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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1925733 - 09/17/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

1. I had a blast at the protest I went to.
2. Many conservatives now agree with me that he is a bad president.
3. I have become more involved with politics.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: shakta]
    #1926511 - 09/17/03 08:13 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

that's all?

Ok, I was just saying that terrorist activities that happened around 9/11 (but not on that date) shouldn't be grouped under the category "9/11"

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1926548 - 09/17/03 08:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The rules are simple - Name three facets of your personal life that have improved under his regime.

i think this may be a great example of liberal vs. conservative thought.

i don't expect or demand that my personal life be improved on account of who's in the white house or has seats in congress. that's up to me.

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: ]
    #1926566 - 09/17/03 08:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Actually that's not unique to conservatives. My personal life has improved a great deal under the Bush administration, but Bush can't really take credit for that, can he?


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: silversoul7]
    #1926596 - 09/17/03 08:33 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

nope, just as if it doesn't improve, ain't his fault either.

i think that the acts of government are far more likely to make your life worse than better.

here's a new question... bush bashers... how has your personal life gotten worse on account of the leadership of the bush administration?

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: ]
    #1926625 - 09/17/03 08:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It took me 4 months to find a new job when I got fired from my previous one. That may or may not have anything to the economy under Bush, but I know that the job market was pretty bad at the time.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: shakta]
    #1926888 - 09/17/03 10:05 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think #2 and #3 are just #1 repeated
two times over.

anything else besides lower taxes that you
can think of?

surely, the fact that you will never be able
to collect from that social security pot you're
paying into because bush borrowed against
our retirement should cancel out #1 anyhow,
right?


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: afoaf]
    #1926916 - 09/17/03 10:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Hell, that was gone before Bush ever got in office. Anyone relying on social security that isn't old as hell now for when they are old farts is an idiot. If you just save $10 a week from the day you start working until you retire, you should be golden. Another benefit of having something like a DIVERSE 401k is in the event you get fired, or something bad happens you have that to fall back on. Anyway, I am sure when the time comes they will just tax everyone else to pay for the old farts, just like they are doing now.

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1928765 - 09/18/03 11:28 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't consider that Anthrax stuff because it was never proven it was from terrorism (of the middle eastern,fundalmentalist variety).And I don't consider a couple anthrax letters an "attack".


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: monoamine]
    #1928805 - 09/18/03 11:45 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but I wouldn't be surprised if Karl Rove was behind that whole Anthrax scare.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1929260 - 09/18/03 02:01 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

1- the AWB is probably going to expire.
2- no more attacks on US soil. They are scraping up what they can in their own back yard now.
3- I pay slightly less in taxes

#1 is more a function of the legislature, but havign Bush in office helps.

#2 & #3 Bush can get a little more credit for.

Overall, I really don't expect the government to do much for my personal life. The best thing they can do is not hinder me, and leave me the hell alone.

I can rip Bush a new asshole on any number of subjects, but overall he's been a halfway decent pres. Most of my gripes (patriot act, WOD) he really has no control over.

The one area I really, really support him on is taking the fight to the islamofascists. We need to fight on their ground, not ours, and I am glad we are doing so.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: wingnutx]
    #1930301 - 09/18/03 07:32 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

wingnutx:

whoa, I just clicked your avatar. thats a composite picture right?

thats really tripped out.

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: monoamine]
    #1930314 - 09/18/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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there hasn't been a terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11.



I'm surprised nobody else has pointed this out yet, but there weren't any "terrorist" attacks on american soil BEFORE 9/11, either.

I have a rock that keeps tigers away.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: toxick]
    #1930360 - 09/18/03 07:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The previous bombing of the WTC was a terrorist attack. It has clearly been a target for some time. Nothing of that magnitude has ever happened here before, that is for sure. The federal building in OK would be next I guess.

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: toxick]
    #1930374 - 09/18/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

um... the first WTC bombing?

the embassies? (i know that one's kindof a stretch, but technically true).

i'm really shocked that we aren't attacked more frequently than we are.

it'd be fairly easy for a small group of terrorists to go around causing mayhem.... derailing trains, poisoning water supplies (or food), cutting power lines, sniping... just one person with the desire could really cause some madness. we're pretty vulnerable, and i don't think any security precautions (even 1984-style ones) we take are going to get that vulnerability down too much.

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: ]
    #1930381 - 09/18/03 08:08 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You forgot the Oklahoma City Bombing. Of course, that guy was white, not Arab, so I guess that one doesn't count.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: shakta]
    #1930382 - 09/18/03 08:08 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, I'll give you the previous WTC bombing, but OKC doesn't count unless you wanna get into the murky world of conspiracy theory... in that case, 9/11 doesn't count either, until you can prove it was actually foreign terrorists who were responsible.


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: ]
    #1930389 - 09/18/03 08:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. We have slowed them down quite a bit though. I think that is one of the big reasons they have not hit us again. If it ever does happen again it wouldn't shock me at all.

Does anyone think they may be a bit scared to attack us again? One attack has most definately been met with a strong response. If you kill our people we will hunt you down and kill you. I know these guys are fanatics, but does that play into their decisions at all?

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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: ]
    #1930393 - 09/18/03 08:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

the embassies? (i know that one's kindof a stretch, but technically true).

i'm really shocked that we aren't attacked more frequently than we are.



Oooooo, technically you're right about the embassies...but I don't really consider that American soil...even though legally it is, it's just so far removed...It's like Puerto Rico...does it even actually exist? :smile:

I am also shocked that we aren't attacked alot more than we are.  We do some pretty stupid things. 


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Re: A challenge for all Bush apologists [Re: toxick]
    #1930394 - 09/18/03 08:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

toxick said:
Alright, I'll give you the previous WTC bombing, but OKC doesn't count unless you wanna get into the murky world of conspiracy theory... in that case, 9/11 doesn't count either, until you can prove it was actually foreign terrorists who were responsible.




Alright you can't be serious? The guys on the planes were all foreign terrorists. So we are talking about foreign terror right? I agree that OKC was a terror attack, and I personally do believe Saddam or Osama, or both were involved.

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