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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: spixce]
    #19243491 - 12/08/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i had some black neighbors one time i fed some mushrooms, after that they never talked to me again, i think they thought i was the devil or something. :sad:


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19243670 - 12/08/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think if you just trust yourself and give it a fair go, and are perceptive and intelligent, you'll notice just that equality of the races, that there is somehow a 'human race', is just something that arose probably because Western governments wanted to immigrate from non-European countries to boost the economy, or because the the West is Christian and part of Christianity is that everyone must be equal, or because it causes less civil unrest. Racial equality is a political tool. In actuality the races will go for a different value system, a different aesthetic appeal, a different work ethic, different clothes, sayings, family atmosphere, social atmosphere, aggressiveness, friendliness, spiritual desire... overall you get a vastly different human being.

That's all I have to say. Do what thou wilt. Intermarriage is crazy popular in Australia and it seems like it's the same in America lately. You'd think however if there was something to being white or asian or black, which there obviously is, there should be some interest in preserving it.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: circastes] * 1
    #19243683 - 12/08/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And racism arose out of careful and impartial observation, right? :rolleyes:

It is based on outdated science.  The baggage that race comes with makes it completely partial from the start.  It cannot be used to explain human behavior unless you prefer outdated science.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19243743 - 12/08/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i had some black neighbors one time i fed some mushrooms, after that they never talked to me again, i think they thought i was the devil or something. :sad:




http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/a-religious-portrait-of-african-americans/


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: OldHam]
    #19243758 - 12/08/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is a black people..?


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19243895 - 12/08/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i had some black neighbors one time i fed some mushrooms, after that they never talked to me again, i think they thought i was the devil or something. :sad:




Can you elaborate? What do you mean you "fed" them mushrooms?


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: circastes]
    #19243957 - 12/08/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think if you just trust yourself and give it a fair go, and are perceptive and intelligent, you'll notice just that equality of the races, that there is somehow a 'human race', is just something that arose probably because Western governments wanted to immigrate from non-European countries to boost the economy, or because the the West is Christian and part of Christianity is that everyone must be equal, or because it causes less civil unrest. Racial equality is a political tool. In actuality the races will go for a different value system, a different aesthetic appeal, a different work ethic, different clothes, sayings, family atmosphere, social atmosphere, aggressiveness, friendliness, spiritual desire... overall you get a vastly different human being.

That's all I have to say. Do what thou wilt. Intermarriage is crazy popular in Australia and it seems like it's the same in America lately. You'd think however if there was something to being white or asian or black, which there obviously is, there should be some interest in preserving it.




That's the thing though, nothing is lost when a dissimilar looking couple has children together. Their genetics are both passed on to the children (along with their culture and values etc., which are not genetic.)


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #19244054 - 12/08/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And racism arose out of careful and impartial observation, right? :rolleyes:

It is based on outdated science. 





really, what 9000BC scientific principals is racism based on


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19244073 - 12/08/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're going too far back. Look up Johann Friedrich Blumenbach.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: s240779]
    #19244154 - 12/08/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

racism has been around far longer than that


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19244190 - 12/08/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To sidestep the issue of race for a second ( not that anyone even sees me but..)
What's the point of multi-culturalism if you're forced to like all cultures equally?


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: OldHam]
    #19244284 - 12/08/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: circastes] * 1
    #19244749 - 12/08/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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racism has been around far longer than that




Racism has been around probably since the Spanish inquisition - which further proves how outdated it is. a token of propaganda.

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I think if you just trust yourself and give it a fair go, and are perceptive and intelligent, you'll notice just that equality of the races, that there is somehow a 'human race', is just something that arose probably because Western governments wanted to immigrate from non-European countries to boost the economy, or because the the West is Christian and part of Christianity is that everyone must be equal, or because it causes less civil unrest. Racial equality is a political tool. In actuality the races will go for a different value system, a different aesthetic appeal, a different work ethic, different clothes, sayings, family atmosphere, social atmosphere, aggressiveness, friendliness, spiritual desire... overall you get a vastly different human being.

That's all I have to say. Do what thou wilt. Intermarriage is crazy popular in Australia and it seems like it's the same in America lately. You'd think however if there was something to being white or asian or black, which there obviously is, there should be some interest in preserving it.




The "races" will go for a different value system because it's a CULTURAL CONSTRUCTION. Why should we value something that makes people that are just as genetically different as the next guy feel obligated to prove they are a superior race or feel inferior? Why should we value something that makes whites superior? Why should we value something that puts a stigma on every dark-skinned human by police officers? Why can't we embrace the culture together? "White people" have made some pretty damn good funk, jazz (Buddy Rich), and rap. "Black people" have made some amazing advances in science. Some asians are idiots.

If race didn't carry the connotations of violence, oppression, slavery, inferiority, and superiority it might be okay to preserve the good parts of culture, but even then its not because people seem to get a little uneasy when a "white guy" raps or a "black guy" has a big shirt on, which further creates a gap between "races" because now if one has an interest in what another "race" does then it's inappropriate to pursue it unless you're somehow good enough to tear the gap down, which seldom happens.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: OldHam]
    #19244764 - 12/08/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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To sidestep the issue of race for a second ( not that anyone even sees me but..)
What's the point of multi-culturalism if you're forced to like all cultures equally?




