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It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women.
    #19232989 - 12/05/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But, alas, that is what the GOP needs to do.

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The National Republican Congressional Committee wants to make sure there are no Todd Akin-style gaffes next year, so it’s meeting with top aides of sitting Republicans to teach them what to say — or not to say — on the trail, especially when their boss is running against a woman.

Speaker John Boehner is serious, too. His own top aides met recently with Republican staff to discuss how lawmakers should talk to female constituents.

“Let me put it this way, some of these guys have a lot to learn,” said a Republican staffer who attended the session in Boehner’s office.

There have been “multiple sessions” with the NRCC where aides to incumbents were schooled in “messaging against women opponents,” one GOP aide said.

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While GOP party leaders have talked repeatedly of trying to “rebrand” the party after the 2012 election losses, the latest effort shows they’re not entirely confident the job is done.

So they’re getting out in front of the next campaign season, heading off gaffes before they’re ever uttered and risk repeating the 2012 season, when a handful of comments let Democrats paint the entire Republican Party as anti-woman.

Boehner urged his colleagues Thursday in response to this POLITICO story to “be a little more sensitive” when running against women.

“Some of our members just aren’t as sensitive as they ought to be,” Boehner said.

Boehner (R-Ohio) said bluntly that “when you look around the Congress, there are a lot more females in the Democrat caucus than there are in the Republican caucus.”

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Republicans are trying to avoid a 2012 repeat. Akin dropped the phrase “legitimate rape” during the 2012 Missouri Senate race, costing himself a good shot at winning his own race and touching off Democratic charges of a GOP “War on Women” that dogged Republicans in campaigns across the country.

In the 2014 cycle, there will be at least 10 races where House GOP male incumbents face Democratic women challengers. More races could crop up as the cycle unfolds.

Some of the highest profile fights will take place in states like New York, Illinois, Florida and Virginia — the last where GOP gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli was defeated recently due in part to being perceived as anti-woman.

Individual Republicans have continued to give Democrats plenty of ammunition about being insensitive to women’s issues. From Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) talking about rape and pregnancy at a Judiciary Committee hearing earlier this year, to House Republicans passing a 20-week abortion ban in June, to Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) blaming military sexual assault on “hormones,” there have been repeated instances where GOP lawmakers have come off as tone-deaf to female voters.

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Yet Republican incumbents appear eager to avoid the mistakes of some of their predecessors.

Rep. Scott Rigell, who is running against a Democratic woman next year, said he wants to focus on economic issues, not social issues.

“I look at it this way — I wake up every day not thinking about the social issues,” Rigell said. “I sought office because I know we can do better on job creation and I’m also concerned about our fiscal trajectory.”

Rigell, who said he gets his best counsel from his wife, also said he wants to focus on issues that benefit the “full fabric of our communities.”

“I think as part of that we’re strengthening things that are important to women and, of course, to men as well. Early childhood education, making sure that our children are safe and they have great opportunities once they get out of high school or college,” he said.

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Yet the longtime “gender gap” between the parties continues to be pretty stark for the GOP. Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney lost women to Barack Obama by 11 percentage points in the 2012 election, and the 2013 campaigns saw a similar trend. A series of recent polls show a continued double-digit lead for Democratic candidates among women, with the margin soaring to much higher levels among single female voters. The GOP — which lost female voters by large margins in every competitive Senate race in the 2012 election — also saw a 10-point increase in its unfavorability rating to among women to 63 percent, according to an October ABC/Washington Post poll.

Of course, female Democratic challengers will have to surmount all the hurdles that anyone seeking to knock of an incumbent always faces: lack of name recognition; difficulty getting media coverage; and most of all — the single biggest issue — a huge fundraising gap.

Yet Democrats have hopes that these candidates will help lead them to the majority in November 2014.

“Our essential strategy is to recruit problem-solvers. And with this Republican Congress having been so destructive to the concerns women have, we are putting a special emphasis on recruiting women who will end those problems,” said Rep. Steve Israel of New York, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Israel added: “I can’t promise you they will go dollar-for-dollar with the Republican incumbent. But I can promise that their message, their mechanics, their mobilization will exceed whatever Republican incumbents are able to do.”

Democratic operatives are also ready to pounce, hoping to capitalize on Mitt Romney’s dismal performance attracting female voters in the presidential election.

Jess McIntosh of Emily’s List said that the 2012 election was a sea change for female candidates.

