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certificates in information systems security and cisco
#19236559 - 12/06/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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would it be worth looking into these certificates? what sort of knowledge do you need prior to taking these courses? do you or someone you know have any of these? what are they doing now?
i could obtain both of these certificates in less than a year...
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19236626 - 12/06/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd say go for it. At the very least get a security certification. When it comes to the CIS field, security is one of the most in-demand skills. Companies NEED their networks secure.
I know for a fact the Department of Defense requires a security cert. I believe the CompTIA Security+.
And Cisco is a heavy-hitter in the router world and many companies use Cisco.
If you are serious about CIS, get every cert you can.
As for what you need to know, Cisco requires the completion of actual hands-on labs. That's about as far as my Cisco cert knowledge goes. The Security+ cert seems relatively easy. It's a test split up into, I believe, 5 "domains", ranging from questions on viruses to firewalls.
Good luck in whatever path you choose
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: ElVatoFirme]
#19236648 - 12/06/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks man! i signed up for financial aid and was approved for 15k and the job im at now allows for so much freedom during the day. the only thing that worries me is what i can do with just a CIS and if cisco is even needed. i also dont have a whole lot of knowledge when it comes to computers.
i mean, ive built my own pc from scratch, and i understand a little more than your average guy, but im just not that bright of a person in general.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19236740 - 12/06/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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To be honest, certs are almost necessary to have a chance of being hired. A lot of people are going for CIS degrees, then going out to find a job in the field. So you want something to separate yourself from everyone else. Also, employers see the certs as proof you know your stuff.
Cicso isn't needed. You'll do fine with simple router knowledge, as long as your aware of Cisco's presence.
If you're good at building PCs, though, the CompTIA A+ cert sounds like something you could pass with ease. It's a two part test. One part on the hardware of computers (processors, hard drives, ports, etc.), another part on the software (operating systems, managing them, setting them up, etc.).
But don't be so critical of your knowledge, bro. No one knows anything til they learn it. But if it eases your nerves any, I know many CIS people who excel in one area, but couldn't tell you where to begin in another. One guy could write any program you ask, but don't ask him to put a computer together because you'll end up with a pile of plastic and metal. And he worked for IBM for many years. So my advice is find the one area you're good at and stick with it. Someone out there will pay for those services. Top dollar if your good enough.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: ElVatoFirme]
#19236796 - 12/06/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmmm... well i was going to use the University of Phoenix, PHOENIX PROUD! i was also going to try and use up the entire 15k, but i guess that would be more that i would have to pay back. thanks man!
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19238658 - 12/06/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Er I would look into this. http://www.offensive-security.com/ Just as a side note ,What OS are you running?
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19240138 - 12/07/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not my thread, but thanks for the link. I had no idea a new pentest Linux was developed. I'll have to check Kali out. I've always loved BackTrack.
By the way, Not Responding, Linux is the way to go. Linux network admins can make up to $50/hr. But you got to know your stuff.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: ElVatoFirme]
#19241306 - 12/07/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm running win 7, but I had linux mint 15. I liked the smoothness, but there was a lot to learn and I didn't have the time at the time. Once I get the net back ill dual boot.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: ElVatoFirme]
#19242497 - 12/07/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kali is Backtrack but what would be version 6 instead of using ubuntu (debian for dummies) the developers used straight Debian as a base this time. Alas it is hard to not see Slackware as the base O.S. But all the tools are there.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19253137 - 12/09/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do it!!!
It depends what you are looking to get. Right off the bat I would go after CCNA and A+. My teachers at school say that from their students, they estimate CCNA alone gets them 10K extra salary. But than again this might totally differ for you seeing as how my program is world renown.
But in all honesty, certifications can mean the difference between a 30K salary, and a 50K salary, but it's not just limited to certs. Anyone can have a cert, but what it really comes down to is whether or not you can apply the knowledge in the field.
edit: Along with your certs, I strongly recommend you get some actual experience. As if you're in a job interview, and you and the person next to you have the same certs, but that person has more experience, they will most likely be chosen.
Right now I only have the A+ 701 and 702 series, but by Summer 2014 I'll have Linux+, CCNA, Microsoft 70-642, 70-645, Security+, Network+, RHEL, and a couple other ones. I'll probably be getting my Network+, Linux+ and Security+ in Spring 2014.
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ElVatoFirme said: As for what you need to know, Cisco requires the completion of actual hands-on labs.

I don't think it's hands on persay, if you are doing CCNA you are presented with a browser based, Packet Tracer esque style questions. Although this was before they changed the curriculum in August. Not quite sure if that counts as hands-on lab.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: deadwk]
#19253374 - 12/10/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ElVatoFirme said: As for what you need to know, Cisco requires the completion of actual hands-on labs.

I don't think it's hands on persay, if you are doing CCNA you are presented with a browser based, Packet Tracer esque style questions. Although this was before they changed the curriculum in August. Not quite sure if that counts as hands-on lab.
I was talking about the CCIE, arguably the most prestigious networking cert one can get. It's not all hands-on, but I believe half of it is. And from what I've heard it's TOUGH!
The CCNA is an excellent cert, too. Anything Cisco will give you a leg up.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: ElVatoFirme]
#19256443 - 12/10/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah that makes sense. Hands on labs are fun though, but can certainly be challenging.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19257892 - 12/10/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bro I just do this as a hobby but yea linux is the way to go even if your not involved in security. Piss on all that mint/ubuntu cotton candy shit a gui is nice but you gotta be comfortable in a terminal. Oh and btw who needs to pay for internet? (Please disregard that last comment as a figment of your imagination.)
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19259506 - 12/11/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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which cert should i go after first or should i take both at the same time?
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19259960 - 12/11/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really could not answer that, I'm self taught and do not even work in the field. My one suggestion is to start using a security aimed linux distro and learning what you can. on the side.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19260638 - 12/11/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cool, once i get the net back ill look into this. thanks!
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: Not Responding]
#19261610 - 12/11/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not Responding said: which cert should i go after first or should i take both at the same time?
This depends on your level of knowledge, and time you have to study. If you are more into computer networking than go for CCNA but this will take more devotion to obtain than A+.
If you are more into computer hardware, and don't want to commit as much as you would have to if you wanted to get your CCNA, go for the A+.
Either way in the end, you'll most likely need to have both your A+ and your CCNA so decide which is best to get first.
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Re: certificates in information systems security and cisco [Re: deadwk]
#19264810 - 12/12/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cool, thanks.
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