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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19226179 - 12/04/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I can sit and smoke nice Moroccan pollen all day




Haha too funny, I just had to explain to somebody else that nobody smokes pollen. Pollen is only made by male plants, and it's not really something you want to smoke.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: empty space]
    #19226200 - 12/04/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I heard Terpenes can affect the way the cannabinoids hit you, i.e. that's why some buds have a "Creeper" high.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Echro]
    #19226247 - 12/04/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen Jeffrey Raber and heard his lectures. Guy knows his stuff, but I think somethings throwing everyone off as to what it means. Basically he's stating strain or phenotype characteristics do not correspond with a specific psychological effect.

However he does emphasize the "entourage effect" playing a significant role in identifying consistent and preferable response(entourage effect is the theory that combinations of various terpenoids and cannabinoids have synergistic and unique effects).

He also points out the most accurate ways to test for the presence and amount of these molecules is through liquid chromatography, which many laboratories do not have access to and instead utilize gas chromatography to innacurately represent a few basic compounds like THC, CBD, and CBN. There is a way to test different strains for an intended effect but the strain name is irrelevant to that determination.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19226258 - 12/04/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the title is just a little misleading then, eh?


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: aperson444]
    #19226262 - 12/04/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So? THC is the only signcantly psychoactive in cannabis. Obviously there's a diffence in potency and hardness of the plants etc but the effects u get from it r the same between strain IME




Far from the truth. We know that cannabidiol has a wide spectrum of effects that are indeed psychoactive. Alone, CBD is not psychoactive.

CBD is a 5HT1A receptor agonist. It is also an inverse agonist at the CB1 receptor. THC is only part of the picture.

THCV is a CBr antagonist (across the board). Terpenes might not affect the high a whole lot, but they sure as hell influence smell/flavor.

The other cannabinoids might not be extraordinarily abundant, but we have barely scratched the surface in terms of their potential effects in the human cannabinoid system.



U just said it urself, Cannabidiol is not psychoactive alone. The only thing that CBD and THCV r doing is taking the edge of the THC high. Also I'm 90% sure CBD is not an inverse agonist, if it was it'd have the complete opposite effects of THC, it's a partial agonist with an efficacy so low it acts as an antagonist. True about the terpenes


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19226272 - 12/04/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However he does emphasize the "entourage effect" playing a significant role in identifying consistent and preferable response(entourage effect is the theory that combinations of various terpenoids and cannabinoids have synergistic and unique effects).





So could it be argued that smoking oil concentrates is not ideal because you are separating the THC from it's "entourage"?


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19226281 - 12/04/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How come hashish gives a very different high from bud then..?

I can sit and smoke nice Moroccan pollen all day, definitely be stoned as hell, but certain types of bud (Sativa) always give me panic attacks nowadays and I simply can't touch them anymore.

I smoked daily for over 15 years and there are without a single, solitary doubt some 'strains' I can sit and smoke all day and others that I can have a single toke of and know I'm going to feel sketched out. This is repeatable with the same types of bud or with certain kinds (most) of hashish versus the same "skunk" that makes me think the world is ending within 5 minutes...

:popcorn: :shrug:





Because those strains were laced with bath salts probably . . .


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19226426 - 12/04/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is a big difference between a pure indica strain (blueberry or afgan) vs a sativa (haze strain).

Most strains are hybrids today, so maybe they are very similar in make up, but purer strains are different.

Maybe Dr.Know-it-all should smoke some up and then decide.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19226433 - 12/04/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm the strain king around here. I have noticed very large differences between Sativa and Indica.  Ive got some Master Kush a 50 Sativa, 50 Indica. Its trippy and stony as it should be.

I had some Purple Haze 100% Sativa it had no ceiling and was psychedellic as hell, kept me awake for 24 hours.  Some people arent effected by Sativa and need Indica to get any affect, some people arent affected by Indica and require Sativa.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
    #19226508 - 12/04/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However he does emphasize the "entourage effect" playing a significant role in identifying consistent and preferable response(entourage effect is the theory that combinations of various terpenoids and cannabinoids have synergistic and unique effects).





So could it be argued that smoking oil concentrates is not ideal because you are separating the THC from it's "entourage"?




Not necessarily, oil concentrates still contain terpenoids and other cannibinoids like CBD. It's also easier to test using LC/MS when its in concentrate form, the only instance where it would be detrimental is by using improper solvents or purging processes to make the concentrate which would deplete the amount of terpenoids in the "entourage".


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: qman]
    #19226521 - 12/04/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There is a big difference between a pure indica strain (blueberry or afgan) vs a sativa (haze strain).

Most strains are hybrids today, so maybe they are very similar in make up, but purer strains are different.

Maybe Dr.Know-it-all should smoke some up and then decide.




Jeffrey Raber is a medical patient, he personally tests the strain and does clinical testing on its chemical make-up. Sativa and Indica simply identify morphological traits, not the type of high you experience.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19226728 - 12/04/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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qman said:
There is a big difference between a pure indica strain (blueberry or afgan) vs a sativa (haze strain).

