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I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys.
#19234690 - 12/06/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to have a nice trip but my trips always turn out shitty. I think it's probably because I'm shifting away from my old friends, but unfortunately they are the only people that will do acid or shrooms with me.
Whenever I trip with people I always start thinking they are thinking badly of me, like I am not a good person to trip with or they are analyzing me or something. I don't know, I just wish I could have a good trip every once in a while xD
You guys have any suggestions?
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii] 3
#19234694 - 12/06/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trip alone for awhile. Some of my very best trips have been solo.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii]
#19234762 - 12/06/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Used to be in the same boat. I got to college, hungout alone a lot, tripped with new friends, and figured stuff out. When I came back and tripped with my old homies it was a lot less anxious. I also stopped smoking pot near as much, so that may play a role
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii]
#19234771 - 12/06/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I bet it is pointing at your ego. Shrooms are pretty good at that ime.
I always feel like people are wanting me to explain, lol.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: teknix]
#19234778 - 12/06/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the best trips I have are alone, which allow for introspection without distractions.
But I don't know about acid or DMT.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: LittleDaddy]
#19234801 - 12/06/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LittleDaddy said: Used to be in the same boat. I got to college, hungout alone a lot, tripped with new friends, and figured stuff out. When I came back and tripped with my old homies it was a lot less anxious. I also stopped smoking pot near as much, so that may play a role 
I kinda worry that I'll never get to be good enough friends with someone to have a good trip though, because the one friend I trip with pretty often isn't all that easy to connect with anymore. Or maybe I changed and he stayed the same, but anyways point is I'm shifting away.
I'm kinda hoping I can get friends in college that I can trip with though, because to be honest tripping alone sounds great but also kinda crappy at the same time. But I haven't tried it so I don't know.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii]
#19235051 - 12/06/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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a tripping dynamic is to become absorbed in something, then trip out into something else.
this is not easy to synchronize with other people except superficially. The first few times you have a party this effect is silly fun.
after a while you want to indulge your personal trip-out's more fully - and for that you need relief from the social fun - the noticing that so and so is tripping out which was fun before becomes a wall of paranoia.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii]
#19235053 - 12/06/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Starskii said: I want to have a nice trip but my trips always turn out shitty. I think it's probably because I'm shifting away from my old friends, but unfortunately they are the only people that will do acid or shrooms with me.
Whenever I trip with people I always start thinking they are thinking badly of me, like I am not a good person to trip with or they are analyzing me or something. I don't know, I just wish I could have a good trip every once in a while xD
You guys have any suggestions?
Don't you think talking to your friends about this issue would help? I mean, after all, you're looking for intimacy with them... How do you plan on achieving this without letting them in?
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii] 1
#19235521 - 12/06/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If your social needs are intruding into the practice, you are not utilizing tripping for its deepest purpose, which is an introspective purpose. At bottom, you fear being alone, as do most people, when the reality is that we are born alone, and die alone, both of which are solitary titanic struggles. Between these poles, we lose our self in social illusions, which is why many people venerate family ("Family is everything," as they say, which essentially means that they've virtually deified this socio-biological process). Family is not enough, and to remain busy all the time, never allowing themselves to be still and encounter the universe that is their interior, friends and acquaintances are incessantly sought out. Psychedelics being a "psychic amplifier," according to Leary, you are revealing the predominant aspect of your personality, the social aspect, as having precedence over your more essential nature. The interpersonal weighs more heavily for you than intrapsychic.
While the Maslowian need to 'belong' is typical for the first half of life according to Jung, you should be advised that with the second half of life, when your peers have married and begun to raise families, or you have also, and when the business of child-rearing, play-dates, and all that hubbub has subsided, you will once again be confronted by yourself. It is good practice to learn to enjoy yourself thoroughly, now, so when the inevitable solitude presents itself to you again, it will be like re-uniting with a very familiar old friend, not as an enemy you have endeavored to avoid your whole life. Tripping is the most powerful training for this. Go off into the woods and make friends with the birds, the squirrels, the sunlight dancing on the ground, the sound of the wind in the trees. Chances are, your friends are not really contributing anything to your state of being, they are merely reinforcing the illusion that you are not alone, like living security blankets. There comes a time when you will realize that only very select human beings are actually helping you on your journey through life with their very being. The rest are just part of the fabric of life's illusions that you are clinging to.
