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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19233999 - 12/05/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

evolution comes from time and other considerations, such as place, space, survival.

not everyone has those things in spades, you know... in fact, barely no one in this world does... even the people who think they do, don't.

so hence you get people reeling back from "evolution" as it doesn't fucking help them at all.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19234008 - 12/05/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A common argument is that religion although possibly untrue, is just something to give hope to people who have none. It gives people a semi-good moral code of conduct.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19234012 - 12/05/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And as far the "who cares if it makes people feel better" claim, sure, it improves some lives. I could write an encyclopedia on the negatives of religion. People shouldnt need a gun to their head to do good. Making the world a better place for humanity should be more than enough. Have faith in people, in society. Not a make believe superman who really isn't all that super to begin with.



yeah, well as it was said earlier... it's a placeholder. alot of people are stupid-heads and don't care to learn past the meager unknown. so, can i blame them? :shrug: this world gives nothing to no one. so how can i judge? there's alot of religious people who put more of their faith in people then they do God. alot alot. just because you don't see them preaching about empirical evidence or how "God is dead", doesn't mean their thinking is skewed into thinking it's all about "one dude up in the sky". people's thoughts are more complex then that.

if you really had faith in people, you should recognize that.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: EnemaOfState] * 2
    #19234021 - 12/05/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A common argument is that religion although possibly untrue, is just something to give hope to people who have none. It gives people a semi-good moral code of conduct.




False hope.

Would you rather some poor bastard waste away his life praying and giving money for the church to die poor hoping for paradise? Only to end up with a shitty 65 year long existence on his resume? Or should he realize that this life he's lucked into is finite and he should make the absolute best of it?


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19234026 - 12/05/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

people can have false hope without devoutly toiling or meandering or giving into the church.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19234032 - 12/05/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And as far the "who cares if it makes people feel better" claim, sure, it improves some lives. I could write an encyclopedia on the negatives of religion. People shouldnt need a gun to their head to do good. Making the world a better place for humanity should be more than enough. Have faith in people, in society. Not a make believe superman who really isn't all that super to begin with.



yeah, well as it was said earlier... it's a placeholder. alot of people are stupid-heads and don't care to learn past the meager unknown. so, can i blame them? :shrug: this world gives nothing to no one. so how can i judge? there's alot of religious people who put more of their faith in people then they do God. alot alot. just because you don't see them preaching about empirical evidence or how "God is dead", doesn't mean their thinking is skewed into thinking it's all about "one dude up in the sky". people's thoughts are more complex then that.

if you really had faith in people, you should recognize that.




You're right. Just look at Pope Francis. But it shouldnt have taken all we've suffered under the guise of God's will to arrive at this conclusion.

Wouldnt it be pretty great if we didn't have radical Islam to deal with? Or Zionist Israel? Superstition never ends soon enough, and is dangerous no matter the positive side effects.

Can't we just be happy without God? Why do we need such a shitty crutch?


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19234041 - 12/05/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

because people can let go of self-identification with the past.

that's all. not religions fault. it's people's fault for being how they are.

they made all this shit, and when it comes time to undo it... NAHHHH... religion, politics, black-white thinking... it all serves the greater agenda of pushing for a bigger bigger and well bigger world. with more stuff in it. yeah! ego! mind! YAY!1

the more the merrier seems to be our collective slogan. but the most devout of religion and the most devout in science, warns people of this fascination with "more stuff" and people choose not to listen in favor of the "next big thing" we can all learn to appreciate maybe have cater to our whims. space replica vitamin food capsules? fine, but only if we actually get cars that go into space. then i'm cool with that.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19234053 - 12/05/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

a universal understanding of reality would be pretty good imo.

The biggest problem with humanity today is divisiveness. We have so much god damn potential and we waste it trying to destroy each other.

Unity and a common goal is what's going to unite this world, and theres no bigger obstacle to unity in this world than religion.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19234055 - 12/05/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

there's many reasons to consider God's existence other than emotional or psychological ones. He might just actually exist. You can find God via a search for yourself or a search for truth. A search that will indeed go beyond the limitations of one's individual ego.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19234067 - 12/05/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'd say politics. but lets just agree to disagree.

personally, i think it's because people don't know the meaning of love. :shrug: or how to make love... or how to please one another without thinking that the other is their property (back to politics)

i think those things harm more then religion in the long run... just religion gets all the clout for being the "big bad guy" because by happenstance, when religion came to be, so did black-white thinking of the doom cult aesthetic.

"we're all gonna die anyways so..."


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19234089 - 12/05/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i'd say politics. but lets just agree to disagree.

personally, i think it's because people don't know the meaning of love. :shrug: or how to make love... or how to please one another without thinking that the other is their property (back to politics)

i think those things harm more then religion in the long run... just religion gets all the clout for being the "big bad guy" because by happenstance, when religion came to be, so did black-white thinking of the doom cult aesthetic.