You're not forced to do anything, white people problems :rolleyes:


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: evileye001]
    #19244772 - 12/08/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know through PM of several ethnic, gender and sexual minority members who on the boards hold back posts that identify them as such because they don't want to deal with the hassle of being known as such.

I wish they didn't, but I understand. Theres a bit of a locker room atmosphere in The Pub lately and that isnt inviting to presenting a potential vulnerability.

Homophobic banter is fairly mild here but if you're a woman or black this place can appear hostile as all fuck.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: circastes]
    #19244786 - 12/08/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think if you just trust yourself and give it a fair go, and are perceptive and intelligent, you'll notice just that equality of the races, that there is somehow a 'human race', is just something that arose probably because Western governments wanted to immigrate from non-European countries to boost the economy, or because the the West is Christian and part of Christianity is that everyone must be equal, or because it causes less civil unrest. Racial equality is a political tool. In actuality the races will go for a different value system, a different aesthetic appeal, a different work ethic, different clothes, sayings, family atmosphere, social atmosphere, aggressiveness, friendliness, spiritual desire... overall you get a vastly different human being.

That's all I have to say. Do what thou wilt. Intermarriage is crazy popular in Australia and it seems like it's the same in America lately. You'd think however if there was something to being white or asian or black, which there obviously is, there should be some interest in preserving it.




Its interesting for me to see how people justify racism to themselves, where are the peer-reviewed articles and research papers outlining these supposed obvious differences?

Everything you've mentioned is cultural: clothing? sayings? work ethic? Really?


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19244811 - 12/08/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Homophobic banter is fairly mild here but if you're a woman or black this place can appear hostile as all fuck.




That's disappointing. It shouldn't even be relevant.

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Its interesting for me to see how people justify racism to themselves, where are the peer-reviewed articles and research papers outlining these supposed obvious differences?




Exactly, exactly, exactly.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19244822 - 12/08/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Averages don't tell you everything you need to know about a person or a group of people, but pretending that they don't tell you anything is foolish.




As far as anyone knows the issues you brought up are cultural:
black man born in inner-city Detroit vs the same man brought up in an upper class suburb.

Same race and different cultures, the statistical differences could be attributed to gentrification and similar issues. As far as I've seen there's no reason to believe race is anything more than skin deep or social, the social aspect being mostly the effects of white elitism.

It would be fitting to see some peer-reviewed sources outlining (an) argument(s) for race differences which go further than that, but personally I already have reservations. As a trained musician in Classical/Jazz/etc I've seen no difference in my field between the capabilities of various races, in music (which depending on the genre, combines many different mental factors) there is no difference between races.
The personal significance of that observation is telling (for me, relative to my own observation).




As far as anyone knows? Not really, read some Arthur Jensen and then read the rebuttals to his arguments, Richard Nisbett had the most legit criticisms of his claims imo.

Whether you want to break IQ down to cultural or genetic factors or a combination of both, the facts are that even when taking socioeconomic factors into account blacks on average commit more crime than whites and have IQs that are on average 10-15 points lower than a white person coming from a similar background. Asian people on average have IQs that are 7 points higher than whites.

That doesn't mean that there aren't black people with genius IQs or black people who can write good music, or that there aren't asian criminals or stupid white people. But take a critical look at the arguments for and against the g factor (IQ gap) and at the very least, you will have to accept that there are differences between the races. Whether they are genetic or environmental is not the point.

Society tries very hard to ingrain in us that there aren't any differences between races and that it's wrong and racist to think that there are, but it's not true.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: RiderOnTheStorm] * 1
    #19244882 - 12/08/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Whether they are genetic or environmental is not the point.

Society tries very hard to ingrain in us that there aren't any differences between races and that it's wrong and racist to think that there are, but it's not true.





When those differences are environmental, a conclusion which just about any reasonable scholar arrives on, then there ARE NO differences between the races because race isnt environment, its genetics. Insufficient genetic basis in fact to even consider it a race, according to science.  Its like calling blondes a race.


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Re: how many black people are on the shroomery? [Re: RiderOnTheStorm] * 1
    #19245145 - 12/08/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As far as anyone knows? Not really, read some Arthur Jensen and then read the rebuttals to his arguments, Richard Nisbett had the most legit criticisms of his claims imo.

Whether you want to break IQ down to cultural or genetic factors or a combination of both, the facts are that even when taking socioeconomic factors into account blacks on average commit more crime than whites and have IQs that are on average 10-15 points lower than a white person coming from a similar background. Asian people on average have IQs that are 7 points higher than whites.

That doesn't mean that there aren't black people with genius IQs or black people who can write good music, or that there aren't asian criminals or stupid white people. But take a critical look at the arguments for and against the g factor (IQ gap) and at the very least, you will have to accept that there are differences between the races. Whether they are genetic or environmental is not the point.

Society tries very hard to ingrain in us that there aren't any differences between races and that it's wrong and racist to think that there are, but it's not true.




You're justifying your claims because of another opinion, which isn't legitimate. Where are your peer-reviewed studies to back your claims? It's a social construction. Nothing genetic. No evidence backs that it's genetic.

And yes, whether it is environmental or genetic is the point because since it's environmental it shows that it's a cultural construction and  something we can change. there aren't any differences between races, we choose to believe there are and accept it. that's what oppresses people.


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