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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19237046 - 12/06/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

nope thats fine


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: cronicr]
    #19237104 - 12/06/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just gonna restart. Too many variables. Good learning experience, regardless.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19237141 - 12/06/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, hold out til ya see contams at least.

theres proof  a plenty,
that even the worst grows, can amaze ya sometimes.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: anne halonium]
    #19237177 - 12/06/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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well, hold out til ya see contams at least.

theres proof  a plenty,
that even the worst grows, can amaze ya sometimes.




will do, man.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19237227 - 12/06/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah bro just ride it out and get some more jars started in the mean time, keeping busy helps the patients party of it all, and since annies been so nice lately i'll even suggest you get some pp5's instead of jars they work great for cakes


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: cronicr]
    #19237451 - 12/06/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That aside, I finished the substrate. I used half pint Kerr jars, flipped the inner lid upside down, cut 4 small holes with a knife,



A drill works far better, and will be needed for making sure you're making the right sized holes in your SGFC.  At 12V black and decker and a drill bit set can be got at walmart for $25.
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duct taped them closed,



Micropore tape man, get it on a tape dispenser at CVS for $5.  Get 3M micropore tape, also called Nexcare Gentle Paper Tape.
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and poured the nutrients in. I wasn't being meticulous and I only wiped the top of one jar before inserting the dry vermiculite.




Wipe after doing dry verm barrier.  The point of wiping is to make sure no particles prevent the lid from creating a seal, opening a vector for contams.

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So I foiled up the jars and elevated them in the pot and steamed them for an hour. Now, they are waiting until I receive the spore syringe either today (unlikely because of snow) or Monday (maybe unlikely then, too).


If you are doing the steam bath method, do not make and sanitize the jar until you are ready to inoculate. Steam bathing is different than pressure cooking in that the temperatures needed for autoclaving something cannot be reached in a boiling pot due to thermal energy release in steam. Steam sanitation only zaps most of the microbials and stuns the rest, long enough for the mushroom mycelium to overtake the jar.

Autoclaving with a pressure cooker at 15PSI is the only way to achieve sufficient enough sterility for short term storage of BRF cakes.   
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So I steamed them and I can't inoculate them for at least 3 days and I don't know if not wiping the top of the jar before putting the dry vermiculite will really cause contamination (I didn't get the brown rice vermiculite mixture on the sides when pouring it in). I can restart if needbe, but I'd prefer not.

Opinions from credible PF tekers?


I would never trust a steam sanitized jar that wasnt knocked up immediately.  You've shortened the window that the mycelium has to colonize before the contams that werent killed by the steam recover and begin colonizing.

Good luck bro.  Hope it works out for ya. :mushroom2:


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19237483 - 12/06/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Very informative. Thank you. Couple questions.

What is SFGC? I'm new to all these acronyms lol
Next, do I have to restart the process and make a new substrate or can I just resterilize before I inoculate?


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19237502 - 12/06/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wipe after doing dry verm barrier.  The point of wiping is to make sure no particles prevent the lid from creating a seal, opening a vector for contams.




Wrong.

We wipe the inside 1/2" rim BEFORE applying the dry verm layer so contaminants cannot grow up/down the sides....we are only making sure it is dry.

Oh, and no tape is needed....the dry verm layer is your barrier.....duck tape will seal the jar and create a vacuum....which is bad.

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If you are doing the steam bath method, do not make and sanitize the jar until you are ready to inoculate. Steam bathing is different than pressure cooking in that the temperatures needed for autoclaving something cannot be reached in a boiling pot due to thermal energy release in steam. Steam sanitation only zaps most of the microbials and stuns the rest, long enough for the mushroom mycelium to overtake the jar.
Autoclaving with a pressure cooker at 15PSI is the only way to achieve sufficient enough sterility for short term storage of BRF cakes.



This is bullshit.

Steaming the jars sterilizes them, it does not sanitize them....dead is dead...whether accomplished with steam or pressure.

We usually recommend steaming cakes for 90 minutes minimum tho...not 60.

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I would never trust a steam sanitized jar that wasnt knocked up immediately.  You've shortened the window that the mycelium has to colonize before the contams that werent killed by the steam recover and begin colonizing.



Again, you cannot kill anything deader than dead.

This is not a race against contams....if that is the case then you have already lost, as most contams are much faster than our mycellium.

