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Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium (Updated with pics)
#19230878 - 12/05/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I have these jars I made. All inoculated via G2G on 11/11. Here's a group shot, and then each jar individually.


 Here's a closeup of the first uncolonised jar,
 here's a closeup of the top of a random jar
 The problem is, it looks all white and fluffy, like cobweb mould would. I don't want to spawn these, (Some are at 100% already) if it's mould.
In comparison, here's a MS inoculated jar, also done on 11/11.



The spawn was WBS to Rye Berries, and the jars were a bit too full, which is why the first one isn't done, as i couldnt beark up the spaawn enough to evenly colonise it, and it's why the tops are clumpy. WBS is clumpy, and shite.
Edited by TheUnknownPoet (12/05/13 01:05 PM)
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19230885 - 12/05/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see no pics man.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19230892 - 12/05/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My G2G jars usually colonize in under 10 days max. Some only take 4-5 days depending on the colonized grain ratio.
Also, your pic didn't work.
Cobweb is grey and wispy. Will fill up a whole grain jar in a few days.
Can't confirm until pics though
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: d0urd3n]
#19230895 - 12/05/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm on a phone so I can't help out with a link but if you search for posts by me or click my profile and then go to my main threads I have a thread about cobweb woth some hidef pics
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: bodhisatta]
#19232861 - 12/05/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Giving this a bump so people can see it I added pictures
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19232882 - 12/05/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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whats with all the "cobweb" threads on grains, i thought it was a rare thing to see in anything other then casing layers i think it's bacteria
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: cronicr]
#19233481 - 12/05/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think bacteria is rhyzomprphic in nature, man....
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19233857 - 12/05/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19080507#19080507
here's some good pictures of cobweb on grain. I don't think that's what you have going on
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19233951 - 12/05/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheUnknownPoet said: I don't think bacteria is rhyzomprphic in nature, man....
i'm not talking about the rhizzo, pic 8 looks like a bacterial contam
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: cronicr]
#19234039 - 12/05/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheUnknownPoet said: I don't think bacteria is rhyzomprphic in nature, man....
i'm not talking about the rhizzo, pic 8 looks like a bacterial contam
I see a few grains in that photo that look odd. I agree that having all the other jars done, while having a jar show that....I Personally would toss the jar that is in photo #8. There are at least a few "slimy" looking grains that are uncolonized...Toss it to be safe....
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19236826 - 12/06/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im sure they are metabolites.
As i had the jars on a hot mat and it caused the mycelium to release metabolites everywhere. I've since taken them off the mat, and they've recovered fine.
Jar #8 is not done colonising, but, can i still make a monotub with only 5 qquarts of spawn?
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19236858 - 12/06/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well i gave you my opinion and will stick with it, those don't look good but best of luck to you and good vibes
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: cronicr]
#19237016 - 12/06/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, thanks-
I'll be waiting for more opinions anyhow,
I want to be sure. I'll probably end up tossing the jar anyways, or fruiting it seperately, but I shall wait and see.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19238568 - 12/06/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheUnknownPoet said: Alright, thanks-
I'll be waiting for more opinions anyhow,
I want to be sure. I'll probably end up tossing the jar anyways, or fruiting it seperately, but I shall wait and see.[/quote ] Take a couple of more pics of that last jar at different angles.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Enigma1]
#19238697 - 12/06/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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which jar?
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: cronicr]
#19238777 - 12/06/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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TheUnknownPoet said: I don't think bacteria is rhyzomprphic in nature, man....
i'm not talking about the rhizzo, pic 8 looks like a bacterial contam
 That melted icecream look to the mycelium and the hard edge along with the greasy looking grains. . . yup that's bacterial.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19239657 - 12/07/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Greasy looking jar everyone suspecting
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Enigma1]
#19240669 - 12/07/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by TheUnknownPoet (12/07/13 12:35 PM)
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19240784 - 12/07/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No question that shit is nasty. See the whitish wet stuff around the grains in pic 8 that looks a bit like jizz? That's bacteria. Toss that shit.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19240797 - 12/07/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah no doubt that's bacteria developing on those uncolonized grains.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Kizzle]
#19240866 - 12/07/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the jar is left like this, what will happen?
Is it possible for the mycelium to kill off the bacteria and colonize the grain? Just curious!
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: deadjesusrodeo]
#19240916 - 12/07/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yup should of shaken those shits a long time ago.
bet they smell sour in there.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: twistedty]
#19241650 - 12/07/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bacterial contamination can be a bit unpredictable. It's certainly possible for a bacteria contaminated jar to fruit but usually if you get bacteria like that it will prevent the substrate from fully colonizing. Normally I would say to shake it up and see if that causes the jar to stall completely but I have a feeling you couldn't shake those jars up if you tried.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Kizzle]
#19241790 - 12/07/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kizzle said: Bacterial contamination can be a bit unpredictable. It's certainly possible for a bacteria contaminated jar to fruit but usually if you get bacteria like that it will prevent the substrate from fully colonizing.
QFT:
I have tried in the past to fruit bacterial spawn, and like others before have experienced, it is hit or miss. Sometimes you get a flush, usually you get a secondary contamination from lack of colonization. After last spring, I learned quite a bit about grain spawn, and moisture content, and it bettered the hobby for me. As hard as this advice may be, I highly advise looking at each jar, and if they are all similar (Bacterial) toss them out. Your time would be well spent assessing where the infection derived from and to make a move to ensure that it cannot happen in the future. I think that the chance of success is so questionable, If it was me, Id rather feel loss of a few jars of spawn than the loss of a tub.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19241905 - 12/07/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That jars bacteria does not make me think it came with the inoculate, I would not be surprised at all if the others were fine. OP just make sure you give em a good smell before you spawn.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19241947 - 12/07/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Usually when the grains are too wet this is what will happened. Eventually the grains will turn black and smell sour or like something that people throw up. Be very careful when you try to smell the jar. I would not recommend sniffing it because your lung might end up with nasty stuffs from the jar. Who knows what is growing in there. I would say just toss it out. And if you really want to smell then gently wave the air with your hand. Don't sniff it with your nose, directly. I got sick for 1 month from directly inhaling it. Learned my lesson the hard way as a newbie. Just by looking now when in doubt toss it out.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19242002 - 12/07/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheUnknownPoet said: Here you go guys:

bang the hell out of that jar on a book and lay it sideways can you smell a sour smell coming from the jar?
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: MyTiny_Shroom]
#19242054 - 12/07/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MyTiny_Shroom said: Usually when the grains are too wet this is what will happened.
Could also be from too short of a PC cycle.
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MyTiny_Shroom said: Be very careful when you try to smell the jar. I would not recommend sniffing it because your lung might end up with nasty stuffs from the jar.
I would not bother smelling that jar, its obvious that its bacterial. I would give the other jars a smell before spawning just to be on the safe side, but for the most part they looked ok
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19242167 - 12/07/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh hell no ignore my last post I took a better look at the last pic throw that crap away quick before it contams something else.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: Enigma1]
#19305685 - 12/20/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, i've not been here in a while. Ya, these were contaminated, they smelled like dirt when i wafted them. In the meantime i made 9 more jars and they are colonising great, no signs of contamination nor bacterial. they are 65-70% done as well.
Im also growing a second species, and doing 4 LC's.
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Re: Can't tell if cobweb mould or mushroom mycelium [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
#19305694 - 12/20/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wut species?
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