“That election was a mandate for women’s leadership, and I think it was an election where we saw women be the standard-bearers for the Democratic Party, and we also saw women’s issues be front and center,” McIntosh said, adding that it doesn’t appear Republicans have learned any lessons from their losses. “They seemed to decide the way to win back the women they had alienated is to continue to do the same things that alienated them in the first place.”

There are currently 78 female lawmakers in the House; 59 of them are Democrats. The partisan gender gap is similar in the Senate, where of the record 20 female senators currently serving in the 113th Congress, 16 are Democrats versus only four Republicans.

Yet Republicans insist they aren’t ceding the ground to Democrats when it comes to trying to attract female candidates.

“We’re doing the same thing against them,” said National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Greg Walden of Oregon. “We may have more women challengers now than we did in the last cycle. … We’ve got some great women candidates and it’s been a focus of ours too.” Walden specifically named Mia Love in Utah and Martha McSally in Arizona, both of whom could end up running against male Democratic incumbents.

Like other Republicans, Walden said party leaders have addressed messaging against female challengers with their own incumbents.

“You need to be very careful in how you approach any group and what you say,” Walden said when asked about House GOP leadership efforts to find female candidates. “That’s just Politics 101.”

In July, the NRCC unveiled Project GROW, which stands for Growing Republican Opportunities for Women. There have been several GROW outreach and recruitment events since that time, say GOP officials. “Recruiting women candidates is a top priority of the NRCC this cycle and we’ve had tremendous support from our women members of congress through our Project Grow initiative,” said Liesl Hickey, NRCC executive director.

Rep. Ann Wagner (R-Mo.) said she is working to try to recruit more Republican women to run for Congress, pointing out that only 19 of the 231 House GOP members are women.

“It’s a failure and one that absolutely must be addressed,” Wagner acknowledged.

She said women are pivotal to future elections since they make up the majority of potential voters, with the trend increasing in recent years.

“We’re not a coalition. We’re 54 percent of the electorate. We rule,” Wagner said. “We decide the elections going forward. We decide a lot of things.’

So far, there are female Republican candidates in 15 House races, but a number of them face difficult primaries and may not even make it into the general election. With roughly 40 to 50 competitive House races in play next year, the number of GOP women candidates will rise somewhat.

But for some, not speaking about gender will be their favored approach. Illinois Republican Rodney Davis is running against a woman, and he doesn’t plan to engage in woman-specific messaging.

“The decisions that we have to make aren’t limited to men, women, children, senior and they effect everyone. I think we’ve got some good opportunities to show how we can govern here in Washington, which is what everyone in America wants,” Davis said.




http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gop-men-tutored-in-running-against-women-100701.html

Is it not pathetic when your own party's leaders cannot respect the opposite gender the same as their own?  Really, this is nothing more than teaching the inbreds that are running for re-election (or first election) what not to say publicly, instead of changing their views on women.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19233285 - 12/05/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

GOP Charm School

Do you think they will learn their lesson?

Correct. Not likely.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: sweeper54]
    #19233348 - 12/05/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pshhh they don't need training. They have binders full of women :lol:


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19233356 - 12/05/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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pshhh they don't need training. They have binders full of women :lol:




I thought their bodies had a way of naturally shutting down that level of stupidity?  And if that didn't work, they should just toss some aspirin between their legs and it will all be fine and dandy?

I think it is funny that the one guy, Rigell, says he doesn't want to talk about "social issues" because he "doesn't think about them."  Yet, he wants to get sent back to a position where he is going to have to vote on matters regarding such issues.



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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19233364 - 12/05/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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pshhh they don't need training. They have binders full of women :lol:




I thought their bodies had a way of naturally shutting down that level of stupidity?  And if that didn't work, they should just toss some aspirin between their legs and it will all be fine and dandy?



what are you talking about?


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19233396 - 12/05/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i figured you we're referring to the 'natural anti-rape' function that apparently exists haha but i wasn't aware of the aspirin comment. Thats funny shit :lol:


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19233487 - 12/05/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Unless of course your a women.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: sweeper54]
    #19233558 - 12/05/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

anyone with half a brain knows that those comments are fucking retarded.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19233572 - 12/05/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And not funny.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: sweeper54]
    #19233579 - 12/05/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i find it pretty hilarious that people that dumb exist :shrug:


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19233582 - 12/05/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find it pretty hilarious that people that dumb exist :shrug:




It isn't hilarious that these are the kind of people in charge of running our country, or donating tons of money to get people with similar views election.

Worse yet, there are fucking people that are dumb enough to believe this shit.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19233588 - 12/05/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i don't quite remember saying either of those things? Could you quote where i did?


