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PrimalSoup
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
#19168199 - 11/21/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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had a trip yesterday, I did not have an ego death but certainly did got hints of how it would be
Mmm, no you didn't. How it would be is not anything you can even think about. Don't try. 
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but in the trip I felt it was the truth....
That's the trouble with tripping... 
Now, you know, it's true that all is one, and that we each individually only appear to have separate conscious experience, and that there are some serious barriers working to keep anybody from realizing their fundamental identity with the godhead, and that when you trip hard enough these barriers dissolve and you get to experience this cosmic oneness directly...
But people in general can't handle that, so they call it "ego death" or other names - which are just meaningless labels that confuse people - and if it happens they try to talk themselves out of it, and if it happens to somebody else they try to talk them out of it, as if somehow it's not real. It is real, you can experience it, and WHEN you experience it, even if only once, it has the power to change you FOREVER.
But you can't be a good conforming cog in the social machinery if you've seen the lie at the heart of it - the lie that denies your essential divinity and identification with everything - because who could possibly OWN you after that happens? You'd become fucking dangerous, an unpredictable entity with a mind of its own (when you weren't linked up with everything), and there'd be no way to control you anymore. And that would be bad for everybody who doesn't share this insight or denies it. 
So just be careful who you share these essential truths with, that's all. 
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JacksonMetaller said: why don't you like that idea?
everyone is a hippie inside they just dont know ;-) everyone is you / me;)
but that is just my experience 
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
#19168638 - 11/21/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Egodeath is a term that gets thrown around a lot. Most people who claim to have it these days really haven't. It's not like a badge of honor or something. People talk about it like it's some great accomplishment, or some profound thing. It's not.
I especially hate it when people think ego means egotistical when it's supposed to mean ego in the Freudian sense.
I've really grown to hate the term just because of how it gets thrown around, and how inaccurately it's used. Seems like every new member just throws into their trip reports "and then I experienced ego death" when it's clear they don't even know what they're saying. They just say it because they think it will make them look cool or experienced or something.
Saying egodeath does not make you cool. The thing that the term originally referred to is a really brutal experience that you would probably want to avoid if you could.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: nooneman]
#19230234 - 12/05/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always saw tripping as a tool to experience things differently, see funny stuff and feel like Alice in wonderland feeling you are dreaming etc. But always with the thought that, that experience is not real. Like a magic trick is not real.
Seeing that some people here think that those tripping experiences are real. Makes me don't like tripping anymore. It would be the same as you're drunk and seeing double, that the world in reality is double as well. Nah don't like such ideas at all. And I don't understand how people can find fulfillment in that.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19230414 - 12/05/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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had a trip yesterday, I did not have an ego death but certainly did got hints of how it would be
Mmm, no you didn't. How it would be is not anything you can even think about. Don't try. 
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but in the trip I felt it was the truth....
That's the trouble with tripping... 
Now, you know, it's true that all is one, and that we each individually only appear to have separate conscious experience, and that there are some serious barriers working to keep anybody from realizing their fundamental identity with the godhead, and that when you trip hard enough these barriers dissolve and you get to experience this cosmic oneness directly...
But people in general can't handle that, so they call it "ego death" or other names - which are just meaningless labels that confuse people - and if it happens they try to talk themselves out of it, and if it happens to somebody else they try to talk them out of it, as if somehow it's not real. It is real, you can experience it, and WHEN you experience it, even if only once, it has the power to change you FOREVER.
But you can't be a good conforming cog in the social machinery if you've seen the lie at the heart of it - the lie that denies your essential divinity and identification with everything - because who could possibly OWN you after that happens? You'd become fucking dangerous, an unpredictable entity with a mind of its own (when you weren't linked up with everything), and there'd be no way to control you anymore. And that would be bad for everybody who doesn't share this insight or denies it. 
So just be careful who you share these essential truths with, that's all. 
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I experienced the 'ego death' and oneness, enlightenment, etc in a couple of my trips. The only thing I wonder is how do I know that it is really real and not just...drugs..even though it felt as real as anything. That, and how do I know that there is really only 1 consciousness, that it doesn't just feel like that because I am 1 person.
As far as what it actually is, is hard to say. I only REALLY felt the the oneness for a split second a few times. It's almost like you black out in a way just for half a second, and come back just thinking 'I get it, I can't explain it but I get it'.
