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8itlove
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How can I cope with a bad trip?
#19231333 - 12/05/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey peeps! So last night I had the most awful and terrifying experience of my life. It was the highest dose of psilocybin i had taken yet.. which was roughly three grams. I prepared myself to trip the way Terence McKenna suggests, alone in silent darkness.. In my last experiences I wanted to pay attention to the closed eye visuals but sometimes found it a bit overwhelming and I couldn't stop fidgeting long enough to bring myself to lye down.. But anyway back to last night.. I sat and ate all them all in about 5 or 6 big mouth fulls and chewed them thoroughly.. I tried to meditate while I waited but my nerves had overcome me for some reason before I even noticed any change in perception. I was shaking violently with nerves.. I begged a friend to meet me so I could get some reassurance and to take my mind off the come up because i find that uncomfortably hard to go through even on lower doses..(this friend has never taken any psycho actives before) So I abandoned my original plan with the intention of returning during the trip. It was beautiful at first even though I couldn't control my nerves.. but it seemed to get harder and harder and then my walk back home turned to what I can only describe as sheer anguish. Well im accidentally almost giving you a trip report here which isn't my intention.. But my thoughts looped over and over and audio hallucinations were shockingly loud.. I felt like my head was scrambled and my mind was being beaten.. I felt I couldn't trust psilocybin which is berserk because its such a beautiful thing.. I tried so hard to calm myself but couldn't do it.. It scared me beyond any description.. I felt like I was just going insane for hours on end.. and psychedelics are such a huge part of my life and thoughts. I dont know if I could bring myself to trip again.. which isn't an option really. Im wondering would anyone have any advice on how to cope with bad trips.. Please give me some hope and advice to take with me for when I muster up enough courage to return. Thanks in advance!
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: 8itlove]
#19231374 - 12/05/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have to be in a comfortable setting with enough time for the full trip. I love the beach. I don't like being around people that are sober. If things go down south I think of a destination I already had in my mind before the trip that can be a sanctuary. Make the sanctuary the most important goal in your mind and when you get there it is all relief.
Also, pack for the trip. I find that to be really helpful. I like to have food, water, a first-aid kit, a journal, a book on Buddhism, and my guitar. Bob Marley is always nice if he carries good connotations for you.
Focus on your breath and maybe be alone. Those always help me. It's a high and it goes away. Shrooms don't kill people. It'll be over soon enough.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: LittleDaddy]
#19231421 - 12/05/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's all in your head, man. especially on a dose like 3 g's. you HAVE to go in with a positive mindset, absolutely have to. don't be worried during the entire comeup that you're going to have a bad trip, because you will. just eat the boomers and say to yourself "i chose to do this, all i can do now is sit back and let it happen." once you've eaten them, there's no going back. so you might as well enjoy the ride right, whatever it brings?
mushroom trips are a beautiful thing. i don't even really believe in "bad trips", it's all about controlling your mindset and realizing that it is ONLY A DRUG. you WILL be fine after, and it WON'T last forever.
that being said, a few things you could try doing are definitely having water to drink. maybe some cigarettes to smoke, maybe some buddha to take the edge off if that's your proverbial cup of tea. another HUGE thing for me at least is to never plan/restrict your trip to any one/number of activities. it sounds like you were trying too hard to do it terence mckenna's way that you couldn't find a way to enjoy it yourself. it's nice to have options for stuff to do during a trip but don't limit yourself. just do whatever you're feeling like doing, whenever you're feeling like doing it.
one more bit that might help is to try tripping with someone else or a few people. for me, it is extremely comforting knowing that there's someone else with me experiencing exactly what i'm experiencing. kind of tethering you to reality, even though you're both tripping if that makes sense.
anyway hope this helped, this ended up being longer than i intended lol good vibes OP
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8itlove
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: LittleDaddy]
#19231438 - 12/05/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That sounds like great advice! Thank you! I have been a follower of Terence McKenna and I feel guilty unless I try to give my full attention to the trip.. but I need a lot more experience before I can trip alone in silent darkness.
