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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: akira_akuma]
#19235464 - 12/06/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: nah... not everyone does that. in it's purest form, prayer is devoid of thoughts, and is only on "the lord" (or however you call, which denomination one my be in)
and to be only "thinking of the lord", you'd have to be thinking pure thoughts... not selfish ones.
But if you are thinking ANY thoughts, even focused on your 'lord', it's not 'enlightenment'. Prayer suggests a purpose, enlightenment is just 'being'.
Not claiming to be definitely right, but enlightenment/pure awareness isn't something you can just will up. It's gonna happen either through practiced deep meditation or..drugs..
Edited by Thecrimson (12/06/13 08:56 AM)
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
#19235889 - 12/06/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think in todays fast food fast information age, no one has the time or the patience to be able to understand what is required to even understand "enlightenment".
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Middleman]
#19235945 - 12/06/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rev. Morton said: Live satsang with Mooji this Sunday @ 7AM PST. 
I love mooji!
Laughing buddha video makes me laugh till I cry every time
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Middleman]
#19236692 - 12/06/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rev. Morton said: Live satsang with Mooji this Sunday @ 7AM PST. 
awesome where will that be?
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
#19237968 - 12/06/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thecrimson said:
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akira_akuma said: nah... not everyone does that. in it's purest form, prayer is devoid of thoughts, and is only on "the lord" (or however you call, which denomination one my be in)
and to be only "thinking of the lord", you'd have to be thinking pure thoughts... not selfish ones.
But if you are thinking ANY thoughts, even focused on your 'lord', it's not 'enlightenment'. Prayer suggests a purpose, enlightenment is just 'being'.
Not claiming to be definitely right, but enlightenment/pure awareness isn't something you can just will up. It's gonna happen either through practiced deep meditation or..drugs..
you can't see that they are essentially the same thing? have you ever been to an Imam or Church? the prayer is to the lord, with no forethought... meaning, "nothingness". the practitioners who do prayer correctly, won't be asking for a bigger raise or a new boat.
or other trivial thoughts... they'll be contemplating nothingness towards thoughts of the lord.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Sse]
#19238864 - 12/06/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rev. Morton said: Live satsang with Mooji this Sunday @ 7AM PST. 
awesome where will that be?
Online: http://www.mooji.org/livesatsang/
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Middleman]
#19239877 - 12/07/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rev. Morton said:
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Rev. Morton said: Live satsang with Mooji this Sunday @ 7AM PST. 
awesome where will that be?
Online: http://www.mooji.org/livesatsang/
We're either talking about the same thing or we're not. I see prayer as more of a focused thought towards something. If they were truly experiencing the nothingness the world would be a different place.
And I like Mooji from what I've seen, but from the videos I've seen it seems like he keeps repeating himself.
Edited by Thecrimson (12/07/13 08:39 AM)
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
#19239930 - 12/07/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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both goals are the same though. you realize that past the nothingness there is infinite indivisible being? (or so i've heard)
that equates to both practices being innately about the same end goal.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
#19239950 - 12/07/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rev. Morton said: Live satsang with Mooji this Sunday @ 7AM PST. 
awesome where will that be?
Online: http://www.mooji.org/livesatsang/
We're either talking about the same thing or we're not. I see prayer as more of a focused thought towards something. If they were truly experiencing the nothingness the world would be a different place.
And I like Mooji from what I've seen, but from the videos I've seen it seems like he keeps repeating himself.
That's what all spiritual teachers do. I've had to listen to Jung, Nietzsche, Ram Dass, Adya, Mooji, Tolle, Campbell, Wilber, et al. literally hundreds of times before awakening began to happen.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: akira_akuma]
#19239949 - 12/07/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: both goals are the same though. you realize that past the nothingness there is infinite indivisible being? (or so i've heard)
that equates to both practices being innately about the same end goal.
I suppose, but it depends on if those people are actually experiencing that or just praising the idea.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Middleman]
#19239963 - 12/07/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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of course, that's true too.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Middleman]
#19241351 - 12/07/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thankie
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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