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Sizl's First Mono
    #19228792 - 12/04/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Welp, here is another grow for me to document.  What I did was:

I decided to try out a monotub, using coir/verm/gypsum, and I had 10 1/4 pint cakes going that were nearing full colonization, so I decided to grate them as spawn.  So I did Damion's Bucket tek for the substrate.  Built my mono with a 66qt tub.  3 days later, I see this:



That's myc, right?  It looks rhizomorphic, and looks likeTmethyl's pics in the "What it should/shouldn't look like"  I'm just paranoid on my first attempt, especially with bucket tec, but I followed it, and stayed clean.  I'm buying a 23qt pressure cooker tomorrow, so I can do proper spawn with WBS, and I plan on (probably) pasteurizing my substrate from now on, depending how this first mono rolls.  I can already tell, though that I'm gonna get hooked on bulk and I'll never look at cakes again.  Next comes isolates on agar......plans.....plans....

As always, comments are welcome, criticisms are welcome, thanks!


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19228878 - 12/04/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It looks good so far.  Good luck on your first tub.  Unlike grains though you do want cakes to reach full colonization and the do need to consolidate before birthing them.  Even when working with grains the grains need to be 100% colonized before you open the jar.  I hope it works out for you.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19228879 - 12/04/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that's what you want.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: fractaldill]
    #19229038 - 12/04/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's not clear in the first post, but I did let 'em consolidate.  It occurred to me as they were nearing full colonization to use them as spawn because I was getting antsy....

Thanks for easing fears a bit.  When it finally does colonize fully, do I let it consolidate, as well, or just fruit it?  Do I mist/fan?  Or is it really "set it, and forget it?"


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19229078 - 12/04/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You don't need to consolidate monotubs, but some people like to wait to see pins before putting a monotub into fruiting. And you should mist and fan depending on the conditions in your tub. For example, if your fruits look long and skinny, fan more. If your substrate looks dry, mist it. You don't need to periodically mist/fan a monotub the same way you do a sgfc.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19229116 - 12/04/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Also if your substrate was at proper field capacity you set and forget the monotub for the most part while it is colonizing and during your first flush.  Opening the tub will release the CO2 build up and the CO2 build up helps with pin set.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19236534 - 12/06/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't wait to see what happens here. After reading every post and drooling over your pictures in the first grow I can't wait to see what you can do with a monotub. :justcantwait:

You take great pics and document your progress really well. Great work :kaneclap:


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: V1rusH0st]
    #19236560 - 12/06/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looks really good.  I've liked following your other growth threads, looking forward to seeing the progress with the first mono. 

Just started a couple minitubs of my own, I'll be peeking in on them in the next day or two.  Hope things look as good as yours!


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #19236679 - 12/06/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From what I understand you don't want to consolidate cakes if spawning them (at least not for a week like you would to fruit them), you want the mycelium to remain in a colonization mode whereas consolidation will cause it too shift into a fruiting state. Looks good OP.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19238095 - 12/06/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I want to open it up and take pics of the progress, but I'm scared, lol!  Quess you'll just have to wait a bit longer....I plan on fruiting at ten days....any suggestions on that?


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19238113 - 12/06/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Opening it for a few seconds to snap a pic ain't gonna hurt shit. I do it all the time.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19238162 - 12/06/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

*arm has been twisted*



There's mycelium on the wall of the tub....



OK, that'll do, tub.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19239333 - 12/07/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:whacker:Looking good Sizl.  There is nothing like that first time feeling.  Remember your first pins on your first cakes?  Do you remember how much joy and happiness it brought you when you saw your very first shrooms growing?  Well it's just as good when you get your first shrooms in a mono tub too.  In fact I think it's even better than the joy from your first cakes because once your tub starts filling in you are going to be so happy to see that tub full of shrooms. 

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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19239337 - 12/07/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You don't need to consolidate monotubs, but some people like to wait to see pins before putting a monotub into fruiting. And you should mist and fan depending on the conditions in your tub. For example, if your fruits look long and skinny, fan more. If your substrate looks dry, mist it. You don't need to periodically mist/fan a monotub the same way you do a sgfc.




a properly dialed in monotub shouldnt need hardly any misting during the first flush.

did you case your mono?