It's like, think of a white wall, if I show it to you you don't know where on the wall to focus. But if I make a mark on that wall suddenly that's all you focus on. Just like our brain/thoughts, in oneness you are simply the wall, with no point of focus, any thought is a mark on the wall. IDK if that makes sense but it does in my head.
Thoughts in my head during the trip felt like bugs flying through the air. It felt like if my head wasn't stuck to my body it could of floated off anywhere. When no thoughts were in my head I quite literally felt like a plant.
What makes me think it's all real is that I did no research about oneness, enlightenment, consciousness, or any of that before the trip. Like literally, didn't think about any of that any time before. But when I researched what I felt after the trip it was scary how similar other peoples descriptions were to my own. I remember the phrase 'pure consciousness' popped into my head as a way of describing it, and I've seen that phrase around after that experience.
What's funny is that one of the times I felt it me and my friend were playing GTA 5. It was on a bigscreen and we were driving on the mountainy roads(we just swapped 1 controller back and forth, but it didn't seem to matter who was playing because of how out of body I was). The graphics of that natury road were really beautiful, it was more or less like this...
We both started laughing and crying, like actually crying, during the drive. But it wasn't like, stoned off weed dumb laughing, it didn't feel pointless. It was just because of how awesome it was, in the most literal sense of the word. This song was also playing and it really helped the mood..
I know it sounds silly to say you felt enlightenment while playing GTA 5, but it was just because of the nature scene and the music...and the fact that we both had about 8 grams in us.. that kicked it in so hard. Easily one of the most amazing moments of my life.
Edited by Thecrimson (12/05/13 09:35 AM)
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Thecrimson]
#19230431 - 12/05/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a really good way of describing some of the psychedelic states.
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JacksonMetaller said: why don't you like that idea?
Because it means you're every bad guy that ever lived and his victims experiencing all of their torments.
It's hard to be ok with that even if you are all the good people and have experienced all of the "good things".
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Allisterem]
#19231041 - 12/05/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah good point also. What I understand is that shrooms and other psychedelics make different connections in the brain. This is for me a huge hint that the experience is not real and it might be still in your head. Even being one with other things can still be inside your head. Because that too can be an hallucination. Like on shrooms you sometimes see patterns on the wall or halo's around streetlights. Because you see them while tripping does not mean there are actually halo's and patterns.
What I do believe is that you see the world subjectivity sober. The believe system that you have is not necessary true. For an example if you are teased a lot in the past you might think you are less than other people. Even though in reality people don’t think that about you. I believe psychedelics dampen those believe systems so that you can look things from a new perspective.
IMHO the best thing to do is to see it as an experience from which you can learn more about yourself and nothing more.
Edited by spikeycloud (12/05/13 12:36 PM)
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
#19231097 - 12/05/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's definitely was amazing the first time i experienced ego death. I didn't nesscary think everyone died or disappeared, but we are not what we think we are. We are just conscious energies, that push and pull different conscious energies in and out of out lives. Our bodies had nothing to do with are actually selves. It was just a vessel. All that mattered was our minds. It was truly profound moment for me in my life.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Trrrex92]
#19231165 - 12/05/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So ego death everyone speaks of is when you become one with everything? Sounds like some new age bullshit to me. As a person who has studied conspiracy stuff for a decade, who has studied scripture and seen how flawed the entire "Christian" system is, and religion in general, but obtaining eternal truth from therein, without being subdued with theological nonsense. And after seeing how much of a mind fuck reality truly is, it will be interesting to see what new introspection I receive from the sacred fungi, to reach new levels of wisdom and enlightenment.
Now if one views ego death as examining oneself, seeing the flaws of oneself, and the wrongs one has done, as many have described, and going about to change in order to become a more wholesome human being, and seeing how insignificant mankind is, yet how important at the same time, to that I can relate. Man is small in greatness, and again great in smallness.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Trrrex92]
#19231185 - 12/05/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nobody can tell you who you are, you just know
But personally I am the same as before (same always), and my body is a reflection of my inner state always
so I can learn a lot by just noticing my body if it is unhealthy the mind is usually too, and reverse too often
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: lessismore]
#19231204 - 12/05/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep I saw a documentary that claimed that you can change your brains with your body and vice versa. There is scientific proof to back that up too.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
#19231232 - 12/05/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mio said: Nobody can tell you who you are, you just know
But personally I am the same as before (same always), and my body is a reflection of my inner state always
so I can learn a lot by just noticing my body if it is unhealthy the mind is usually too, and reverse too often
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spikeycloud said: Yep I saw a documentary that claimed that you can change your brains with your body and vice versa. There is scientific proof to back that up too.
