idea these questions have been asked and these discussions have been made hundreds of times. You're new and excited and want to share in the experience with like minded individuals.

That's what the Shroomery is all about! It's not about you and what you like. It's about spreading the love and knowledge of the mushroom. It's about teaching others what we've learned as home mycoloigist. Let's all keep this in mind


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19238034 - 12/06/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^lol

we need a whip cracking boot camp regimen for noobs.
they should master grow skills like ninjas, and be " scale"
land , air and sea, rural or urban, indoors or out , and
experts, in the latest advancements.

there will be tests.
all basic holy tomes memorized.


the new age is,
the age of the " uber growers":thumbup::mushroom2:


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19238053 - 12/06/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seems like you gotta post a lot to get much from this board, so here i go...

Stromrider, thanks man.  OP, why are you here?  each person's opinion is as valid as the next's, but damn.  i admit my path is beginning like yours did, one pf grow then moving on after deriving tremendous knowledge from those that preceeded me, convincing me i can be successful at this game.  when people ask the same questions over and over, yes that gets old in any forum, but nothing is forcing you to read anything.  when you open a thread and find you aren't interested, what have you lost?  seven seconds you'll never get back?  should you not be grateful for that since it affords you the opportunity to feel like you struck gold every now and then?

jack

oh and i doubt you're a bad person  =]


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19238084 - 12/06/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, that's not why you're a bad person :smile:

I like the idea of sub-forums though.

I use cakes for testing.

I use SFD's and agar instead of dry verm layer and syringes though.

I know what you mean tho. It's like searching "three-way" on a porn site and getting mostly 2 guys and a girl.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19238110 - 12/06/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^Speaking of the search feature, OP.....


"monotub grow"


Just sayin'....


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19238125 - 12/06/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IMO (and what seems to be the general consensus) is that the PF-tek is outdated. I studied here for about 3 months before I attempted my first grow... during that time I bought a PC, plenty of quart jars, syringes, etc. and started off with tubs (monotub is an outdated name for the TEK anyway...who uses 'dubtubs' anymore?) and I'm so grateful that I didn't waste any time learning to grow not enough mushrooms.

This is all just my 2¢, and I probably sound like an asshole to a lot of people. I have loads of respect for RR, Roadkill, and the mycophiles who came before us, who taught the PF tek. I just feel like as time has gone by the community's methods have evolved to fit our needs.

So for anyone looking to get into growing...invest a little more money in the beginning...buy a pressure cooker. It's the only thing keeping you from growing enough mushrooms to share with your friends, have a nice personal stash, etc.

With all that said, I think it's our responsibility as 'people in the know' to try to direct as many new growers as possible towards jumping straight into 'bulk' (again, outdated).


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19238147 - 12/06/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Then in your Internet searches you find the Shroomery. Not know anything of the nature of the website you make a post about your new hobby and your experiences or questions about pf tek. You have no idea these questions have been asked and these discussions have been made hundreds of times. You're new and excited and want to share in the experience with like minded individuals.




Those lucky bastards. I didn't even realize that the forums were the best place here for info until I had already done my first pf tek :lol: Then I was too paranoid to make an account for a long time still.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19238212 - 12/06/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So for anyone looking to get into growing...invest a little more money in the beginning...buy a pressure cooker. It's the only thing keeping you from growing enough mushrooms to share with your friends, have a nice personal stash, etc.





I wish I had done this.....Yes, noobs, be brave.  I am about to convince myself that pf tek was unnecessary to grow these things.  Well, actually I haven't actually moved away from it yet, but my pressure cooker is in the mail, and I have everything else to start stockpiling.  That wouldn't happen with cakes....from all three flushes, I only got about an ounce maybe??  Probably a lot less...I pretty much ate them as they grew....


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: SizlChest]
    #19238312 - 12/06/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think doing the pf tek and casing the cakes is a good idea.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: happygolucky]
    #19238358 - 12/06/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the mother of noobs is always pregnant


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19238366 - 12/06/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

PF tek serves as an introduction to growing for someone that has absolutely no background in ideas of cultivation, sterile practices, ect...  I started with PF tek, and it sucked for me, as it does for most people.  Then I started casing my PF cakes and saw better results..  Franky, I was pretty happy with the yield I was getting for a long time with that method,  It was plenty for the amount my friends and I consumed.

Moving to bulk complicates life in a few ways, you are storing big bags of grain spawn, you need a pressure cooker, if your going bulk you may as well go big because the ingredients scale up nicely.  Next thing you know you are growing more than you need, and storing all the equipment/supplies and harvesting/cleaning so many fruit bodies that growing has become more of a job than a hobby.

Anyway, I respect all methods of growing.  And I dont blame you for not reading PF-tek posts, you are interested in more advanced studies and therefor the remedial topics dont interest you.  Perfectly natural.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: Irfan]
    #19238485 - 12/06/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think they should be separated as a sub-topic as well.  I am glad that there is so many people doing it, as it is much better than seeing "I bought this grow kit and something went wrong" threads.  I am still using pf tek as a side project to test things like environmental control and LC since I have plenty of agar cultures and am ready to start on medicinal mushrooms. 

For the record, I am having a much better time with the agar and g2g.  I would suggest it to anybody that is interested in keeping this as a hobby.  Also, I still PC my pf tek.  I've only had one unknown contam that kept a jar from colonizing 100% so i fruited it separately and turned out ok. 

I am sure I won't look at the pf tek stuff either after I have gotten everything I can from it.  I require more knowledge lol.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: Cheezymold]
    #19238948 - 12/06/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i agree with the sub forums as well some times it would be nice but is what it is.
OP no your not i get mad when i see all the old heads pushing pushing SGFC it is nice it is one of the best/cheap/easy but there not the only choice and its rather tunneling for the learning mind

had to add pf does have its purpose just like the damed sgfc


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: Gr13nMushDude]
    #19238968 - 12/06/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, if you don't feel like helping new growers, then don't. People have to start somewhere. Don't be one of those hypocritical asshole types, just because you've mastered it doesn't mean everyone else has.

Basic life principle, buddy.


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19239009 - 12/06/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DatIslandLife said:
Dude, if you don't feel like helping new growers, then don't. People have to start somewhere. Don't be one of those hypocritical asshole types, just because you've mastered it doesn't mean everyone else has.




This is where I would see a sub forum for PF going south... a lot of experienced growers wouldn't browse through it and there wouldn't be as much help for the people who need it the most. :shrug:


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Re: Am I a bad person for hating seeing thread upon thread related to PF tek? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19239210 - 12/07/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with everything the OP said. Personally, I started with tubs ad then worked with trays and even hanging bags of straw. I also tend to filter out posts to do with PF and BRF when I scan the forums.

Yes, sub-forums would be an awesome idea, given that for those of us interested in different styles of growing, PF Tek just clogs up the forums. So sub-forumsmake great sense.

Imagine in you were a beekeeper interested in Japanese-style, Warre or top-bar hivess, and 95% of the forum chat had to do with conventional Langstroth hives. You'd want a sub-forum for your hive type, right? It's essentially the samething here, except our "hives" are FC's and our "bees" are fungi. It just makes sense to categorize the forum by type of FC.

That said, the "search post" function is a useful filtering tool.


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