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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19235071 - 12/06/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I took my plastic out of the PC today and did some G2G transfers. Here's my findings so far:

Pro's:

-The grain transfers were especially easy. Im not saying that grain transfers are hard with glass jars mind you. But the general shape of the PP5 containers made the transfers smoother than normal. And that last bit of grain for that very last transfer in a glass jar, the one that hangs up on the shoulder of the jar...not an issue, it all just slides right out.

-Shaking the grain was very easy on my transfer jar. No banging. No phone book/tire/roll of duct tape. A couple of taps on the palm of my hand, and it was all loose.

Con's:

-Some of the bottoms of my containers warped. They still held up. But the bottoms on a few of them are not flat anymore. Surprisingly it was only the jars sitting on the top trivet that this happened to. And it was only about 3 of them.

-These containers dont stack well. You would think that due to their design, this would be a non issue. Historically I stack my glass 2-3 high while colonizing. Ive got these 3 high now, and I will be moving them into individual boxes. Overall they are "wobbly" when stacked. Nothing would probably tip them over, but Im not going to chance it.

-Im still not happy with the idea of only fitting 9 of these things in my PC. My schedule is tight, and I usually have to cook grain one day, PC the next, and then wait to do G2G the day after that. Its a 3 day process every time. And when I fire up the flow hood, I would rather inoculate 14 jars than 9.



I havent written plastic off yet. I see some of its merit. But Im still not sold on the idea, and Im not sure if its right for me.




i want you to pc pp5 plastic containers 100x plus like i have my glass quart reg mouth jars and tell me they are the same shape/consistency as my glass jars. and thats with me beating the fuck out of them on my hands,tires, or phone books and tell me they hold up the same.

100 bucks says they wont last near as long as glass period.

glass jars will last a hell of alot longer in the long run.

guaranteed.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19235072 - 12/06/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and that includes me sterilizing grains in the same jars i pasteurize in also.

i find it hard to believe.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19235413 - 12/06/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They are zip-loc brand. And there was water left in the bottom of the PC.
: dumbass : Come on now...Ive done this a few times before.



Am I wrong in recalling that the point here is that you've Not dealt with these plastic containers before?
Don't be a dick calling me a dumbass.  I could easily turn around and call you one for being so assured of yourself despite messing up the good containers somehow when it's proven they survive proper PC without error.

I've had containers that have for sure been PC'd over 70 times. They still have their perfect shape just right and lids go on and off perfectly.
Only visible wear is scratches from occasionally using scrubbies to clean them.

Of the ~300 containers I have and the probably 15-20 cooker runs they've had on average, estimating a total of ~4000 runs amongst them for the lot,  I have NEVER, NEVER, EVER warped Ziploc containers without having the heat too high too long with too little water.

Melting/warping a container in a proper cook is like a marijuana overdose.

Try again.
I'm glad you like those pros of them.  The 'cons' are not the container's doing so if you get that worked out you'll get to fully enjoy the pros.


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100 bucks says they wont last near as long as glass period.
glass jars will last a hell of alot longer in the long run.
guaranteed.



Is this to me?
If so, PM me to get my address so you can send me that $100.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19235465 - 12/06/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i have PP5 containers from 2003 that i still use.
the durability is outstanding

the only mystery here,
is why peeps who unable to boil plastics,
are taken seriously on any level.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19235556 - 12/06/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Now, I've always been a big advocate of glass in general. Especially the jar. Airtight stash for almost anything. But it has one major weakness. You drop that shit in the kitchen and you better have shoes on. Even then, there always seems to be the elusive shard just waiting, viciously hiding. I haven't dropped a whole dozen yet, somehow.

If someone was inclined to try a Violet TEK, like myself, there wouldn't be any violent shaking needed on the vast majority of PP5's (as long as you don't let your spawn turn to rubber). Especially if spawning from glass, and loading rather light, as I do. So that's not going to wear them out.

twistedty, I've cooked many of them and never had a problem with them melting. Sometimes they stick together when stacked up in there, but that's kind of neat and not really a problem. I work on a smaller propane stove and crank it all the way up until it's fully pressurized. You have the spacer in the bottom of your PC, right? My only other thought would be to turn the heat down a little.

Once someone has experience with PP5, I think they would on average last longer than glass. Peace.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
    #19235697 - 12/06/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't be a dick calling me a dumbass.




You miss take my tone. I'm not attacking you.