You guys should listen to this..
Take it with a grain of salt since it's hard to know how much is actually factual, but it relates to what you're saying.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Thecrimson]
#19231355 - 12/05/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's like, think of a white wall, if I show it to you you don't know where on the wall to focus. But if I make a mark on that wall suddenly that's all you focus on. Just like our brain/thoughts, in oneness you are simply the wall, with no point of focus, any thought is a mark on the wall. IDK if that makes sense but it does in my head.
That's a pretty good observation. Check yer ratings. 
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Edited by PrimalSoup (12/05/13 02:03 PM)
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PrimalSoup
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So ego death everyone speaks of is when you become one with everything?
No, of course not. It's when you stop existing as an independent "entity" conscious of itself. That's a much scarier prospect when it happens for the first time.
"Becoming one with everything" is just a perversion of Buddhist teaching. It's like that lame joke:
This Buddhist monk walks up to a hot dog cart and says, "Make me one with everything."
The popular perversion - like all popular "knowledge" - fails to transmit anything of value. As if, somehow, we were all the same, and didn't realize it, but how warm and fuzzy it would be if we did. That's bullshit.
What actually happens at the point of ego dissolution is completely indescribable. There are no boundaries, no barriers, no division of self and other - because there is no self. Experiencing this firsthand feels like mainlining God. Most people reach for some sort of religious analogy or another to try and depict it. But there is no religious understanding either, because there is NO UNDERSTANDING IT AT ALL. That's why it's initially so confusing, you want to make sense of it but can't.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19231484 - 12/05/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ego- The self, especially as distinct from the world or other people. So death of this technically is saying loss of one's identity. However, identity in and of itself is a metaphysical "idea" that has no concrete structure- meaning it can change through experiences in life- whether they be drug induced or not.
Anyways, I have only tripped once and never experienced this feeling- however it sounds like a feeling where one feels connected to EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. As if I would be a part of the whole. As if we are no longer different, or distinct from others, but connected to them- a sense of unity with the human race it sounds like. This is all speculation of course, and I'm not saying I am right or wrong, because in this situation and context I don't think there is a right and wrong- I think it is merely individual interpretation of an experience many people have had whilst expanding their mind with a psychedelic substance. Just my .02
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: rcm61132110]
#19231914 - 12/05/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Ego death" is just a name. It's not identity loss but loss of self, entirely. Not technically, not an "idea", not a concept, not anything you can even think about - beyond thought altogether.
The sense of unity is merely the inevitable flip side of the coin. If there's no you, then there's no them, and there's no distinction between any of that anymore. Buddhism has another name for it, the end of Samsara. And it's not unity with the human race, or even with all life, but unity with the universe, because all division has ended. 
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19231937 - 12/05/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You do not have to worry about permanently destroying your ego. If you let it go during a trip, your ego will be right back there with you in short time. Even if you want to destroy your ego, it will still come back.
If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to destroy your ego permanently, that will take much time and effort.
So you have nothing to worry about.
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
#19232214 - 12/05/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spikeycloud said: Ok I had a trip yesterday, I did not have an ego death but certainly did got hints of how it would be so I looked it up during the trip and now I do truly understand what it means...And I find it very hard to accept it and let it go. I just don't like the idea that everything and everyone is you.. but in the trip I felt it was the truth....I thought the whole night of this and could not sleep.
Are there any tips to accept this revelation in your life because I feel a bit bad now. 
this is one of the reason people tend to think they are enlightened in fact they arent, from the small ego during the trip u switch to the large ego, u become one with the consciousness this is still an observer and still identification in this case not with the body but with the whole consciousness..
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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: blckmynnse8]
#19232218 - 12/05/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blckmynnse8 said: You do not have to worry about permanently destroying your ego. If you let it go during a trip, your ego will be right back there with you in short time. Even if you want to destroy your ego, it will still come back.
If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to destroy your ego permanently, that will take much time and effort.
So you have nothing to worry about.
there is no ego and there is nothing to destroy its all about letting go all the attachments
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