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Rational reasons to be religious....?
    #19232010 - 12/05/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?


I have heard some level headed ideas but honestly to date I can't say it stands up to deep scrutiny.  I understand some concepts for believe in a higher power - one being the complexity and odds of a world coming together that works like it does but there are also a lot of ways to view that and say that is how evolution works.

I've also heard the idea that something doesn't come from nothing so what started the world?

On the other hand in my experiences of religious services I can't honestly I've seen it go much farther than the way people believe in it that causes an effect on them.  I'm more agnostic overall personally, but religion hasn't sold me too much, even more so the mainstream American religions.   

Also when any religion hates on groups of people like gay and lesbians they lose me right there and I lose respect for people who follow that part of religion.  The logic behind that makes no sense-  If God created people in his image as religions say then surely it shouldn't discriminate based on your sexuality.  I never saw in the bible where it said God loves everyone except for gay, bi and lesbian people. :hypnotic:

Also why do people pray to Jesus over God, if God is the creator isn't he who people would be praying to?  :confused:

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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2] * 2
    #19232059 - 12/05/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are none.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19232070 - 12/05/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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skatealex2 said:
Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?


I have heard some level headed ideas but honestly to date I can't say it stands up to deep scrutiny.  I understand some concepts for believe in a higher power - one being the complexity and odds of a world coming together that works like it does but there are also a lot of ways to view that and say that is how evolution works.

I've also heard the idea that something doesn't come from nothing so what started the world?

On the other hand in my experiences of religious services I can't honestly I've seen it go much farther than the way people believe in it that causes an effect on them.  I'm more agnostic overall personally, but religion hasn't sold me too much, even more so the mainstream American religions.   

Also when any religion hates on groups of people like gay and lesbians they lose me right there and I lose respect for people who follow that part of religion.  The logic behind that makes no sense-  If God created people in his image as religions say then surely it shouldn't discriminate based on your sexuality.  I never saw in the bible where it said God loves everyone except for gay, bi and lesbian people. :hypnotic:

Also why do people pray to Jesus over God, if God is the creator isn't he who people would be praying to?  :confused:

:minifo:  :et:





Sounds like your conception is religion is pretty much limited to Christianity.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The_Ghost]
    #19232121 - 12/05/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sounds like your conception is religion is pretty much limited to Christianity.





Not at all actually, I guess my last question makes it sound like that but I know about a lot more than Christianity.


Edited by skatealex2 (12/05/13 04:44 PM)


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath] * 1
    #19232148 - 12/05/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There are none.




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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
    #19232182 - 12/05/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Organized religion = NO.

Hope/Spirituality = YES.

But doing what feels good is still my favorite answer. Just ponder, no one can give any real answers, just ways to cope with the unknown. :tinfoil:


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19232185 - 12/05/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sounds like your conception is religion is pretty much limited to Christianity.





Not at all actually, I guess my last question makes it sound like that but I know about a lot more than Christianity.



Not all religions have a God. They are just belief structures like any other. Is it rational to adhere to a belief structure? Perhaps give this a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Futuresight] * 2
    #19232195 - 12/05/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As far as im concerned, if someone decides to be religious because they feel as though it enriches their life, and or helps them live with less anxiety or fear; that is a rational decision and has a measurable effect on their own happiness.



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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #19232199 - 12/05/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?





why do you agnostoatheists always try and choke your beliefs down everyone's
throats, why cant you people just keep that shit to yourself and be more
tolerant of other people's beliefs?


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Irfan]
    #19232200 - 12/05/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

personally I think religion is really interesting and awesome so I have just gotten more into it over time :shrug:


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The_Ghost]
    #19232224 - 12/05/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?





why do you agnostoatheists always try and choke your beliefs down everyone's
throats, why cant you people just keep that shit to yourself and be more
tolerant of other people's beliefs?




I don't really.  I'm not even an atheist but I'm not into religion ether.  I was asking a legit question tho-  if anyone has a reasonable explanation to believe in religion. I'm not shoving my views down anyone's throats, I don't really care if other people are religious or not.