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: twistedty]
    #19239494 - 12/07/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It looks like it. Looks like he followed damions buket tek on that too :smile:. It says to save some of the substrate for a casing layer lol. Its been around that long :smile:.

Two things about that OP:
1. A casing layer is actually suppose to be a layer of non-nutritious material. Not coir.

2. Its been found that cubes dont need a casing layer. And id recommend against it actually especially if doing a bucket tech. Reason being that while the myc is eating up the sub that you mixed it with, the false casing layer ( i say false cause of the first thing) mostly sits there being all inviting and nutritious and shit for passin by motorists (hehe) and then also takes longer for the myc to work up through it once it does get there case its only been exposed to the underside of the layer instead of throughout the medium like mixing. Time is not your friend on bulk lol. When doing a bucket tech and indead true pasteurization aswell a key strategem is to "storm the beaches" so to speak and flood the substrate with as many little myc troops as possible as quick as possible so it just overwhelmes anything left behind before it has time to recover a toe hold.

The standard ratio of spawn to sub is usually 1:2, however I know of some tc's that like to go with a 1:1 and Im gonna be tryin that cause ive had probs with contams lately.

That being said, a thin casing layer of even just verm although true that it has been found to be unneccasry for cubes to gain robustness could still be used just for a layer of protection from the top and is usefull to keep track of moisture cause it changes color when it dries out. And being that it isnt nutritous it adds no time to colonization and mushies will just push through it so I dont see a down side :smile:

Hope this helps :smile:


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19239690 - 12/07/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What is the strain?




Umm, blue meanie, I think.  B+ is my second cakes, so yeah, blue meanie.  I got 6 syringes of varying strains.  But, cubes are cubes, right?  I am wishing I bought one syringe of PE, but, oh well.

I really can't wait to see some action in the tub.  I know my cakes are going to be okay, and I'm looking forward to eating them, but, I want a stockpile, and some for sharing.  Can't wait!!

Thanks for the encouraging words, everyone!  I also appreciate your suggestions and insights.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19244240 - 12/08/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So, I see mycelium poking through the entire substrate,  How long should I wait to put into fruiting conditions?  I planned on ten days, and I think that's Tuesday.  Should I just be patient, or shoot the moon and go ahead and pack poly tight into the bottom holes and loose on the top?


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19244340 - 12/08/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When its fully colonized is when you put it into fruiting conditions... do not rush this hobby.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19244341 - 12/08/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is the top all white? Or just some mycelium poking out? Wait until the top is all white for best results. Full colonization of available nutes is a primary pinning trigger.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19244358 - 12/08/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Is the top all white? Or just some mycelium poking out? Wait until the top is all white for best results. Full colonization of available nutes is a primary pinning trigger.




Just poking out.  I will wait as long as I need to....so, all white all over like cakes?  Is this pic (taken from "What it Should Look Like") fully colonized, or, just shy of?



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    #19244371 - 12/08/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You want the top all white. When you see people fruiting and the top is not all white they either did not get full colonization or they are using a casing. With a casing you do not want it too get fully colonized, however you do not apply your casing until your colonization is complete anyway.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19244390 - 12/08/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I followed the bucket tek, which, according to some replies, has a little outdated info, or just cubes don't need casing.  The tek had me hold a bit of substrate back to put on the top layer.  I'll wait until it's nice and white everywhere, then add another two days to put into fruiting.....maybe Thursday or Friday, even.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19244405 - 12/08/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is about 70% colonized.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19244562 - 12/08/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

5 more days


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: fractaldill]
    #19244576 - 12/08/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The last pic OP posted was not his, he took it from Tmethyls museum of horrors :lol: OP just wait until your top is all white, then fruit.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19264032 - 12/12/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sizl, 100% colonization


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19274077 - 12/14/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What do you think?  I am seeing pinning now, should I fruit?




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    #19274142 - 12/14/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah if its pinning then its ready, fruit it.