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19233602 - 12/05/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By extension of you thinking that it is hilarious that these people exist, you seem to be fine with them being in a position to impose their stupidity on an entire nation.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19233730 - 12/05/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find it pretty hilarious that people that dumb exist :shrug:





I saw the interview live and couldn't believe some backwoods asshole would say sometime that fuck up on Live TV, to a female host, let alone to Andrea Mitchell.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19233756 - 12/05/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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By extension of you thinking that it is hilarious that these people exist, you seem to be fine with them being in a position to impose their stupidity on an entire nation.



please continue to explain what i am thinking and my thought process. I'm very curious to find out what i am thinking.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: sweeper54]
    #19233758 - 12/05/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find it pretty hilarious that people that dumb exist :shrug:





I saw the interview live and couldn't believe some backwoods asshole would say sometime that fuck up on Live TV, to a female host, let alone to Andrea Mitchell.



i'll have to admit that guy has some balls haha. But fuck he's a dumb ass.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19233798 - 12/05/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
By extension of you thinking that it is hilarious that these people exist, you seem to be fine with them being in a position to impose their stupidity on an entire nation.



please continue to explain what i am thinking and my thought process. I'm very curious to find out what i am thinking.




Please continue to backtrack on your positions when you clearly cannot think out a thoughtful response.  There is nothing funny about a US representitve trying to define a "legitamite rape" and tell people that pregnancies from rape are rare because the body has a way to "shut that whole thing down down"


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19234142 - 12/05/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'm not back tracking on anything. I find it humorous that people believe idiotic things. The rape comment being one of them, rape is not funny, the low IQ required to make such a statement is. I find the people of Westboro basptist church hilarious as well because they are such dimwitted fucktards. Even though what they do is disgraceful.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19251169 - 12/09/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How does laughing at a stupid person equate to you approving of their stupidity? Mush for Brains: Grasper of Straws!


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19251239 - 12/09/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How does laughing at a stupid person equate to you approving of their stupidity? Mush for Brains: Grasper of Straws!



yeah he tends to do that.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19252162 - 12/09/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How does laughing at a stupid person equate to you approving of their stupidity? Mush for Brains: Grasper of Straws!




There is nothing funny about people this stupid being in positions of power.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19252194 - 12/09/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How does laughing at a stupid person equate to you approving of their stupidity? Mush for Brains: Grasper of Straws!




There is nothing funny about people this stupid being in positions of power.



i'll repeat the question for you. How does laughing at stupidity mean you approve of said dumbass position?


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19253088 - 12/09/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How does laughing at a stupid person equate to you approving of their stupidity? Mush for Brains: Grasper of Straws!




There is nothing funny about people this stupid being in positions of power.




No. But they're capacity for stupidity is. So....Again, how does that equate to approving of their political positions, or of them holding office?


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    #19253245 - 12/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you think something is "hilarious," then you are giving their position a positive light.  If you think it is funny someone could be so stupid, you are implicitly agreeing with the rationale.


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    #19253420 - 12/10/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your logic is mind numbing. Because I laugh at a person for being stupid, or their statements for the fact that they are baseless and pulled straight from their asses, means I agree with that person somehow? Or that I am painting their position in a positive light somehow?


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    #19253569 - 12/10/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

its obvious because i think its funny when the guys on Jackass smash each other in the nuts that obviously means I want to smash myself in the nuts :lol: Come on Mush you've made some dumb ass arguments on here but this one takes the cake.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #19253921 - 12/10/13 04:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What I find a sad state of affairs is someone having to run not against women, but against a main stream media who makes a statement such as 'someone should defecate on sarah palin' or '....that right wing slut Laura Ingraham' etc.


Mush and Sweeper let me say in advance:  I don't care what you think.


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    #19254080 - 12/10/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

First of I doubt you even hear what he said, and I totally agree with him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/04/martin-bashir-resigns-msnbc_n_4385884.html

It starts @ 1:16

I agree with what he said.

There's a difference between telling one woman from the lunatic fringe and telling all the women in the US they should suck it up and be grateful we gat them the right to vote.


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    #19254638 - 12/10/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Shit spews out of her mouth all the time. What's wrong with putting some in for once?


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: sweeper54]
    #19255365 - 12/10/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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First of I doubt you even hear what he said, and I totally agree with him.






I heard what he said.  I see what you write.  So you think that someone in public life who you stupidly disagree with should have shit and piss poured in her mouth?  What do you think should be done with me?