You hear of people wanting to be surrounded by loved ones when they are dying. I agree temperamentally with those Tibetan Buddhists who say their goodbyes, and retreat into solitude to die. The crying and emotions of loved ones are thunderous disturbances to the needed tranquility and surrender to the trip of dying - a dying that one should have been practicing during solitude trips one's whole life, in preparation for death, not frittering away valuable practice time on superficial amusements. But that's just my more serious take on tripping.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii]
#19236594 - 12/06/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I kinda worry that I'll never get to be good enough friends with someone to have a good trip though, because the one friend I trip with pretty often isn't all that easy to connect with anymore. Or maybe I changed and he stayed the same, but anyways point is I'm shifting away.
I'm kinda hoping I can get friends in college that I can trip with though, because to be honest tripping alone sounds great but also kinda crappy at the same time. But I haven't tried it so I don't know.
College will change that. I have met amazing people. Everyone is different, you just have to go out and be yourself to attract others like you. In the meantime, enjoy solitude to become yourself, but don't feel like you have to cut out the social aspect of life completely. Social interaction is key to overall wellness when you're improving your own personality.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: LittleDaddy]
#19236840 - 12/06/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm fine tripping with the opposite sex, I struggle when tripping with the same sex... I wonder what's up with that?
I'll repeat the trip alone advice. I like solo flights, it's only you, so there is one confusing layer less to analyse.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: GoldenEye]
#19236889 - 12/06/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You want a better trip?
Get Smarter.
Who's around, venue, what's happening etc are measures of "Setting"
What's in your head going in is "Set"
If you want a more philosophical trip, you need to have the philosophy going in. You need to become a bibliophile.
Huxley has born into a very rich very well connected family, and was exposed to a thick gravy education. He and his family have eugenicist and globalist roots and ties. Pretty heavy stuff.
The plan for a good trip:
1.Educate yourself. Discern fact from fiction. Obtain courage in your convictions through your ability to remove cognitive dissonance. Learn to communicate effectively and honestly. Ask questions. Obtain clarity. Steady eye, Steady Mind. Research. Pay attention. Listen to and consider everyone, believe no one.
2.Trip out
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19237356 - 12/06/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: If your social needs are intruding into the practice, you are not utilizing tripping for its deepest purpose, which is an introspective purpose. At bottom, you fear being alone, as do most people, when the reality is that we are born alone, and die alone, both of which are solitary titanic struggles. Between these poles, we lose our self in social illusions, which is why many people venerate family ("Family is everything," as they say, which essentially means that they've virtually deified this socio-biological process). Family is not enough, and to remain busy all the time, never allowing themselves to be still and encounter the universe that is their interior, friends and acquaintances are incessantly sought out. Psychedelics being a "psychic amplifier," according to Leary, you are revealing the predominant aspect of your personality, the social aspect, as having precedence over your more essential nature. The interpersonal weighs more heavily for you than intrapsychic.
While the Maslowian need to 'belong' is typical for the first half of life according to Jung, you should be advised that with the second half of life, when your peers have married and begun to raise families, or you have also, and when the business of child-rearing, play-dates, and all that hubbub has subsided, you will once again be confronted by yourself. It is good practice to learn to enjoy yourself thoroughly, now, so when the inevitable solitude presents itself to you again, it will be like re-uniting with a very familiar old friend, not as an enemy you have endeavored to avoid your whole life. Tripping is the most powerful training for this. Go off into the woods and make friends with the birds, the squirrels, the sunlight dancing on the ground, the sound of the wind in the trees. Chances are, your friends are not really contributing anything to your state of being, they are merely reinforcing the illusion that you are not alone, like living security blankets. There comes a time when you will realize that only very select human beings are actually helping you on your journey through life with their very being. The rest are just part of the fabric of life's illusions that you are clinging to.