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    #19274155 - 12/14/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19274165 - 12/14/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think I didn't use enough spawn to make the sub truly all white.  Maybe?  When I spawn my wbs to bulk, I will be doing 50/50 spawn/sub so the process is always very fast and thorough. 

So, I stuffed pillow stuffing in the bottom holes very tightly, and the top holes very loosely.


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    #19274230 - 12/14/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The sub will not necessarily be solid white. Sometimes certain genetics will only weakly colonize the sub. As long as its colonized then its good to go. At any rate if its pinning that means that all available nutes have been colonized and its ready.

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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19274273 - 12/14/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The sub will not necessarily be solid white. Sometimes certain genetics will only weakly colonize the sub. As long as its colonized then its good to go. At any rate if its pinning that means that all available nutes have been colonized and its ready.

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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: twistedty]
    #19274726 - 12/14/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Plus you remember you did damions bucket tek wich uses more sub as a casing layer and it will go slower on that layer as I told you. This is what you get :smile:. The sub underneath has used up all its nutes and wants to fruit and top isnt colonised yet. That happens when you use nutritious material for a casing layer. As you are fruiting you will see more of that brown turn white but if you were to remove that top "casing" layer i bet you would see everything under it is 100%. Dont actually do it Im just sayin lol. Good pics so far man. Lookin forward to the flushes :smile:


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Valyr]
    #19274914 - 12/14/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Plus you remember you did damions bucket tek wich uses more sub as a casing layer



No it doesn't......that is not a casing layer.....that is just a protective layer so that there are no exposed grains on top....which is totally unnecessary anyways.

A casing layer is usually applied after full colonization, and usually has little to no nutritional value, and is there to provide a better microclimate at substrate level and for moisture retention.

The top layer of bulk substrate applied at spawning is NOT a casing layer.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: PussyFart]
    #19274927 - 12/14/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I know this and I told him this in a earlier post in this thread. I was reminding him. And if you read damions tek he calls it a casing layer wich is why I put it up there and again in "'s. I know it isnt one. And I explained that to the op.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Valyr]
    #19275362 - 12/14/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes I know this and I told him this in a earlier post in this thread. I was reminding him. And if you read damions tek he calls it a casing layer wich is why I put it up there and again in "'s. I know it isnt one. And I explained that to the op.




its what you would call a psuedo casing layer, and it dries out and usually doesnt colonize evenly anyway.

trust me and hacker we used to swear by the bucket tek.

it will bite you in the ass eventually HARD

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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: twistedty]
    #19275577 - 12/14/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I will be pasteurizing my sub from now on, just to bring the odds into my favor.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: SizlChest]
    #19276308 - 12/14/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Can't wait to see how this grow turns out. Sending out good vibes to ya.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: JustinCord]
    #19276627 - 12/14/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OP how deep is your substrate, you bttm holes on the sides arent supposed to be at surface level and they are a couple inches taller?

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    #19277810 - 12/15/13 05:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The sub is between 3.5-4".  I'm not sure what you're asking in the second question....I think I put the holes a bit too high for the bottom ones.  They should be about an inch above the substrate level, correct?

Today will be 14 days....I put into fruiting conditions yesterday at day 13 of colonization....


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    #19284841 - 12/16/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mmmmm, sweet pins.....



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    #19285090 - 12/16/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am so excited. I can't imagine how you are feeling.

Lookin good!


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    #19285118 - 12/16/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn that's looking good man. I've been up in the air in monotub vs sgfc for my first grow. I'm starting to really like the monotub.


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    #19285151 - 12/16/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn that's looking good man. I've been up in the air in monotub vs sgfc for my first grow. I'm starting to really like the monotub.




I still haven't run my WBS jars, yet, but I am waiting for my agar to cool so I can pour some dishes.  Then I'm gonna do some clones, and some MS dishes....I think...

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    #19293862 - 12/18/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Update:

I saw this when I got home from work today:





I am going to set up one more tub with BRF cakes as spawn.  That will be my last brf cakes, I think, because I also saw this today:





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    #19293956 - 12/18/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Update:

I saw this when I got home from work today:





I am going to set up one more tub with BRF cakes as spawn.  That will be my last brf cakes, I think, because I also saw this today:








Nice looking grains!it does SEEM as though you didn't have enough spawn with your substrate!