You can steam sterilize a cake for 90 minutes now, and knock it up in a month with total success.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19237511 - 12/06/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What is SFGC? I'm new to all these acronyms lol
Next, do I have to restart the process and make a new substrate or can I just resterilize before I inoculate?



SGFC = Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

I would sterilize them for a full 90 minutes now, and knock them up when you get time.

There is no time limit....within reason.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: PussyFart]
    #19240732 - 12/07/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you should read the tek, and follow it line for line, don't change anything...and if you don't have everything you need, get it before you try.  As a noob, it's hard enough getting it to work when you follow the tek to a "T", it's a lot harder if you change anything...


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: 1down5up]
    #19240751 - 12/07/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I do read the tek and I know you should follow it line-for-line, but you can't expect the instructions to make perfect sense the first time someone reads it - some pages required me to reread numerous times over and even then there is still some vagueness. To an experienced user, it'll make perfect sense. To the novice, not so much.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19241006 - 12/07/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

watch the video, it's a lot clearer, and very easy to follow.  In the video they show the verm in the bowl, then they add the water and mix well, then the BRF at the end...it just mixes easier that way. 

I wasn't tryin to shit on ya LittleDaddy...just trying to stress that you should follow it as closely as you can.



there are 4 parts, just watch'em, and you should have much better luck next time around...good luck

just realized the link opens in this page, and not youtube...just search the title on YT and you should get'm all


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: 1down5up]
    #19241503 - 12/07/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the recommendation on the video, I just watched them last night. I'm re sterilizing with no tape and am getting some micropore tape, so everything should be good for inoculation. I appreciate the advice.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19244508 - 12/08/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no worries man...like i said, i'm a noob myself.  I've watched them 5 or 6 times now....they're stellar teaching aids.

Keep us posted on how it goes!!


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: 1down5up]
    #19244926 - 12/08/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I ran an air filter called an intelli-pro for a couple hours in my room before inoculation. I then used a glove box to inoculate in. My first jar to fully colonize did so 20 days after first signs of germination. I have had no contaminants. I birthed my first cake ever, which reeked of mushroom, and spawned that bitch to bulk. Wish me luck. And I will do the same for you.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: happygolucky]
    #19245215 - 12/08/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This might help you out. It took me a few weeks to understand these things.

Spawning to bulk- This is what I was confusing with casing. Spawning to bulk is when a cake is crumbled or shredded and mixed with a bulk substrate, the most commonly used being coir and vermiculite, and put in a tray to finish colonizing then placed into fruiting, or placed in a monotub.

Casing- This is when a non-nutritive layer is used to cover the mycelial structure, such as vermiculite. Coir has nutrition in it, so would not be used as a casing material because you don't won't the casing to be colonized. It acts as a contamination barrier and like mulch. Cubes do not need to be cased.

Monotub- This is a large plastic bin that has large holes cut out of it and filled with polyfill. A piece of black plastic is placed in the bottom. Spawn is then placed in the tub with bulk substrate. The black plastic, from what I understand, acts to prevent water droplets from going down the sides onto the mycelium and creating pinning on the edges. This is a more automated setup than a sgfc.

Spawn- This is used for bulk substrates. Brf cakes can be used, but grain and wbs (wild bird seed) are more commonly used.

Bulk Substrate- This is mixed with spawn and used for larger grows than what can be achieved with cakes.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: happygolucky]
    #19254197 - 12/10/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, in lieu of the excessive snowfall - I haven't received my syringe. I have until January 6th to be able to cultivate these mushrooms because I don't want to have them in the dorm and it'll probably be around freezing outside, so my car is out of the question (as far as I know).

I originally planned to inoculate here about a week ago and then be able to birth it about two weeks into break, but that can't happen anymore. Assuming I get the package today, would 27 days be enough or should I just store the syringe and give up on it until the weather gets good and I can keep it in my car?


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19254451 - 12/10/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

27 days you might have enough time to colonize if things wents perfect


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: cronicr]
    #19254459 - 12/10/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm... is that worth a $20 syringe? I suppose I'd have all the materials for the next cultivation besides the syringe.


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Re: Beginner PF Tek, Need Reassurance [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19254566 - 12/10/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no it probly isn't worth taking to your dorm and getting kicked out for a few fruits


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