Although I personally agree with your sentiments, IMO this is specific to the individual. Some may find the 'deepest purpose' of psychedelics while sharing insights with good friends while on the same ecstatic wavelength of lysergia, or achieving Samadhi by melding into the group organism at the peak of a rave. Your post seems tailored to the introvert, whereas an extrovert may not agree with all your conclusions.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: Starskii]
#19237389 - 12/06/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Starskii said: I want to have a nice trip but my trips always turn out shitty. I think it's probably because I'm shifting away from my old friends, but unfortunately they are the only people that will do acid or shrooms with me.
Whenever I trip with people I always start thinking they are thinking badly of me, like I am not a good person to trip with or they are analyzing me or something. I don't know, I just wish I could have a good trip every once in a while xD
You guys have any suggestions?
I'm no psychologist, but I think there's something there about you worrying if people are thinking badly about you or not. Don't sweat it though. 
I used to prefer solo too when I used to trip. I used to worry about whether or not other people would be okay or if they were wiggin' out in their minds and not letting me know. I used to fret about other people's well being. Once I started doing it by myself, all that went out the window.
But then again, to each their own.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: deCypher]
#19237744 - 12/06/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I agree with you, but extraversion can only take a psyche so far - to social intercourse, sexual intercourse, and nature mysticism in which sensory modes predominate. As with the basic tenets of the classic Yoga of Patanjali, Tibetan Buddhist Yogas, or even the spontaneous experiences of mystics e.g., Teresa of Avila's Interior Castle, the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of Loyola, the anonymous author of The Cloud of Unknowing, or the philosophy of the Kabbalah, the direction is inward. This movement comes naturally to the constitutional introvert, but demands more from the extravert.
R.E.L. Maters & Dr. Jean Houston wrote The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience which utilized early research on psychedelic use. They came up with stages of the Psychedelic Experience (note p. 370) http://books.google.com/books?id=clFOY2-E6CcC&pg=PA370&lpg=PA370&dq=recollective-analytic,+varieties+of+psychedelic+experience,+masters+%26+houston&source=bl&ots=sPNFICgsdU&sig=Z_Wlhh0mxg8l0tdZDpuvgF2DJFA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f3CiUpqtEo-LkAf-qIDwDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=recollective-analytic%2C%20varieties%20of%20psychedelic%20experience%2C%20masters%20%26%20houston&f=false
Stan Grof's COEX systems also show Psychedelic Experience revealing a movement from the macrocosmic to the microcosmic. Differentiation of the phenomena of existence begins to simplify eventuating in experiences of ineffable Unity.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: MarkostheGnostic] 1
#19238061 - 12/06/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can have the best of both worlds in the same trip in my experience. When I was in college, I lived in a big five bedroom country farmhouse with three other roommates. We'd often take fully psychedelic doses together and come up with each other, but as the peak rolled in, often some or all of us might go to our own respective rooms to take the trip further in the way you only can in solitude. I'd meditate, listen to my preference of music, read, and write in my journal etc., but it was a comfort to know my friends they were around if I was need of support. Post peak, inevitably we'd always meet back up and spend time sharing our revelations.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19238182 - 12/06/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I get that. As the energy rises, by the time the Vishuddha chakra of the throat opens, the Adlerian "Social Interest" of the visceral Manipura chakra and the empathetic resonance of the Anahata chakra is surpassed when the Visshudha chakra of the throat opens. Normal conversational language ceases. Mantric sound or song might emerge, but not conversation. That chakra constellates creativity, so that writing or drawing might also commence. As the energy continues to rise, the accoutrements of graphic creativity need cease. The eyelids are induced to close shutting out the dominance of external vision for the inward gaze of the Ajna chakra, and concentration yields to spontaneous meditation. Sometimes, an opening of the Sahasrara occurs resulting in a variety (hence the symbolic 1000 petals of hat lotus) of Unitive experiences.