Why didn't I think of a bit of Bob? Wow thank you, I never think of these things. I find it impossible to eat or drink anything but water when im tripping because my stomach is so unsettled and gassy from the mushrooms. My guitar should have came with me, i really could have sang away the bad vibes then.. I just have this idea that I mustn't have distractions.. Although I should look at it as a fun experience not almost like an obligation. As much as I love Terence McKenna's work it almost makes it feel like a task! It will be hard to gather courage again after last night.. but I cant keep away from something so beautiful.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: 8itlove]
#19231554 - 12/05/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, man it's a voyage. And you won't know what to expect or what you'll be feeling. Just be prepared for every scenario and you'll be okay.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: LittleDaddy]
#19231706 - 12/05/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Change up the music, change up the setting without increasing uncomfortable feelings ( go out on a walk in nature with people who are tripping )
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: Agentchewy]
#19231723 - 12/05/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find my bad trips to be good trips after it is over..
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: Jdiz]
#19231896 - 12/05/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had many intense solitary trips in darkness on high doses (5-10+ grams). Tensing up my muscles and remaining still while chanting (quietly repeating "om" works just fine), and sometimes will lead to glossolalia. Especially clenching the fists and pelvic/sphincter muscles is very effective. Laying down, stomach or back, or sitting up all worked, whatever made it easiest to tense up my muscles at that time. You don't even have to do it with all of your strength, just tense them up and it will settle things down.
Before this I used to go through a phase where I would start shaking and pacing around as if there were a bunch of chores I needed to complete. Then I learned the importance of controlling the physical body so that the consciousness could go elsewhere without worry. Keeping the vocal chords engaged with chanting also helps maintain balance and smooths out the flow of energy in the body.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: blckmynnse8]
#19232986 - 12/05/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blckmynnse8 said: Before this I used to go through a phase where I would start shaking and pacing around as if there were a bunch of chores I needed to complete.
Thats exactly it man, i pace around frantically and stand in one spot in astonishment but with a blank mind.. I cant settle! ..and also 5-10 grams!!? Wow!! Fair play man, must be the pinnacle of experience 
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jesslet said: it sounds like you were trying too hard to do it terence mckenna's way that you couldn't find a way to enjoy it yourself. it's nice to have options for stuff to do during a trip but don't limit yourself. just do whatever you're feeling like doing, whenever you're feeling like doing it.
Thank you Jesslet! I needed to hear someone say it for me to realize.. Dont get me wrong here I have a lot of respect for Terence.. but he kinda makes you feel guilty and labels it as almost recreational any other way.. when personally I think 1 gram could be a highly spiritual experience. From here on Il do what I do, there is no right or wrong way to trip!
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: 8itlove]
#19233171 - 12/05/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You've got a good attitude, bud. Let me know how the next trip goes!
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: 8itlove]
#19233243 - 12/05/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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With really high doses it's easier in darkness, especially if you are less experienced it is quite stressful to see the world disintegrate in front of your eyes.
Before I could really begin moving forward in my explorations I went through several trips that were very scary, including one that led me to vividly meditating on my own death which left me depressed for several days after experiencing the idea of physical decline and the end of everything you have ever known. Also reviewing my whole life and balancing my karma, it was not easy going back to things like early childhood experiences of being bullied by grade school teachers when I was only 6 or 7 years old... now I laugh at that stuff but at the time it was terrifying being around these asshole adults without my parents around. The first time I listened to Beethoven's 9th Symphony I almost ran outside screaming.
After I got past that stuff the next thing was learning what to do with the shaking, spasms, and feeling like I might choke when on the really high doses. All of a sudden intuitively I knew to start chanting a mantra and flexing my muscles to still my body. People doing meditation do the same thing when they pose, lock the muscles, and repeat a mantra. When you keep your body busy like that it leaves you free to go other places.
Once you get past spiritual hurdles like the ones above you can really appreciate resolving old subconscious issues and moving into new and exciting territory.
After experiencing several strong trips and learning what to do, it's like loading yourself into a cannon and launching yourself screaming through space and time. Having more control keeping your physical body in check is like making your space vehicle more maneuverable and maintaining a proper course.
edit: Don't be discouraged by the "downer" trips I mentioned, they needed to happen and now I feel better than ever after having those experiences.
