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OfflineCodeLion
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My cousin got dosed with salvia
    #19233617 - 12/05/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He and some friends were at a buddies house smoking from a bowl, business as usual. Apparently, when one of his friends was packing the bowl he sprayed salvia extract (judging by the incoherent description of the incident, I'd guess it amounted to around a 25x concentration) and handed it to my cousin, who by the way has (had) absolutely zero psychedelic experience.

My cousin hit the bowl hard and from his description his friends were giggling for a few seconds and when he asked why they said "you'll see." He says he didn't really feel it at first till he noticed stuff was starting to move and he felt very heavy. His "friends" continued to laugh while the salvia took a hold of his brain. Judging by his description he was almost dissociated and entirely unable to figure out what was happening to him. He says he vaguely aware of the real world but that things started melting and that he thought the world was ending.
He tried to use his phone to call his home to warn them, repeatedly dialed the wrong number, began to panic even more.
After failing to dial his house he says he can't really describe what happened, but when I suggested a description of a breakthrough salvia trip I had about a month ago he said it sounded very similar. The greatest sensation was that he was dead and in the afterlife, and although it was very colorful he was terrified and had the overwhelming sensation he was never going to return to real life. (So probably a solid level 5 I salvia experience. TBH its hard to determine because he has no psychedelic experience, is not all that intellectual, and he is already very anti-psychedelics ("They kill your brain cells and make you crazy man!") so its possible he exaggerated or simply had a stronger subjective experience because of a lack of context.)
As he came off the salvia, the delirium didn't fade. Turns out it interacted with his prescription anxiety medication and caused a psychiatric break. He ran from the house he was at and wound up about 15 miles away 4 hours later, in an apartment complex, screaming and panicking at everything that moved. The police baker acted him after he reacted to their attempts to calm him down by attempting to jump off a 4 story fire escape.

His friend did it to be funny. "Funny." Apparently this is a thing. A common college prank now.




EDIT: b/c I don't know how I failed copy paste from my notepad. lol. added more in the description of his experience


Edited by CodeLion (12/05/13 08:18 PM)


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion] * 2
    #19233623 - 12/05/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

that's terrible :sad:


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion]
    #19233627 - 12/05/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah that's not funny. is he okay now?


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion] * 2
    #19233630 - 12/05/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Should kick his friend in the balls really hard to be funny.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion] * 1
    #19233631 - 12/05/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hah, kids...


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: dontknow]
    #19233637 - 12/05/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He's still not the same. He seems even flatter than normal but it could be the medication he's on after the incident. He was over at my place for thanksgiving and though I enjoyed playing pool with him he seems kinda "out in his own world" now. He was like, picking up random stuff in my room and staring at it, and getting distracted easily from anything requiring focus, and like, just seeming disconnected.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: The Phleg]
    #19233718 - 12/05/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What the hell? That is totally not okay. :mad:


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19233740 - 12/05/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's fucked up but it doesn't really sound like salvia.  You have to hold in salvia for ~30 seconds for it to absorb into your lungs, it burns way hotter than weed, and I haven't seen a strong liquid extract before that gets "sprayed", although I supposed it's probably possible.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19233749 - 12/05/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A group of maybe 5 people, 3 of us living together, would sneak in salvia extract or DMT-infused leaf every once in a while, but 1. We were all fine with it and 2. You can't taste either of them once and ever forget what they taste like, and you have to hold in the smoke for both of them long to breakthrough. You only get threshold effects from taking a big toke and quickly exhaling.

Doesn't sound like your cousin knew those guys too well, sorry to hear OP. Glad he's all right! I'm really curious as to the medication he was taking, as that reaction is extremely atypical.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion]
    #19233755 - 12/05/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not cool man  :thisisterrible:.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion]
    #19233789 - 12/05/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well first of all, I don't know why you refer to the people who screwed him over as "friends"...They're not friends by anybody's definition.... They're insensitive fucktards who don't understand the sheer fear and terror that psychedelics (especially salvia) can cause. If someone did that to me, I would make sure to knock out a few of their teeth. (dead srs)

I feel awful for your cousin, no human being (albeit one with 0 psychedelic experience) should go through that. If I were him, I'd be plotting a revenge scheme...

The reason psychedelics are illegal is because of stupid, careless incidents like these. :frown:


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: trekie]
    #19233791 - 12/05/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ya since everyone has posted how wrong this is, im gonna add, itd be funny to be on the reacieving end of that phone call

hey whats up?

what? the worlds ending?, like right now! this second!

dude, your trippin


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19233800 - 12/05/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm actually not sure if its the medication causing his altered state or lingering effects of the traumatic experience. We used to do things like play Uncharted in marathon sessions or touch football but now he just wants to watch lighthearted Anime parodies and stare at things. (no joke, literally every time I've seen him since he's insisted on watching episodes of TFS's DBZ parody series)

I've been doing research, I haven't seen much evidence of salvia causing long term effects but anything is possible, especially with the psychotic episode. Also I agree that it seems unlikely that he was dosed with salvia if he immediately exhaled. I had suspected something like "spice" but the highly visual description of the more lucid part of his experience made me suspect something more hallucinogenic in nature. Granted,  some synthetic cannabinoid agonists such as  JWH-018 have anecdotal evidence suggesting hallucinogenic properties.