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skatealex2 said:
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The_Ghost said:
Sounds like your conception is religion is pretty much limited to Christianity.





Not at all actually, I guess my last question makes it sound like that but I know about a lot more than Christianity.



Not all religions have a God. They are just belief structures like any other. Is it rational to adhere to a belief structure? Perhaps give this a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality





I hear that. I guess that's where religion can be weird -  what if religion didn't need a belief structure tho or was kind of like an open field just based on a few key ideas?

There are some interesting things in the original biblical texts.  I don't have examples to show right now but there were some areas that were on point scientifically with some of the oldest texts.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #19232244 - 12/05/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Cojo said:
There are none.



Actually, there's one: your own personal experience leads you to the undeniable conclusion that [insert deity name here] exists, beyond all doubt.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: g00ru]
    #19232250 - 12/05/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

One day I went to a church and asked the Priest there, or minister, pastor, I don't know, why he believed what he believed.

[Begin paraphrasing: He told me that he had stopped interpreting the bible literally 20 years before. He said that he still preached the Bible like a non-fiction book, because "if the people don't believe that the stories are believable, then they lose faith, which in turn diseases their hope for heaven. And why would you treat your neighbor with utmost kindness if there was no hell?"/paraphrasing]

All this, and other research, personal opinions and such leads me to believe that Religion is not the truth, it is just a way to live, a code. It is hope, that all of the pain, all of the joy, everything that happens to you, is for a reason. If your God(s) wanted you to know the truth, you wouldn't be human.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Futuresight] * 2
    #19232868 - 12/05/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have no problem with people believing in whatever the fuck they believe in.  When that belief system starts forcing standards on the rest of the population, that is where I have an issue.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19232875 - 12/05/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Rational reason? Because they want to. That's all they need. I really don't care one way or the other what people want to believe or put their faith in as long as they don't try to force it on myself or look down on me/others who might not agree with them.

Who am I / we to judge.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19232879 - 12/05/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have no problem with people believing in whatever the fuck they believe in.  When that belief system starts forcing standards on the rest of the population, that is where I have an issue.




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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #19232880 - 12/05/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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why do you agnostoatheists always try and choke your beliefs down everyone's
throats, why cant you people just keep that shit to yourself and be more
tolerant of other people's beliefs?




I never preach agnosticism. 

When people say "bless you" after I sneeze, I say "thank you."

When people say "God bless" after a conversation, I say "thank you."

That doesn't mean I will ever utter those phrases, but I appreciate their apparent care for my well being.

Just like their are some Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. who don't try to force their beliefs on others, there are plenty of agnostics and atheists who don't preach their beliefs as well.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19232911 - 12/05/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19232927 - 12/05/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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skatealex2 said:
Have you ever spoke to anyone that gave you a rational explanation as to why they believe in religion or are religious?





why do you agnostoatheists always try and choke your beliefs down everyone's
throats, why cant you people just keep that shit to yourself and be more
tolerant of other people's beliefs?




I don't really.  I'm not even an atheist but I'm not into religion ether.  I was asking a legit question tho-  if anyone has a reasonable explanation to believe in religion. I'm not shoving my views down anyone's throats, I don't really care if other people are religious or not.

Quote:

The_Ghost said:
Quote:

skatealex2 said:
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The_Ghost said:
Sounds like your conception is religion is pretty much limited to Christianity.





Not at all actually, I guess my last question makes it sound like that but I know about a lot more than Christianity.



Not all religions have a God. They are just belief structures like any other. Is it rational to adhere to a belief structure? Perhaps give this a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality





I hear that. I guess that's where religion can be weird -  what if religion didn't need a belief structure tho or was kind of like an open field just based on a few key ideas?

There are some interesting things in the original biblical texts.  I don't have examples to show right now but there were some areas that were on point scientifically with some of the oldest texts.



Your beliefs are structured whether or not you limit yourself to a particular structure consciously.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19232938 - 12/05/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Believing in some purpose can be very beneficial. The belief itself is often irrational, but the benefits are very tangible. I think of it as a placebo cure for being unmotivated.


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