Also, when you know you have no choice but to get yourself safely to the other side it's a major motivating factor in eliminating that fear.
On another note, a possible downside to having a "babysitter" around is that even when you tell them you are going to be alright you may still wind up doing something that will scare that person enough to cause them to call for help. You definitely don't want that to happen. The best thing to do is just clench your fists and tighten all of your muscles and say your mantra such as "om", "Thank you Jesus!", or whatever.
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Edited by blckmynnse8 (12/05/13 06:46 PM)
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: blckmynnse8]
#19233457 - 12/05/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont understand how people go out and about!! Ive done it and its like being trapped between worlds being around sober people. Ive always thought of the hyped feeling like the excitement I get when the roller coaster takes off. Im already strapped in and all I can do is throw my hands up and enjoy the ride. Like Terence McKenna said. Most people have got out alive or something like that. Know its physically safe. He also talks about "talking to it". Telling it you cant take it. And singing. Even chanting.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: Smeagol]
#19234091 - 12/05/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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With experince there will be no such thing as a bad trip
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: Smeagol]
#19234159 - 12/05/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smeagol said: I dont understand how people go out and about!! Ive done it and its like being trapped between worlds being around sober people. Ive always thought of the hyped feeling like the excitement I get when the roller coaster takes off. Im already strapped in and all I can do is throw my hands up and enjoy the ride. Like Terence McKenna said. Most people have got out alive or something like that. Know its physically safe. He also talks about "talking to it". Telling it you cant take it. And singing. Even chanting.
It sounds crazy i know, but the talking, singing, or chanting really does help heaps!
Recite some buddhist mantras in your head even works.
Good ambient music, or soundscapes can't hurt the vibe either.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: Legend]
#19236320 - 12/06/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Legend said: It sounds crazy i know, but the talking, singing, or chanting really does help heaps!
Recite some buddhist mantras in your head even works.
Good ambient music, or soundscapes can't hurt the vibe either.
I agree with Legend here, mantas, speaking, singing, and chanting can all help maintain your peace. Pick a favorite song of yours, and sing out loud!! Don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks or how well you sing, it doesn't matter. Sing your heart out I always love singing when I trip!
Also, I find that when I trip I consider myself an infant in need. Let me explain: When things in my trip start to go south, I have to evaluate what I need. Like a crying baby, I need SOMETHING. Whether it's food, water, different music, someone to talk to, sitting down, standing up, going to the bathroom, I figure out what I need to make my trip better and I carry that out. It sounds silly, but sometimes simple things like changing your socks can make your trip instantly better! Make sure you always assess what you need, and don't deny yourself anything you think you need in that moment.
OP, you sound like you are on the right path. Good luck to you in future journeys, and I hope you find your inner peace! Don't let Terence convince you to take your trips TOO seriously, they should be fun if you do them right! Peace to you, brother
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Edited by MindDrips (12/06/13 12:23 PM)
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: MindDrips] 1
#19236454 - 12/06/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bad trips like this are fairly common, they go with the territory, you just have to shake off the drug induced thoughts. I am not trying to be a killjoy, but you are gonna run into more trips like this one, if you keep tripping. Good trips out weigh the bad ones, but bad trips can be very traumatic experiences. Like I said they go with the territory, you just gotta shake them off, and decide whether or not you are gonna continue to venture into psychedelia.
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Probably shouldn't have tried to call tour friend or really do anything beyond the original plan. I find bad trips were made for you to tough them out. To go into them head first. That's why they do the dark room doing nothing. I find even music can be too distracting. Silent darkness has always been my favorite. It's been quite the wild ride but i can imagine if you don't take the time to embrace the insanity. Even learn to love it. You won't truly see the benefits of psychedelic drugs. Every bad trip is your fault. Not the drugs fault. Always remember that.
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Re: How can I cope with a bad trip? [Re: Mad Season]
#19237039 - 12/06/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said: I find bad trips were made for you to tough them out. To go into them head first. That's why they do the dark room doing nothing.
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