Quote:

Am I wrong in recalling that the point here is that you've Not dealt with these plastic containers before?




You're not wrong. As I stated earlier, I'm giving them an honest try. What I wrote is what my experience thus far has been.

Further, I'm not a new grower. I know how my PC works. The only new component here is the plastic.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19235714 - 12/06/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and yet, many of us have no issue...........

this is like noobs that always blame the spore dealer.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19235822 - 12/06/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer glass than plastic, the reason being is they are more earth friendly. PP5 can't be recycled at every recycling facility thus I find it to be garbage. The return rate on PP5 is hovering at about 50-60%, while glass is 100% recyclable. I've only had one jar break on me and that was because it was soapy and it slipped. But somewhere in this world those glass pieces were recycled and made into something else.

I only use pp5 for leftovers...:super:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19235874 - 12/06/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I prefer glass than plastic, the reason being is they are more earth friendly. PP5 can't be recycled at every recycling facility thus I find it to be garbage. The return rate on PP5 is hovering at about 50-60%, while glass is 100% recyclable. I've only had one jar break on me and that was because it was soapy and it slipped. But somewhere in this world those glass pieces were recycled and made into something else.

I only use pp5 for leftovers...:super:




and yet, the extra energy used over the life of your glass,
is ignored..........

ill assume ya use mercury tube lights in your grow also.

cherry picking green, isnt green really. its green washing.
your grow green factor, is measured by total energy, waste,
and usable lifespan.

running an energy hog grow, and making recyclable glass,
your cornerstone of green, is narrow indeed.

fact remains, pP5 is recyclable
the return rate is low, cuz it lasts.
something NOT recycled, cuz its still in use,
hence, the savings increase.


peeps often only see the short term.
many peeps, will move residence during their lifetime hobby.
sometimes, many moves.

a massive PP5 farm, can go in a hockey bag,
and be kicked to a new place.
a similar glass farm, is a bitch to move.

keep in mind , in desperate moments,
a PP5 farm, can not only move fast, but it can be destroyed.

noise factor , means little to barn growers.
urban growers, know if your apt sounds like a resturaunt,
its NOT good..............think they cant hear your case of jars?
they do, but it sounds like normal household.
now try washing and racking 10 cases or more.
its a big noise deal on glass in urban areas.
pp5, makes ya a 500 cup ninja.

i used glass for the first 20 yrs of growing.
last 15 we shifted to all plastic.
i consider it one of my best top 5 grow decisions EVER.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19235947 - 12/06/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

nn-IlliniSpiralDMT said:
I prefer glass than plastic, the reason being is they are more earth friendly. PP5 can't be recycled at every recycling facility thus I find it to be garbage. The return rate on PP5 is hovering at about 50-60%, while glass is 100% recyclable. I've only had one jar break on me and that was because it was soapy and it slipped. But somewhere in this world those glass pieces were recycled and made into something else.

I only use pp5 for leftovers...:super:




and yet, the extra energy used over the life of your glass,
is ignored..........

ill assume ya use mercury tube lights in your grow also.

cherry picking green, isnt green really. its green washing.
your grow green factor, is measured by total energy, waste,
and usable lifespan.

the return rate is low, cuz it lasts.
something NOT recycled, cuz its still in use,
hence, the savings increase.




Extra energy is not ignored, even if I have were to PC pp5 I would still PC them for 60-90 minutes, I've gotten away with PCing my glass jars for 45 minutes, I just like to be extra careful. On top of that I read that only a small amount of pp5 containers can fit in a PC and you even said to use double the PCs to compensate, well by definition then you are not really not saving any energy but rather using more for the same results. Regardless what you say plastic NEVER decomposes or degrades in ANY SHAPE OR FORM. The first plastic invented is still garbage and will always be garbage, that's were the GREEN factor comes in MAM. My glass can be recycled and reused an infinite amount of times while your containers are stuck in a landfill or ocean somewhere. I don't care that I use more energy to PC that's my choice, just likes it is my choice to not buy plastic items if I can avoid it. I use hemp shopping bags, I buy natural toothpaste in a non plastic container, I buy glass maple syrup containers... I try to avoid plastic. Growing mushrooms is a hobby, while being eco friendly is my lifestyle. I'm not knocking the PP5 containers, just merely giving my opinion. Whatever works for you...works for you, I can't deny that.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19235972 - 12/06/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

likewise.

small style infrequent cultivators,
can do about anything, and it doesnt matter alot.