Your 'setting' initially includes other people (versus going off alone at the outset), but then the setting changes along with the 'set' as the energy rises according, at least, to chakra psychology. The decision to move away from one's peers, during a trip, on one level, as well as in life on a more pervasive level, has to do with a dominance of psychospiritual movements over psychosocial, psychosexual, and psychophysical constellations of energy at more basic levels of the human edifice.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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as well as in life on a more pervasive level, has to do with a dominance of psychospiritual movements over psychosocial, psychosexual, and psychophysical constellations of energy at more basic levels of the human edifice.
Perhaps, I feel I've been so honed by utterly ineffable experiences and time that nobody could possibly truly 'get me' at this point... Consensual reality is no longer what has really mattered to me. I sometimes daydream that it would be nice if I could be hooked up to a machine that would project my entheogenic perceptions to a holodeck for everyone to step into and explore, if not my whole life for that matter. I'd gladly open house / art gallery exhibit the whole beautiful mess if it would help anyone else. I'd find it liberating.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxley's. [Re: Roger Wilco]
#19242376 - 12/07/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger Wilco said: You want a better trip?
Get Smarter.
Who's around, venue, what's happening etc are measures of "Setting"
What's in your head going in is "Set"
If you want a more philosophical trip, you need to have the philosophy going in. You need to become a bibliophile.
Huxley has born into a very rich very well connected family, and was exposed to a thick gravy education. He and his family have eugenicist and globalist roots and ties. Pretty heavy stuff.
The plan for a good trip:
1.Educate yourself. Discern fact from fiction. Obtain courage in your convictions through your ability to remove cognitive dissonance. Learn to communicate effectively and honestly. Ask questions. Obtain clarity. Steady eye, Steady Mind. Research. Pay attention. Listen to and consider everyone, believe no one.
2.Trip out
P.S.
Wishing is useless and stupid.
I don't mean to be defensive but I wouldn't consider myself lacking in the education department and I'm not sure if that was implied or if it just radiated from my posts, but you shouldn't judge someone's character strictly off of a post. Sorry, I am appreciative for the suggestion though.
I am really going in for the philosophical trip, I loved Huxley's writings and I probably would have never tried LSD without reading Doors of Perception. I just remember hearing that rolling together bonds people and gives people a heightened understanding/relationship through tripping together. However I am starting to see that is more bullshit, although I can see how rolling with a girl would probably work a bit better
Back to your discussion about becoming a bibliophile, I already love books and have a good collection. I read approximately two a month. I am currently attending a college class on Language and Composition and a college class in Literature (AP classes, not actually college I am still in high school)
My favorite types of books are the dystopia books written in the 30s and 40s, that is how I encountered Huxley. But I am currently drifting away from that genre. This was a pretty serious reading month for me haha. I just got done reading Catcher in the Rye, The Great Gatsby, Animal Farm (they don't teach it in school anymore so I decided to pick it up.) and Little Big Man. I don't mean to sound like I am already a bibliophile, but I think I'm on the right path.
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Re: I wish my trips could be like Aldous Huxleys. [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Perhaps, I feel I've been so honed by utterly ineffable experiences and time that nobody could possibly truly 'get me' at this point... Consensual reality is no longer what has really mattered to me. I sometimes daydream that it would be nice if I could be hooked up to a machine that would project my entheogenic perceptions to a holodeck for everyone to step into and explore, if not my whole life for that matter. I'd gladly open house / art gallery exhibit the whole beautiful mess if it would help anyone else. I'd find it liberating.
Being Cosmicjoke Malkovich. 
Yeah I often fantasize about having this ability as well, except I am more interested in experiencing the lives and perceptions of others than sharing my own. I'd step into your holodeck. It would be amazing to be able to observe the entire life of another person in a couple of seconds and bring back the memory of what it's like to think as them. Or to could plug myself into the consciousness of a hummingbird, or an octopus.
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