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Shit spews out of her mouth all the time. What's wrong with putting some in for once?




This is, of course, complete nonsense.  You have never written a post as cogent as her arguments.


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    #19255582 - 12/10/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan, Aug. 7, 2009

Her arguments are laughable at best.

Or how about this nice steaming turd?

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010



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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19255623 - 12/10/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan, Aug. 7, 2009

Her arguments are laughable at best.




She was spot on about that
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Or how about this nice steaming turd?

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010






Typo  She obviously didn't mean North Korea


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19255655 - 12/10/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh really? What death panels were implemented in the cluster-fuck known as Obamacare? Where in the law does it outline who can be on these panels? And I doubt it was a typo, she just doesn't care to now the difference between the two.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19255681 - 12/10/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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First of I doubt you even hear what he said, and I totally agree with him.






I heard what he said.  I see what you write.  So you think that someone in public life who you stupidly disagree with should have shit and piss poured in her mouth?  What do you think should be done with me?





Zap unfortunately for your argument, I don't think about you.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19255682 - 12/10/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/time-choosing/2013/dec/6/sebelius-grim-reaper-obamas-hhs-head-controls-medi/

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On Monday of last week, Mark Halperin, political editor for Time Magazine and a well-respected liberal journalist was on “The Steve Malzberg Show” on NewsMax radio and was asked the following question : “…so, you believe there will be rationing, a.k.a. “death panels (in Obamacare)?”

His response was, “It’s built into the plan. It’s not like a guess or a judgment. That’s part of how costs are controlled.”

Halperin is correct, and these Obamacare “death panels” are innocuously referred to as the Independent Payment Advisory Board (“IPAB”). IPAB is a board made up of up to 15 unelected bureaucrats. Progressive Democrat Sen. Howard Dean of Vermont described it well in a July 28, 2013 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal as follows:

“The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.”



Your ignorance does not mean she is wrong.  For the most part it just means you are ignorant.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19255715 - 12/10/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"The ACA does not allow IPAB to recommend rationing health care. The text of ACA explicitly states that IPAB cannot make "any recommendation to ration health care... or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria." A Politifact analysis reported that IPAB is "forbidden from submitting 'any recommendation to ration health care.'" Washington Post's Glenn Kessler pointed out that the ACA "explicitly says that the recommendations cannot lead to rationing of health care"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/26/fox-news-uses-nuclear-option-to-revive-death-pa/197065


Misleading people by calling it a death panel, doesn't make it a death panel. It mostly means you're misleading.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19255927 - 12/10/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan, Aug. 7, 2009

Her arguments are laughable at best.

Or how about this nice steaming turd?

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010




Did you consider it a "nice steaming turd" when Obama said there were 57 states?


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19256286 - 12/10/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
"The ACA does not allow IPAB to recommend rationing health care. The text of ACA explicitly states that IPAB cannot make "any recommendation to ration health care... or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria." A Politifact analysis reported that IPAB is "forbidden from submitting 'any recommendation to ration health care.'" Washington Post's Glenn Kessler pointed out that the ACA "explicitly says that the recommendations cannot lead to rationing of health care"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/26/fox-news-uses-nuclear-option-to-revive-death-pa/197065


Misleading people by calling it a death panel, doesn't make it a death panel. It mostly means you're misleading.



I am so happy that some WaPo columnist has taken it upon himself to define just what is and is not a death panel.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/kathleen-sebelius-childs-lung-transplant-92237.html
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/06/05/death_panel_secretary_sebelius_denies_lung_transplant_for_10_year_old_girl

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Death panels.  Just exactly what Sarah Palin said, exactly what we all knew. Obamacare establishes death panels, and right now Sebelius is it.  And that's what Obamacare says.  I don't know how many times it says it in there, but the phrase "as the secretary shall determine," meaning the secretary of Health and Human Services.  Well, Sebelius is determined a 10-year-old doesn't get the lung.  She doesn't get a lung transplant 'cause she is 10 years old, and you have to be 12 to get a lung transplant under the current regulations.




What we have here is a clearly incompetent bureaucrat making a life and death decision.  The only part of "Death Panel" that might be wrong in this particular case is "Panel".


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19256896 - 12/10/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, absolutely!


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19256934 - 12/10/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Death panels were the lie of the year in 2009.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

There are no death panels.


