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DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs'
    #19235855 - 12/06/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When a woman called 911 earlier this year and begged deputies to rescue her from the five crazed young people destroying her home, her fear was palpable: "They're all going psycho ... help us, please."

Here's what deputies found when they arrived:

A young man in the front yard was convulsing, grunting, reaching for objects in the air that weren't there, and, as one deputy described, in a "zombie state of mind."

Inside the west Orange County home, a 17-year-old had wrapped herself in a vacuum cord so tightly that she couldn't move. She was convulsing, and her eyes were rolled back in her head.

Seventeen-year-old Krystopher Sansone was unconscious on the floor.

Another teen was standing in the living room in a semiconscious state, sweating profusely, and seemed to have "great strength" when deputies restrained him.

On the porch, a teenage girl was sitting on a swing, unable to talk to deputies.

All five were hospitalized, three in critical condition. Krystopher later died.

A few hours earlier, the teens had snorted so-called bath salts off a $10 bill.

'Tremendous growth'

Bath salts — synthetic drugs made of substances perceived to mimic the effects of cocaine, LSD or methamphetamine — are illegal in Florida.

But anyone can buy the drugs online, and recent arrests in Central Florida show people are still manufacturing the narcotic.

Federal authorities say bath salts — marketed under names such as "Ivory Wave," "Purple Wave" and "Vanilla Sky" — are increasingly popular among teens and young adults, as is synthetic marijuana, commonly known as "K2" or "Spice."

The drugs are marketed as legal highs, and manufacturers often label the items "not intended for human consumption" in an attempt to skirt drug laws.

Controlling — and banning — synthetic drugs has proved challenging for federal and state authorities. As soon as one substance is banned, manufacturers change their recipes.

Since 2009, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration has seen more than 200 varieties of synthetic drugs, said U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration Special Agent Alan Santos.

Seminole County undercover deputies who have bought the drugs said they've sent the items to a state lab only to find out the chemicals in those products were not specifically banned under Florida law.

So far, synthetic-drug abuse in Central Florida has not risen to the epidemic proportions prescription-drug abuse has.

In 2011, Florida's poison centers received 655 reports related to bath salts and synthetic marijuana across the state. After the drugs were banned by state law, the number of cases dropped to 468 in 2012.

But that doesn't mean synthetic-drug use is waning, authorities say.

"Synthetic drugs are definitely where we see such a tremendous growth and anticipate there to continue to be tremendous growth," said Danny Banks, the special agent in charge of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Orlando division.

In September, Marion County detectives uncovered a large synthetic-marijuana operation running out of a former doughnut shop.

In May, Volusia County deputies said they dismantled a drug ring responsible for distributing bath salts and synthetic marijuana.

Synthetic drugs have been linked to other crimes and deaths in Central Florida.

In October 2012, 18-year-old Anthony Moffa told troopers he took K2 before getting into his parents' car, drifting into the bike lane and killing Forrest Flaniken Jr., a Wycliffe Bible Translators executive who was training for a triathlon.

In August, Orlando police investigating the drowning of 16-year-old Brian Simkulak discovered the teen took a synthetic drug known as "25C" shortly before he walked into a lake in his backyard. The medical examiner ruled that synthetic-drug intoxication was a contributing factor in his death.

No idea what's in there

Law-enforcement and medical professionals say one of the most alarming characteristics of synthetic drugs is that there's no consistency in the production of the products. That means users have no idea what they are getting.

"These folks are treating our kids like guinea pigs," said the DEA's Santos.

And medical professionals say the drugs have some alarming behavioral side effects.

"Of all the kids that end up in the ER with taking these drugs, about 12 percent end up in psych hospitals," Orange-Osceola Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia said. "And it just doesn't go away. There are reports of people having weeks of abnormal behavior and psychosis."

Josef Thundiyil, an emergency-medicine physician and medical toxicologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center, said it's difficult to measure how many patients come into the ER because they took synthetic drugs.

Thundiyil said the patients who disclose that they have taken synthetic drugs can suffer from psychosis, elevated blood pressure and severe paranoia.