"we're all gonna die anyways so..."




I'd say it's probably a tie between politics and religion. The two party dichotomy has pretty much devolved into cult thinking at this point anyways.

I wonder: will a one world government exist before organized religion dies? I imagine the two would influence each other a great deal.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19234111 - 12/05/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A one world government would probably use some form of religion to exist


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19234115 - 12/05/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

oh the two influence each other alright. the only reason we have the notion of a one world government is because of religions hold on people's beliefs and how people condemn other parts of the world for merely existing as a separate part of the world.

still, i can't blame people for living how people have existed on this world for thousands of years; especially if they aren't particularly involved in these fields. it's the people who think they're so ding dang good at "their job" that they're gonna revolutionize something in their field. personally, i think that sorta of thinking is more damaging then when people think there is some "sky dude" presiding over the Earth.

those people working for religions hold and politics hold on day to day existence of humans, are the people who are deluded. not the people who are surrounded by these things because they merely exist in it all.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #19234187 - 12/05/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the reason you are supposed to pray to god through Jesus is because through Jesus the blood price was paid to make us clean and righteous before god. its kind of like how you have to have a modem to get to the internet. god would be the internet and Jesus the modem. 
  And as for sexuality goes. our sexuality was given to us by god as a means to reproduce. Gods plan was for man to live on paradise earth without death, to subdue it and reproduce and to praise god.
  But Satan challenged gods authority to rule over mankind. satan wanted to be worshiped like god so he tricked eve and adam, thus bringing death into the world. and god allowed this challenge to play out. for man to choose what is best for himself. but after Armageddon satans challenge will no longer have to be tested again. people will know the results of living in a world controlled by the unrightious. those that want to live forever on paradise earth and warship the one true god will.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: EnemaOfState]
    #19234590 - 12/05/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A common argument is that religion although possibly untrue, is just something to give hope to people who have none. It gives people a semi-good moral code of conduct.




i would reject both of those claims. religion cannot be reduced to being just something people turn to when they're afraid. while this may be true in some cases, i would say that religion's end, on the part of the devotee at least, is to express your religious beliefs through the observation of a tradition. you must remember that not everyone is looking to get the best seat in heaven. and while religion certainly enforces moral codes it is by no means their source. i would argue that it's the other way around and that religion is predicated on morals we have already found to be good. it's a way of expressing what's going on inside us. we take these innate structures of our being and overlay reality with them in order to account for what's there. at least that's how i see it.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: millzy]
    #19234591 - 12/05/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

theosophy existed before religion. you needed the beliefs in good, before you could have the belief in Gods and heaven and hell, and the after life and ones place in it.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Futuresight]
    #19234608 - 12/06/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Organized religion = NO.

Hope/Spirituality = YES.

But doing what feels good is still my favorite answer. Just ponder, no one can give any real answers, just ways to cope with the unknown. :tinfoil:




And boy is that unknown a bitch.
I think organized religion is just a bunch of people getting together to try and figure this shit out. Of course no one knows if anybody is right. What matters is the ritual. You should read some Terrence Mckenna he has some great theories as to why we even developed ritual practices. but religion has obviously played a heavy role in our history. So I wouldn't scoff at it to much.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #19234642 - 12/06/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Religion is important. But I just saw something the other day about the Pope explaining how he use to be a body guard and how he tweeted. it made me :facepalm: It makes it seem like such a joke IMO. My world was much simpler when I believed in religion as the end all be all.


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19235516 - 12/06/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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theosophy existed before religion. you needed the beliefs in good, before you could have the belief in Gods and heaven and hell, and the after life and ones place in it.




I'd love to go back in time and watch the face of the first hominid to think "maybe bashing Steve's skull in for his share of the kill isn't so fair to Steve."


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Re: Rational reasons to be religious....? [Re: vbug66]
    #19235612 - 12/06/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the reason you are supposed to pray to god through Jesus is because through Jesus the blood price was paid to make us clean and righteous before god. its kind of like how you have to have a modem to get to the internet. god would be the internet and Jesus the modem. 
  And as for sexuality goes. our sexuality was given to us by god as a means to reproduce. Gods plan was for man to live on paradise earth without death, to subdue it and reproduce and to praise god.
  But Satan challenged gods authority to rule over mankind. satan wanted to be worshiped like god so he tricked eve and adam, thus bringing death into the world. and god allowed this challenge to play out. for man to choose what is best for himself. but after Armageddon satans challenge will no longer have to be tested again. people will know the results of living in a world controlled by the unrightious. those that want to live forever on paradise earth and warship the one true god will.




"our sexuality was given to us by god as a means to reproduce."

Really, I thought sex was just for pleasure, thanks for informing us that sex is for reproduction.


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