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Help ID Tricholoma sp?
    #19233331 - 12/05/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



Sorry these photos dont give the best description of the collection. Some specimens had very long stems up to 18cm.


Im a bit stumped on this ID. Spores appeared to be pink but they were smooth elliptical which rules it out of entoloma (I think?). Are there tricholomas with pink spores?

Found growing under douglas fir on a slope from soil/litter pile.

Size ranged from 10 to 20 cm in height. Up to 10 cm cap D. 2 Cm stem W.

Cap had seperable pellicle and was moist. Relatively firm but flexible flesh.
Margin of cap staining orange-pink.

Gills were pure white staining orange-pink. Multi tiered, sinuate.

Stipe had sparse long fibrills staining brown, it appeared like they washed off. Bruising reddish at base. No partial veil found, perhaps some remnants on cap margin.

Spores smooth, eliptical, non amyloid 6-10 x 3-5um.


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: thenilsmeister]
    #19233371 - 12/05/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what about Clitopilus prunulus?


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: thenilsmeister]
    #19233530 - 12/05/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, there aren't any Tricholomas with pink spores.

If it's a Clitopilus, you should be able to see ridges running the length of the spores. Also, the end-on view of the spores is pretty distinctive.

Another possible group could be the Clitocybes that some call Lepista. While many have finely warted spores, some are smooth.


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: thenilsmeister]
    #19233593 - 12/05/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if it could be a Hygrophorus, like H. bakerensis? Were the spores salmon pink, or perhaps more of a cream/ yellow color?


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #19233892 - 12/05/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lepista irina?


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: Duggstar]
    #19234766 - 12/06/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The spores were salmon pink.

It could possibly be Lepista irina the spore size matches, but the cap is not evenly colored and does not dry to look like that. It also wasn't in open woodland.

It is not H. bakerensis, it did not smell almondy and I didnt notice a waxiness of the gills.

I cannot find much information on Clitopus prunulus. Mind posting a description or picture?


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: thenilsmeister]
    #19235367 - 12/06/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pulled from Matchmaker Software.

LATIN NAME(S)  Clitopilus prunulus  (Scop.) P. Kumm.  Fuehrer fur Pilzfreunde (Zwickau): 23, 96. 1871

ENGLISH NAME(S)  sweetbread mushroom, the miller

NOTES  features include white to grayish cap, decurrent gills, strong mealy odor, and pinkish spores; the cucumber odor is caused by trans-2-nonenal, one of the chemicals causing the odor in the cucumber vegetable (Wood), found at least WA, Breitenbach(4) give distribution North America, Europe, Asia and North Africa; found in CA (Arora, Wood); collections from BC deposited at University of British Columbia, collection from OR deposited at Oregon State University, not uncommon on foray lists from WA

CAP  3-10cm across, convex becoming flat or centrally depressed, margin often lobed or wavy; white to gray; "dry and slightly felty or in one form slightly viscid when moist, smooth", (Arora), typically flat or umbonate, margin typically inrolled; whitish with beige, grayish, or pinkish tones; dry, (Trudell)

FLESH  rather thin; white, (Arora)

GILLS  decurrent or sometimes adnate, fairly close, narrow; whitish to gray, becoming pinkish, (Arora)

STEM  2-8cm x 0.4-1.2cm, "central or off-center, solid", equal or narrowing downward; white or grayish, (Arora), hairless (Lincoff(2)), pruinous or pubescent [downy], villose [finely hairy] at base, (Lincoff(1)), similar in color to cap (Trudell)

VEIL 

ODOR  "strongly but pleasantly farinaceous (like sweetbread)", (Arora), "strongly mealy, of bread dough or cucumber", (Phillips)

TASTE  similar to odor (Phillips)

EDIBILITY  yes, but not recommended: too easy to confuse with poisonous species, (Arora)

HABITAT  single to scattered or in small groups, "on ground in open woods and grassy places near trees", (Arora), sometimes in rings (Courtecuisse), summer and fall (Miller), in conifer as well as hardwood forests (Trudell)

SPORE DEPOSIT  flesh-colored or salmon (Arora), brown-pink (Breitenbach)

MICROSCOPIC  spores 9-12 x 5-7 microns, elliptic, longitudinally ridged, angular only in end view, (Arora), spores 8.7-10.6(12) x 5.3-6.5 microns, fusiform-elliptic [spindle-shaped - elliptic], smooth, with 6-7(8) longitudinal ribs, colorless; basidia 4-spored, 32-47 x 11-14 microns, clavate, without basal clamp connection; pleurocystidia and cheilocystidia not seen; cap cuticle an ixocutis composed of irregular hyphae 3-6 microns wide, all slightly gelatinized, septa without clamp connections, (Breitenbach)

NAME ORIGIN  means 'little plum', prunulus is diminutive of prunus = plum (Latin)

SIMILAR  Clitocybe dealbata has white spores; Clitocybe subconnexa group grows in clusters and is more robust; like Entolomas in having pink spores but they do not typically have long-decurrent gills

SOURCES  Arora(1)*, Phillips(1)*, Lincoff(2)*, Ammirati(1)*, Lincoff(1)*, Miller(14)*, Kibby(1)*, Courtecuisse(1)*, Bessette(2)*, Barron(1)*, Breitenbach(4)*, Wood(3), Trudell(4)*, Buczacki(1)*, Bacon(1)*
FAMILY  Entolomataceae of Order Agaricales


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Re: Help ID Tricholoma sp? [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #19236961 - 12/06/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm that doesnt look like it either. Gills were sinuate not decurrent. Also there are no yellow hues such as there were in my specimens. Lastly the stalk size was apparently longer and thicker than C. prunulus. I will check the spores again though once I can get back into the lab and see if I can find ridges or any other ornamentation I didnt catch before.


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