Most strains are hybrids today, so maybe they are very similar in make up, but purer strains are different.

Maybe Dr.Know-it-all should smoke some up and then decide.




Jeffrey Raber is a medical patient, he personally tests the strain and does clinical testing on its chemical make-up. Sativa and Indica simply identify morphological traits, not the type of high you experience.





Are you implying there is no difference in the "high you experience" between pure indica and pure sativa marijuana?


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: qman]
    #19227124 - 12/04/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you implying there is no difference in the "high you experience" between pure indica and pure sativa marijuana?






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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19230383 - 12/05/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I can sit and smoke nice Moroccan pollen all day




Haha too funny, I just had to explain to somebody else that nobody smokes pollen. Pollen is only made by male plants, and it's not really something you want to smoke.





You obviously don't know very much about hashish... Pollen is maybe the most widely smoked single type of cannabis smoked in Europe.

'Pollen' is the universal term used in Europe (and possibly elsewhere by people who know what they are talking about) for hashish made in traditional manner they use in Morocco, 90%+ of the stuff I have ever seen in the last 20 years or so has been from North Africa.

It is highly sought after depending on quality and grade - "00" being arguably the best, it uses a '00' mesh micron screen or similar filter, though some think the slightly larger micron screens/filters produce a more oil heavy and hence different, sometimes stronger product. Pollen is sold widely in Dutch coffee shops, and is often some of the finest stuff on the menu. The plants may well be pollinated as they grow outdoors on mountain sides in the Rif Valley, that is entirely different from smoking a male plant...

Then again Jamaican/West Indian/Caribbean sess weed is pollinated too, and by far the best pot I have ever smoked, certainly the most expensive.





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How come hashish gives a very different high from bud then..?

I can sit and smoke nice Moroccan pollen all day, definitely be stoned as hell, but certain types of bud (Sativa) always give me panic attacks nowadays and I simply can't touch them anymore.

I smoked daily for over 15 years and there are without a single, solitary doubt some 'strains' I can sit and smoke all day and others that I can have a single toke of and know I'm going to feel sketched out. This is repeatable with the same types of bud or with certain kinds (most) of hashish versus the same "skunk" that makes me think the world is ending within 5 minutes...

:popcorn: :shrug:





Because those strains were laced with bath salts probably . . .




I think the other few dozen people smoking the same bud would notice if RC's were sprayed all over it, also after around 20 years of smoking bud, I think the smell/taste/look/effect of such an adulterated product would be immediately obvious.. Maybe think before you type..? Just an idea.

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    #19230408 - 12/05/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe all those people in Europe should look up the definition of pollen then. Kief and pollen are not the same thing.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
    #19230474 - 12/05/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe there is a world outside California...and it has been smoking hashish for 1000's years longer than California has even existed as a part of Western culture..

Spoiler alert: there are language differences outside your neighbourhood. Sorry to burst your insulated bubble.

:cookiemonster:

EDIT: I just realised you ACTUALLY BELIEVED that people smoke the pollen of male plants and have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about.

:cuteshit: awwww, sweet.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19230492 - 12/05/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, I don't think people smoke pollen, that's the whole fucking point. :facepalm:

I'm saying there is NO reason to use the term pollen. And my definition of pollen is not an American definition, come on now. I don't see what is hard to understand about this.

They smoke hash, and they call it pollen for no apparent reason.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
    #19230500 - 12/05/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Kief (sometimes transliterated as keef or kif) refers to the resin glands (or trichomes) of cannabis which may accumulate in containers or be sifted from loose dry cannabis flower with a mesh screen or sieve. Kief contains a much higher concentration of psychoactive cannabinoids, such as THC, than that of the cannabis flowers from which it is derived. Traditionally, kief has been pressed into cakes of hashish for convenience in storage, but can be vaporized or smoked in either form."



"According to the Oxford dictionary, the word "kif" derives from Arabic: تكيف kayf, meaning well-being or pleasure..."


So the origin is Arabic, probably dating back to the Moorish influence and is exactly the same thing as 'pollen' refers to. You just don't know much about anything outside the US; now I have seen EVERYTHING, a self-absorbed American with no clue about the rest of the world?? NO...FREAKING.....WAY. :eek:


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19230504 - 12/05/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck don't you grasp about this concept?

Way to be snobby and completely look past my point.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
    #19230507 - 12/05/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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No, I don't think people smoke pollen, that's the whole fucking point. :facepalm:

I'm saying there is NO reason to use the term pollen. And my definition of pollen is not an American definition, come on now. I don't see what is hard to understand about this.

They smoke hash, and they call it pollen for no apparent reason.





You are ignorant. Pollen is a term that has been used widely in Europe for decades to describe exactly what I am talking about.. You never known slang to be used for weed? Or for a word to have more than one meaning or reference??

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