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Offlinecircastes
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: blueyz]
    #19226620 - 12/04/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It all happens to me spontaneously during sleep. At the end of it I usually wake up back in my body.

There are things like William Buhlman's hypnosis or affirmation tapes which you can listen to. I also think the position you sleep in is very important. If you prop up your neck slightly but leave your head unsupported, you're going to sleep lighter and this seems to make it more likely to happen. Seems to especially happen around the REM period too (5am or so). And, a very still mind as you drift into sleep seems to make it more likely... I guess the idea is to keep your mind awake but turn off the body with sleep.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19229750 - 12/05/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I find meditation followed by detailed awareness of your world throughout the day leads to sleep paralysis at night. 

If I can get past the fear of paralysis I can sit up out of my body and fly around for a bit...still working on getting my vision to clear up.  I'm usually quite blind.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Allisterem]
    #19230039 - 12/05/13 04:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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not every person has an astral body




I wonder how far it goes, and I like to fantasize that I am sharing an experience with St. Paul and Plotinus.

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

I think the OBE could be IT. Learning to navigate the bardo during life to preserve a digital copy of ourselves at death. The ultimate technology.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: onionterror]
    #19234613 - 12/06/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the fact that we all have the same OBE experience is some pretty telling evidence that we are pretty significant beings and that the OBE is real. McKenna believed we were "a higher dimensional object of some kind that casts a shadow into matter". Sounds about right from that craziness I've been through. What you are experiencing when you leave the body is some other form that is surely divine or godlike.

It all seems pretty silly until you have the experiences and see / feel for yourself what else you must be...


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19235654 - 12/06/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the fact that we all have the same OBE experience is some pretty telling evidence that we are pretty significant beings and that the OBE is real.



"Significant," yes.  "Real," I doubt it.

We all dream at night, in our sleep.  Most dreams have similar characteristics, person to person and regardless of where people live or what they do.  This is well documented in the literature.

Are our dreams "real"?

If I have a dream that I'm riding on the back of a dinosaur and you have a dream that you're riding on the back of a dinosaur, does that make our experiences "real"?


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: all this beauty]
    #19235780 - 12/06/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What makes dreams any less "real"?


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Allisterem]
    #19235939 - 12/06/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What makes dreams any less "real"?



There's a difference between "subjective reality" and "objective reality."

My OBEs and my dreams may feel 100 percent real to me.  There might be no way in hell you could ever convince me that they really didn't happen.  That's "subjective reality."

In fact, they are "real" to me, but not "objectively real."  They occurred only in my head.  Just like a hallucination occurs only in my head.

My hallucinations are not objectively real.  They don't "really" happen in the world.  In the world that is more "expansive," if you will, than the world inside my head.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: all this beauty] * 1
    #19236117 - 12/06/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I can see how the OBEs would be subjectively real.  But I think you're saying that on the assumption that this physical world is the "first cause".  Or something like its the original determinant of validity.  What are the chances that there exists an experience that is more real and authoritative than regular life ?

To me its an open ended question, I think if there is such an experience there would be subtle cues and clues.  I've had a few experiences that suggest it's a legit possibility and my perceived OBEs are some of those experiences.  At the end of the day the way I see it is that if its real its real and if its not its not.  It's not up to my regular conscious to decide such a thing.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: all this beauty]
    #19236187 - 12/06/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Allisterem said:
What makes dreams any less "real"?



There's a difference between "subjective reality" and "objective reality."

My OBEs and my dreams may feel 100 percent real to me.  There might be no way in hell you could ever convince me that they really didn't happen.  That's "subjective reality."

In fact, they are "real" to me, but not "objectively real."  They occurred only in my head.  Just like a hallucination occurs only in my head.

My hallucinations are not objectively real.  They don't "really" happen in the world.  In the world that is more "expansive," if you will, than the world inside my head.




Maybe the objective world is really just subjective


whoooaaaaa  :mindblown:


All kidding aside it would be really cool to astral project


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19236293 - 12/06/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What are the chances that there exists an experience that is more real and authoritative than regular life ?



Valid question.  No one knows for sure.  We're all only guessing.

I've had powerful experiences (on drugs and off) that have certainly "informed" me that there are mysteries undreamt of in my waking consciousness.  Stuff my waking consciousness simply cannot process or fathom. 

That said, I refuse to surrender my powers of intellect and discernment and to accept as "true" any and all allegations of the paranormal and supernatural.  To do so would represent a basic "mistrust" of my humanness, and I harbor no such mistrust.

Essentially, belief in the paranormal and the supernatural represents a basic mistrust of science and intellect.  I choose not to mistrust science and intellect.

We each have our own way when it comes to this stuff.


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