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If drugs had been legal for years...
    #19229673 - 12/05/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The drug problem probably would be less than it is now.  If drugs were simply legal like it might  be in other places it probably wouldn't be as socially cool as it is with kids now.

Also pharmecuticals should be able to be bought over the counter too, at least some doses.  If you can treat a problem without going to the doctor than it why not just be able to buy what you need?  The system is  clearly rigged for drug profiteering. If only someone steps up and changes it back around.   



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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19229682 - 12/05/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

where the drugs flow like rivers, everyone is swimming in the summers sunshine.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19229694 - 12/05/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The drug problem probably would be less than it is now.  If drugs were simply legal like it might  be in other places it probably wouldn't be as socially cool as it is with kids now.

Also pharmecuticals should be able to be bought over the counter too, at least some doses.  If you can treat a problem without going to the doctor than it why not just be able to buy what you need?  The system is  clearly rigged for drug profiteering. If only someone steps up and changes it back around.   






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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: st1llnox]
    #19229959 - 12/05/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're premise is on the right track, If drugs were legal and regulated there would probably be a lot less overdoses if administered by a pure regulated source coupled by a medical type program to make sure you don't get addicted. Hell I'd be in a program that lets me trip every 2 months or something reasonable like that.

Prescription are a completely different story IMO I think kids these days have a bad misconception of prescription medication. I think that it's too popular in uneducated hands and prescriptions are a good tool to regulate them.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19230006 - 12/05/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A lot of stuff they take off because it causes heart attacks or people flip out

people are too stupid for legal drugs

if we legalize cocaine people would be drinking and sniffing then somebody would sue:lol:


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19230029 - 12/05/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How do you explain opioids like oxycodone and hydrocodone?  These are regulated and only available by prescription, yet remain a serious health problem with tens of thousands dying yearly.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Konyap]
    #19230178 - 12/05/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Illyabo said:
A lot of stuff they take off because it causes heart attacks or people flip out

people are too stupid for legal drugs

if we legalize cocaine people would be drinking and sniffing then somebody would sue:lol:





Do people sue alcohol manufacturers?


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: badchad]
    #19230183 - 12/05/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How do you explain opioids like oxycodone and hydrocodone?  These are regulated and only available by prescription, yet remain a serious health problem with tens of thousands dying yearly.




still not as bad as the problems illegal heroin has caused. no ones going to end the dangers all together, but there are ways to make it safer.

and like OP was saying, it really comes down to culture. opioids still hold a negative perspective in our society for recreational use. no one is educating their kids on how to use prescription drugs for recreational purposes. there's pressure for and against use, but little external pressure for moderation. as with the case of drinking, clearly many people still kill themselves... but there is a generally level-headed approach to alcohol consumption by most people because their environment doesn't cause a draw to extreme ends of the spectrum but is rather supportive of a moderate approach to alcohol consumption


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19230206 - 12/05/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The drug problem probably would be less than it is now.  If drugs were simply legal like it might  be in other places it probably wouldn't be as socially cool as it is with kids now.




I can identify with you. Even without a legal system our society will still have a norm. I can imagine things like heroin, crack, and meth would remain a taboo, stigmatized; and essentially frowned upon. I imagine the same would still be true for drunk driving.

But I bet weed would become a lesser concern.

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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: st1llnox]
    #19230211 - 12/05/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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st1llnox said:
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skatealex2 said:
The drug problem probably would be less than it is now.  If drugs were simply legal like it might  be in other places it probably wouldn't be as socially cool as it is with kids now.

Also pharmecuticals should be able to be bought over the counter too, at least some doses.  If you can treat a problem without going to the doctor than it why not just be able to buy what you need?  The system is  clearly rigged for drug profiteering. If only someone steps up and changes it back around.   






Those are what I take




Klonopin?


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19230214 - 12/05/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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still not as bad as the problems illegal heroin has caused. no ones going to end the dangers all together, but there are ways to make it safer.

 




Perhaps, although I think this depends on the metrics you're using.  For example, prescription opioids kill more people than heroin.  One might consider "death" to be a pretty serious problem.  Admittedly though, its only one outcome measure.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19230535 - 12/05/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
You're premise is on the right track, If drugs were legal and regulated there would probably be a lot less overdoses if administered by a pure regulated source coupled by a medical type program to make sure you don't get addicted. Hell I'd be in a program that lets me trip every 2 months or something reasonable like that.




At that rate I'd stay on the black market just by principal. It'd be like if the law was you could only drink once a week.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: A Day InThe Life]
    #19230539 - 12/05/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Illyabo said:
A lot of stuff they take off because it causes heart attacks or people flip out

people are too stupid for legal drugs

if we legalize cocaine people would be drinking and sniffing then somebody would sue:lol:





Do people sue alcohol manufacturers?



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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Allisterem]
    #19230630 - 12/05/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If weed had been legal for years this country could have saved billions.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Magicman69]
    #19230760 - 12/05/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs should be legal. We waste a shit ton of money on the ineffective drug war, drugs off the street are often cut with something else and unsafe that way, and jails are full of innocent drug users.

I could see mixing drugs as a problem. We could educate people on appropriate usage and the real consequences of abuse and spend the money we have saved on keeping drugs out of kids' hands.

If people are minding their own business and not being violent then what's the big deal? As long as alcohol is legal there will always be the risk of legal drugs causing violence. I don't think if heroin, cocaine, and PCP are legal that people are going to get over their stigma on those drugs and use them anyway.