those interested in serious scale, in urban environments,
and are concerned with , heat, power, time and green factors,
the choices become a big deal.


grow equip engineering, is not universal,
and it shouldnt be.
but a wide range of equip choices , allows for new dynamics.
consider, what can be done.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19235974 - 12/06/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

alright lets all just use aluminum containers. They're more recyclable than glass. They use less water to recycle than glass, they weigh less than glass so saves energy on freight, more people recycle aluminum than glass, most aluminum is more than 60% recycled unless virgin aluminum is used for a specific application, you can't see through it so you'll have to wait for full colonization times and not fuck with your jars too often which teaches patience, aluminum will conduct heat better, and finally you'll never break that shit when you shake your grains and it's never going to deform in a PC.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19235996 - 12/06/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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alright lets all just use aluminum containers. They're more recyclable than glass. They use less water to recycle than glass, they weigh less than glass so saves energy on freight, more people recycle aluminum than glass, most aluminum is more than 60% recycled unless virgin aluminum is used for a specific application, you can't see through it so you'll have to wait for full colonization times and not fuck with your jars too often which teaches patience, aluminum will conduct heat better, and finally you'll never break that shit when you shake your grains and it's never going to deform in a PC.




Too bad the mycelium would eat right through those:curbyourenthusiasm:
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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19236019 - 12/06/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:epicfailguy:
right,
shit.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19236024 - 12/06/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

bods being funny.
i know he knows better.

if peeps like glass, its fine, it does work.
small grows it may have advantage sometimes.

thing is, theres a breakthru/ stall point,
as grows progress from small to scale,
and in scale grows, there are logistics issues.

this is where equip, teks, and grow engineering count.
and choices, make BIG difference, in time, and energy, in scale.

ironically , my preference for everything is polycabronate.
and i have alot of it.
an entire polycarbonate scale farm, would exceed even my $ ......
oh who am i kidding, i also have a polycarbonate farm,
point is, i use the PP5 mostly cuz.......well the polycarbonate is kinda too cool to scratch.lol.

polycarbonate, is kinda like "the good china" here.

( shhhhh, although i dont use it, i secretly have a full set of 36 of 1/2pint shorts, 36 pint shorts , 36 pint talls, and 36 quarts, all in cases, packed with foam.............)




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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19236066 - 12/06/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
:epicfailguy:
right,
shit.




Quote:

anne halonium said:
bods being funny.
i know he knows better.

if peeps like glass, its fine, it does work.
small grows it may have advantage sometimes.

thing is, theres a breakthru/ stall point,
as grows progress from small to scale,
and in scale grows, there are logistics issues.

this is where equip, teks, and grow engineering count.
and choices, make BIG difference, in time, and energy, in scale.

ironically , my preference for everything is polycabronate.
and i have alot of it.
an entire polycarbonate scale farm, would exceed even my $ ......
oh who am i kidding, i also have a polycarbonate farm,
point is, i use the PP5 mostly cuz.......well the polycarbonate is kinda too cool to scratch.lol.






I know he is just joking, I was just pulling his tale a little:lmafo:

Exactly Anne, I understand you have a large op, but for us that do maybe 20-30 quarts a month, it's just easier to use glass. I respect the pp5:thumbup: and the V-tek. By the way I really do like the V-tek name, whoever coined it that.

To each their own, I am here for the science:super:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19236091 - 12/06/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

v tek seemed a natural choice, as violet did so well in presentation.

im less against things than peeps think.
im for grow, and for experimentation,
and for clean, and best equip choices.

i also appreciate,
all grows are different.
in 35 yrs, ive used many styles.

i always ask you to ask yourselves,
" is this best for me, and why, and am i doing my best for a quality grow?"

if peeps do that, we would have alot less issues,
and we would see alot more choices in equipment and teks.

a scale barn grow is fine.
a scale apt grow is fine.
thinking one tek, and set of equip, works for both?
thats not fine. we need both glass and plastic, for the right ap!
and thats kinda where im at.........


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19236277 - 12/06/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Either Anne is back on her meds, or she found better quality drugs :lol: Keep this up and your gonna lose you place at the top of the ignore list.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19236325 - 12/06/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Keep this up and your gonna lose you place at the top of the ignore list.




at least have the decency to make a stand in sock puppet,
so my numbers dont dive.

:rabble::rabble::rabble::rabble:

never thought id use this sentence.........
" im concerned about my dwindling ostrich reserves"


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19236415 - 12/06/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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