Garavaglia's office has seen at least six deaths in the last two years related to bath salts or synthetic marijuana.

Though Garavaglia ultimately ruled synthetic drugs were to blame for Krystopher's death, her office initially couldn't detect the drug the teen's system.

Garavaglia's office ended up taking a sample of the drug off the $10 bill the teens' snorted from and sent that off for testing. Then she was able to detect trace amounts of a synthetic drug in the teen's system.

Parents' efforts futile

The grief of losing their oldest child — a high-school senior who tucked his little sister into bed each night — was overwhelming for Tim and Lucy Sansone.

Today, many of their questions about their son's death, and the investigation, remain unanswered.

The Sansones knew Krystopher used drugs and did everything they could to get him help and to stop the abuse: They strip-searched him, bought their own drug-test kits and had him placed under the Marchman Act, a Florida law that allows relatives to obtain a judge's order to send a drug addict to treatment.

But synthetic drugs often do not show up on standard drug-testing kits, leaving parents like the Sansones feeling powerless. They think that's one reason the drug is so appealing: Users know they likely won't be caught.

The only charges stemming from the incident are in an unrelated case against one of the tenants in the house where Krystopher took the drugs.

The Sansones know it was Krystopher's choice to take drugs Feb. 10, but they are still looking for someone to be held accountable.

"Nothing that we do … is going to bring our son back," Lucy Sansone said. "But we as a community should be working toward getting those people off the streets."


Amy Pavuk
Orlando Sentinel
November 30, 2013
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-bath-salts-spice-k2-synthetics-20131130,0,1891118,full.story


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: Simplepowa]
    #19235873 - 12/06/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Holy fuck


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: LySergenociDe]
    #19235908 - 12/06/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh Jesus Christ somebody end this bullshit. No ones treating anyone like guinea pigs. These chemicals are labeled "not for human consumption". Your kids are eating them because of the dumbfucks who made the drug laws in the first place. If they were to ban all these too a percentage of people would move on to huffing gasoline


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19236554 - 12/06/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The DEA has decades-long treated us like guinea pigs by withholding truthful and safe use information. I'm much more at danger due to DEA actions than by those who circumvent those DEA actions. The DEA actions are the cause of all the problems across the board.


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: something cool] * 2
    #19237512 - 12/06/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Awwwww :frown: for a second I thought the title implied that the DEA was calling out their BigPharma cronies.


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: Simplepowa]
    #19237609 - 12/06/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey DEA, they're creating all these new drugs because YOU MADE THE GOOD ONES ILLEGAL.  YOU are to blame for these deaths.  You're all liars and murderers. 

Fuck you.















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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: Simplepowa]
    #19237668 - 12/06/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can we move past the zombie bullshit, please? There is no such thing as a zombie, except in works of fiction. I'm pretty sure most of the people who buy into zombies are the same people who buy into the Jesus Christ resurrection crap. Yes, yes, we all know that zombies make for great sensationalist news stories, but the last I checked people are capable of being delirious, intoxicated, psychotic, etc. No such thing as a zombie. Not even in Haiti, where our media says people are turned into "zombies". Oh? So people who have been part of the rituals have suddenly started craving brains, and have rotting flesh, a putrid odor, and have been dead by physicians' confirmations? I don't think so. Zombies make for good entertainment, but they have no basis in reality when it comes to news stories.


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #19237710 - 12/06/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Crazy to think that most those kids would still be alive and sane had the bath salts instead been LSD (or whatever chem of their choosing).

I believe a lot of peoples bad trips even happen because the things we learned in elementary school and church about them like they are gonna send you to hell or you're gonna go crazy.

But the truth is this will only ever get much worse.


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: Atrium] * 1
    #19239380 - 12/07/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was a zombie until I did drugs. Then I become a cool zombie.


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Re: DEA: New era of drug makers 'treating our kids like guinea pigs' [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #19243427 - 12/08/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
Hey DEA, they're creating all these new drugs because YOU MADE THE GOOD ONES ILLEGAL. 





My thought exactly learyfan. We know exactly how marijuana and LSD work in our bodies but they're illegal. And they couldn't hardly be any safer.


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