Another solution would be to do effective research on substances that aren't substantially physically harmful and legalize those.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19231033 - 12/05/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The younger generations see the drug war for what it is, a waste of resources. Its just a matter of time until major national drug reforms take place


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: badchad]
    #19231080 - 12/05/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
How do you explain opioids like oxycodone and hydrocodone?  These are regulated and only available by prescription, yet remain a serious health problem with tens of thousands dying yearly.



I support those deaths and any one caused by heroin, too.

Helps the human population :cookiemonster:


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19231103 - 12/05/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry, the committee of 300 has stated one of their goals to be legalization of drugs, with biometric controls in place to obtain of course, and when billionaires like Sir Richard Branson start calling for an end to the "drug war," it won't be long.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: badchad]
    #19231499 - 12/05/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
How do you explain opioids like oxycodone and hydrocodone?  These are regulated and only available by prescription, yet remain a serious health problem with tens of thousands dying yearly.




As was said before it would be like it is with alcohol. People will abuse opiates whether they're legal or not, at least if it is legal thee will likely be less dealers selling to kids as they have the option to have a legitmate business or simply be put out of business.

Opiates used to be a legal trade some time ago, I haven't heard that it created more of a problem than it does now when it was legal.

Obviously the war on drugs profits many people who are in the DEA sector of the Government.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19231558 - 12/05/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's actually pretty hard to O.D. on drugs sometimes like 90% of people fail, illegal drugs are much more useful for O.D.


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Konyap]
    #19232049 - 12/05/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's actually pretty hard to O.D. on drugs sometimes like 90% of people fail, illegal drugs are much more useful for O.D.




Well according to this site there are more overdoses on prescription drugs than illegal drugs and this website probably supports the drug war -

xxx.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/prescription/abuse-international-statistics.html

"In 2007, the Drug Enforcement Administration found that abuse of the painkiller Fentanyl killed more than 1,000 people that year in the US. It is thirty to fifty times more powerful than heroin.

“I realized I was using more Xanax on a regular basis. I took time off work to get off it. Without the knowledge I was addicted, I went ‘cold turkey.’ For four days and nights I was bedridden. I didn’t sleep or eat. I vomited. I had hallucinations. On about the third day without Xanax I started to become uncoordinated and unbalanced and bumped into things. On about the fourth day I became really worried when I started having twitching sensations.” —Patricia"


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19233549 - 12/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

more people die from drugs accidentally then O.D.s on drugs they aren't supposed to take


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Konyap]
    #19233551 - 12/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it changes from year to year tho


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: Konyap]
    #19233555 - 12/05/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

normally 3,000

once in awhile like 30,000:lol:

every year like 14,000 illegal and 3,000 legal

they don't rule illegal drug taking as suicide

but i do!


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: skatealex2]
    #19235069 - 12/06/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If drugs had been legal for years, then everything the world has been designed to do up until now would be oblivious and the world would have changed so drastically that I'm not sure if it would be a good or a bad thing because who can really question the reasoning for why life does what it does. Maybe if drugs were legal, some body's life would have ended because instead of going to that AA meeting they drove down to the liquor store and got hit by a train. Now to most people, this probably doesn't seem like a very big issue, but think about that one life, all the life's he/she interacted with throughout the 100 years we typically live, now imagine the chain reaction over billions of years of the telephone theory. Hmm..:smile:


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Re: If drugs had been legal for years... [Re: badchad]
    #19235171 - 12/06/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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still not as bad as the problems illegal heroin has caused. no ones going to end the dangers all together, but there are ways to make it safer.

 




Perhaps, although I think this depends on the metrics you're using.  For example, prescription opioids kill more people than heroin.  One might consider "death" to be a pretty serious problem.  Admittedly though, its only one outcome measure.




Well realize prescriptions are more common amongst people like high schoolers and in addition a lot of people get addicted to prescriptions because of surgeries or accidents who would otherwise not be using opioids. So yeah, there are certainly more people having issues with using prescriptions because more people are abusing them, and half the demographic are irresponsible teens.

But if you were to weigh the cost of using a street opiate strictly against the cost of using a pharmaceutical opioid the street opiate would be far more dangerous. A lot of heroin overdoses are due to fluctuating product purities. Even knowledgeable users can get fucked when they snort their regular dose if the product purity varies too much.

Also heroin has a taboo that prescriptions don't. Part of the battle is getting people educated which is really difficult when you dichotomize drugs the way we do in western society. Drugs that are given by doctors and psychiatrists are seen as not that dangerous because we rarely treat them as they should be treated. I don't know if you've ever been to a psychiatrists office, but they act like they're prescribing you vitamins. "I'm having nightma..." *leaps out of chair* "Don't worry i've got something to fix that!" (true story). And of course when you're a teen hopped up daily on addy and benzos, how much worse could messing with oxy be? They're designed by pharmacists to get you high after all. It's a cultural issue more than a legality one. DXM for example is easily available legally but not abused to the extent of prescription drugs because it still has a stigma. It's all about how people perceive the drugs around them. Part of a responsible regulation system is to be aware of how you introduce drugs into a society. You can't let drugs be a capitalist free for all. Imo even alcohol and tobacco are too poorly restricted when they're allowed to advertise and stock their products behind the check out of every convenience store so that you're forced with temptation since the day you can read


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