I actually forgot to mention he went back to the hospital like 2 weeks ago (the incident was probably a month and a half ago). He stopped taking the medicine they prescribed him at the hospital because he didn't like how it made him feel and he began exibiting sever shivering/shaking, mild tachycardia, nausea, and a decrease in body temperature, along with agitation and an altered mental state. (My father is an ER doctor at the hospital my cousin went to a second time)

I don't know all the details but I'd guess he was on an SNDRI before the incident, and that the substance and/or the psycho-physiological effects of the unexpected drug caused Serotonin Syndrome, causing the psychotic break, and then he was on a serotonin agonist which when he stopped taking it caused a return of the SS symptoms. (Although, the long time frame makes me doubt this guess a lil. I'm mostly guessing)

CodeLion

EDIT:
Had nothing gone wrong he'd have just been pissed and chocked it up as a stupid frat type prank. There are alot of really stupid people in college these days, I doubt they intended to cause so much harm. I'd say they still could be called his friends, albiet not good ones.

Another EDIT:
When I described my own L5 salvia trip, its possible he fell victim to the 5th sin of memory. If he had described it without prompting, I'd put more stock in it. I may never know exactly what happened.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion]
    #19233803 - 12/05/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck his friends


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: CodeLion]
    #19233850 - 12/05/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

CodeLion said:
I'm actually not sure if its the medication causing his altered state or lingering effects of the traumatic experience. We used to do things like play Uncharted in marathon sessions or touch football but now he just wants to watch lighthearted Anime parodies and stare at things. (no joke, literally every time I've seen him since he's insisted on watching episodes of TFS's DBZ parody series)

I've been doing research, I haven't seen much evidence of salvia causing long term effects but anything is possible, especially with the psychotic episode. Also I agree that it seems unlikely that he was dosed with salvia if he immediately exhaled. I had suspected something like "spice" but the highly visual description of the more lucid part of his experience made me suspect something more hallucinogenic in nature. Granted,  some synthetic cannabinoid agonists such as  JWH-018 have anecdotal evidence suggesting hallucinogenic properties.

I actually forgot to mention he went back to the hospital like 2 weeks ago (the incident was probably a month and a half ago). He stopped taking the medicine they prescribed him at the hospital because he didn't like how it made him feel and he began exibiting sever shivering/shaking, mild tachycardia, nausea, and a decrease in body temperature, along with agitation and an altered mental state. (My father is an ER doctor at the hospital my cousin went to a second time)

I don't know all the details but I'd guess he was on an SNDRI before the incident, and that the substance and/or the psycho-physiological effects of the unexpected drug caused Serotonin Syndrome, causing the psychotic break, and then he was on a serotonin agonist which when he stopped taking it caused a return of the SS symptoms. (Although, the long time frame makes me doubt this guess a lil. I'm mostly guessing)

CodeLion

EDIT:
Had nothing gone wrong he'd have just been pissed and chocked it up as a stupid frat type prank. There are alot of really stupid people in college these days, I doubt they intended to cause so much harm. I'd say they still could be called his friends, albiet not good ones.

Another EDIT:
When I described my own L5 salvia trip, its possible he fell victim to the 5th sin of memory. If he had described it without prompting, I'd put more stock in it. I may never know exactly what happened.




Doing salvia knowingly is one thing and even that can get pretty frightening- being tossed head first into the rabbit hole of insanity without zero prior psychedelic experience and no clue why you're suddenly tripping balls is a whole other beast. It could be equally, if not more, traumatizing than rape. I'd seriously suggest that he seeks help or at least visits a therapist once. The amount of stress that he went through for those 15 minutes is unfathomable...


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #19233904 - 12/05/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

One kid i used to hang out with as smoking my friend out and told him his spice was weed. Long story short my friend ended up seeing weird shit, and dry heaving practically falling out of the kids truck (i'm convinced it was a psychadelic panic attack), begging for his life. He dropped my friend off at his house, and ditched him to go have a normal day at school, while my friend, was convinced he was dying. The only reason i'm glad any drug is illegal, is for the fact that it makes it so much easier for fuckheads like this to get arrested. Oh and the kid who spice-raped my friend, is the one who gets to be pissed, cause if my friend showed up to school like that the kid would've been arrested and it would be sooo fucked up if someone went to jail for that shit. Needless to say a couple years down the road my friend trip sat me and that kid (we were still friends at the time) on 3 hits of acid, and that kid was in hell. It made me laugh honestly the way this kid talks shit about people he calls his friends, and then when he takes a few hits and my friend says the word hospital the kid goes running home to his mom. :lol: Also we never intenddd to put him through a hell trip, it just happened and looking back it makes us laugh.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #19233912 - 12/05/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

doesn't sound like salvia.. hrm

My buds did something similar to one of my other buds but they said it was 5x salvia when in reality it was 80x. haha he loved it

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Plus your cuz was exhibiting effects 4 hours later, so much so that he had to be talked down from a suicide attempt?

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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19233931 - 12/05/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:zomgwtf:
That isn't funny, that is dispicable.

Maybe unexpectedly dose his friends with salvia, and then beat the fuck out of them while they are loosing their shit in salvia space?

Well that is wrong too, but it is a satisfying thought. People that pull that kind of shit make me want to do horrible things to them.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: unknown1123]
    #19233939 - 12/05/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds fishy.


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Re: My cousin got dosed with salvia [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19234452 - 12/05/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

whatever they did give him salvia or not, nobody deserves to be thrown into psychedelics like that. What a brutal introduction to something that can be a beautiful thing (given the right circumstances and not to mention willingness). This is why they get such a bad rep because of stupid fucktards like that. I like a good prank but that's just down right cruel.


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