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Do you think religious people have better trips?
#19234711 - 12/06/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just curious, since religious trippers usually talk about the spiritual experience, is there a similar feeling for those science loving scum that don't partake in any particular religion?
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Starskii]
#19234713 - 12/06/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most of my trips have been amazing and good and fun and insightful and I've had hundreds of them. I'm not religious.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Starskii]
#19234728 - 12/06/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think spiritual people may have better trips.
I think certain spiritual practices kind of prepare you to go with the flow, instead of trying to control it, which seems to be a reason people have bad trips.
(freaking out)
I think shrooms can enhance spirituality if you are already inclined.
I wonder if there is a difference between self-motivated individuals verse more selfless individuals in this regard? It is probably a better distinction tbh.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: teknix]
#19234757 - 12/06/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think spiritual people can have better trips because what you are experience can be seen in a spiritual way. To a Christian God is the symbolic for love and peace. If you are looking at everything around you and the visuals and stuff as a message from the symbolic of peace and love, damn that sounds like a pretty nice trip.
However, when I trip I tend to think about how right now there is matter outside the grip of the solar system that is just as real as I am, and has just as many physical properties and in reality, I am just an object. (An object that can claim things as his own and change shit, but nevertheless just a combination of physical matter and energy that was programmed by millions of years of competition.)
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Starskii]
#19235039 - 12/06/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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icelander is actually spiritually devout and has been ever since he read his first carlos casteneda book.
the OP question about religious is cast partly off target.
when a person has ideas that they throw themselves into with rigor they become more rarefied and spiritual, the content of their mind becomes extramundane, and often they put more effort into watching the moment.
those factors contribute to tripping positively
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: redgreenvines]
#19235100 - 12/06/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe to have found "a" god, inside myself. During my first mushroom trip, I saw "it" in everything around me, but was it god? is there a god? or is god just a collection of sounds and letters we have used to describe the indescribable, is there such a thing as religion? or is religion and church masses just a collection of people sharing the same thoughts at the same time inside of a "holy" building we have created out of wood and matter and preach things that don't make any sense to any other form of complex being, and the only reason it is apparent to us that it exists is because we have been taught so. And if the teachings aren't real, then what is reality. What is god, and what is life? well...nothing more than what we have, and will make it as a civilization through shared thoughts combined as one through a higher entity we can't quite understand yet because we have not been taught to be humans we have been taught to be slaves, inside of the materialistic realm we call earth.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Starskii]
#19235112 - 12/06/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me, when peaking on a fully psychedelic trip, any identification as a spiritual person with spiritual experiences is atom bombed out of existence. All of that shit is meaningless weight pressing on my thoughtlessness. There's abstract, intangible, unspeakable, ambient visionary experience that I feel intimately connected and at home with. There's no God above, this is it.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19235130 - 12/06/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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" There's no God above, this is it. " Maybe that's what I was feeling.
-------------------- Close your eyes, see the little colored dots? now open your eyes, and life just became a void, you have shifted into a new reality, by reading this. Life has become nothing, nothing more then what you believe reality and your senses make it. And what you have always believed reality to be, is nothing more than what reality was, but not anymore. Because reality doesn't exist anymore. Your welcome.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19235155 - 12/06/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Starskii said: I'm just curious, since religious trippers usually talk about the spiritual experience, is there a similar feeling for those science loving scum that don't partake in any particular religion?
wonder, creativity, the unknown... maybe similar to spirituality but don't require a religion or scientific degree to ponder and engage in. the battle might be a projection.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: redgreenvines]
#19235385 - 12/06/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
redgreenvines said: icelander is actually spiritually devout and has been ever since he read his first carlos casteneda book.
the OP question about religious is cast partly off target.
when a person has ideas that they throw themselves into with rigor they become more rarefied and spiritual, the content of their mind becomes extramundane, and often they put more effort into watching the moment.
those factors contribute to tripping positively
Yes but I'm not religious.
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Icelander]
#19235535 - 12/06/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The beauty of psychedelics is that they allow people to have potentially spiritual experiences regardless of their spiritual or religious affiliation. Of course a person who steeps themselves in spirituality will have more context in which to review their experiences. My first spiritual experience was on mushrooms, though I had no idea at the time what it was. It wasn't until later when I had more experience with spiritual concepts such as samadhi that I was able to understand what had happened.
I think the best way to have "better" trips is actually to prepare your body, more so than what your spiritual or religious beliefs are. I eat a lot of junk, and don't exercise enough. I don't meditate daily, or drink apple cider vinegar to decalicify my pineal gland. I don't force myself to stop masturbating or indulging in addictions that suppress my dreams, and I don't commune with nature enough. I think these are the big reasons I get such debilitating body loads on shrooms.
These things I should be doing are the ways to improve your trips. It just so happens they also happen to be consistent with a spiritual lifestyle, but it's these actions and not the religious beliefs themselves that are responsible for the improvement.
Edited by Mr Person (12/06/13 08:48 AM)
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Mr Person]
#19235722 - 12/06/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Religious people have spiritual beliefs. Beliefs limit what you consider to be possible. I see it as outright illogical that any kind of filter between you and the raw experience of being can lead to a better trip. How could it possibly be better to interpret your trip through the lens of religious belief? Clearly it is better to remove such obstacles and face the experience without dogma, doctrine or faith.
I think it's better to have no spiritual beliefs. Let the experience speak for itself. I do not have any spiritual beliefs whatsoever, yet I've still had spiritual trips. I do not form beliefs based on my spiritual experiences. I take it as it comes!
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Re: Do you think religious people have better trips? [Re: Libertin]
#19236102 - 12/06/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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some people are repackaging their incomprehensible experiences in the available forms that their religion affords.
this replaces the richness and accuracy of the memory, falsifies the integrity, and makes a mess in the world when it is discussed, since the fabrication and packaging cannot be separated from the residue of the experience.
it's like walking through fire and emerging with broken jewels encrusted in charred plastic in the shape of the prevailing religion.
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