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    #19257034 - 12/10/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
"The ACA does not allow IPAB to recommend rationing health care. The text of ACA explicitly states that IPAB cannot make "any recommendation to ration health care... or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria." A Politifact analysis reported that IPAB is "forbidden from submitting 'any recommendation to ration health care.'" Washington Post's Glenn Kessler pointed out that the ACA "explicitly says that the recommendations cannot lead to rationing of health care"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/26/fox-news-uses-nuclear-option-to-revive-death-pa/197065


Misleading people by calling it a death panel, doesn't make it a death panel. It mostly means you're misleading.



I am so happy that some WaPo columnist has taken it upon himself to define just what is and is not a death panel.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/kathleen-sebelius-childs-lung-transplant-92237.html
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/06/05/death_panel_secretary_sebelius_denies_lung_transplant_for_10_year_old_girl

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Death panels.  Just exactly what Sarah Palin said, exactly what we all knew. Obamacare establishes death panels, and right now Sebelius is it.  And that's what Obamacare says.  I don't know how many times it says it in there, but the phrase "as the secretary shall determine," meaning the secretary of Health and Human Services.  Well, Sebelius is determined a 10-year-old doesn't get the lung.  She doesn't get a lung transplant 'cause she is 10 years old, and you have to be 12 to get a lung transplant under the current regulations.




What we have here is a clearly incompetent bureaucrat making a life and death decision.  The only part of "Death Panel" that might be wrong in this particular case is "Panel".





By your own standards, Wells Fargo must have a death panel somewhere in it.

"Around the time of Mr. Gonzalez's ouster, Wells Fargo and United Health Care reps asked his wife ‘numerous questions’ about her daughter’s treatment and made ‘several references… to the cost of her treatment,’ the lawsuit states.
Also, around the same time as these cagey comments, Mr. Gonzalez's Wells Fargo supervisor alighted on something of a witch hunt, the suit alleges, searching for reasons to fire the beleaguered employee."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185284/Lawsuit-Wells-Fargo-fired-dead-daughters-terminal-cancer-cost-fight-company-health-care-plan.html


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    #19257119 - 12/10/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
"The ACA does not allow IPAB to recommend rationing health care. The text of ACA explicitly states that IPAB cannot make "any recommendation to ration health care... or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria." A Politifact analysis reported that IPAB is "forbidden from submitting 'any recommendation to ration health care.'" Washington Post's Glenn Kessler pointed out that the ACA "explicitly says that the recommendations cannot lead to rationing of health care"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/26/fox-news-uses-nuclear-option-to-revive-death-pa/197065


Misleading people by calling it a death panel, doesn't make it a death panel. It mostly means you're misleading.



I am so happy that some WaPo columnist has taken it upon himself to define just what is and is not a death panel.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/kathleen-sebelius-childs-lung-transplant-92237.html
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/06/05/death_panel_secretary_sebelius_denies_lung_transplant_for_10_year_old_girl

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Death panels.  Just exactly what Sarah Palin said, exactly what we all knew. Obamacare establishes death panels, and right now Sebelius is it.  And that's what Obamacare says.  I don't know how many times it says it in there, but the phrase "as the secretary shall determine," meaning the secretary of Health and Human Services.  Well, Sebelius is determined a 10-year-old doesn't get the lung.  She doesn't get a lung transplant 'cause she is 10 years old, and you have to be 12 to get a lung transplant under the current regulations.




What we have here is a clearly incompetent bureaucrat making a life and death decision.  The only part of "Death Panel" that might be wrong in this particular case is "Panel".





By your own standards, Wells Fargo must have a death panel somewhere in it.

"Around the time of Mr. Gonzalez's ouster, Wells Fargo and United Health Care reps asked his wife ‘numerous questions’ about her daughter’s treatment and made ‘several references… to the cost of her treatment,’ the lawsuit states.
Also, around the same time as these cagey comments, Mr. Gonzalez's Wells Fargo supervisor alighted on something of a witch hunt, the suit alleges, searching for reasons to fire the beleaguered employee."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185284/Lawsuit-Wells-Fargo-fired-dead-daughters-terminal-cancer-cost-fight-company-health-care-plan.html



Yeah, so?  Your link

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The suit doesn't link Mr. Gonzalez's ouster - and his policy's cancellation - to his daughter's demise, as a Good Samaritan charity subsequently spotted him a year's health coverage under COBRA, a lawyer for Mr Gonzalez reportedly said.




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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19257957 - 12/10/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Zappaisgod = aka major butthurt.


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Re: It's a sad state of affairs when your party needs to be coached on how to run against women. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19265244 - 12/12/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So you agree that getting your health insurance pulled isn't a death sentence.


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    #19266617 - 12/12/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It isn't for me


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