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    #19293986 - 12/18/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't.  I probably had like 20% spawn to 80% sub....it was kinda an experiment.  I am on my way, now, though.


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    #19294260 - 12/18/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The mushrooms look a little long and thin.  This is typically a sign that they need a little bit more fresh air.  How often are you fanning at this point?  Is it possible to set a small fan up somewhere in the same room as your tub.  If you use a fan to help with fresh air exchange it needs to be small and you need to make sure that it is not pointing at the tub but is just moving air around in the room that your tub is in.


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    #19294267 - 12/18/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I used 50% cow manure, 30% verm, 10% gypsem, 10% poultry for added nitrogen and 50% spawn.




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    #19294277 - 12/18/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am fanning once in the morning and 3-4 more times before I go to bed at night, depending when I'm home.  The room has a ceiling fan on at all times on low pulling air up rather than fanning down.  Should I have the poly more loose?  The top holes are very loose, and the bottom ones are pretty tight.


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    #19294392 - 12/18/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am fanning once in the morning and 3-4 more times before I go to bed at night, depending when I'm home.  The room has a ceiling fan on at all times on low pulling air up rather than fanning down.  Should I have the poly more loose?  The top holes are very loose, and the bottom ones are pretty tight.




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    #19294610 - 12/18/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I might try to loosen the fill up a bit.  Have you harvested and printed those open caps yet?  They are totally ready for printing.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Valyr]
    #19295696 - 12/18/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It looks like it. Looks like he followed damions buket tek on that too :smile:. It says to save some of the substrate for a casing layer lol. Its been around that long :smile:.

Two things about that OP:
1. A casing layer is actually suppose to be a layer of non-nutritious material. Not coir.

2. Its been found that cubes dont need a casing layer. And id recommend against it actually especially if doing a bucket tech. Reason being that while the myc is eating up the sub that you mixed it with, the false casing layer ( i say false cause of the first thing) mostly sits there being all inviting and nutritious and shit for passin by motorists (hehe) and then also takes longer for the myc to work up through it once it does get there case its only been exposed to the underside of the layer instead of throughout the medium like mixing. Time is not your friend on bulk lol. When doing a bucket tech and indead true pasteurization aswell a key strategem is to "storm the beaches" so to speak and flood the substrate with as many little myc troops as possible as quick as possible so it just overwhelmes anything left behind before it has time to recover a toe hold.

The standard ratio of spawn to sub is usually 1:2, however I know of some tc's that like to go with a 1:1 and Im gonna be tryin that cause ive had probs with contams lately.

That being said, a thin casing layer of even just verm although true that it has been found to be unneccasry for cubes to gain robustness could still be used just for a layer of protection from the top and is usefull to keep track of moisture cause it changes color when it dries out. And being that it isnt nutritous it adds no time to colonization and mushies will just push through it so I dont see a down side :smile:

Hope this helps :smile:




I am going to politely disagree with you. I think a good 1\4 casing is always a good thought, helps make sort of a microclimate. I will be putting down mgmc and should turn out amazing!


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: daltonvz]
    #19295715 - 12/18/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

sterilized coir makes a great casing, most prefer 50/50 peat/verm though. and yes cubes don't need one but thats not to say they won't benifit from one, it gives you a constant and gaurenteed 100% rh on the surface of your sub


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: cronicr]
    #19306273 - 12/21/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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sterilized coir makes a great casing, most prefer 50/50 peat/verm though. and yes cubes don't need one but thats not to say they won't benifit from one, it gives you a constant and gaurenteed 100% rh on the surface of your sub




I agree that its a good idea for the microclimate and rh control. Was just pointing out that its not a requirment like with some shrooms.

However we should point out AGAIN, coir is NOT a casing material. If you use it as such the spawn is going to colonize it or atleast try to. If you use sterilized coir your going to get a contam before the spawn can. A casing layer is a non-nutritient containing layer of material that mushrooms will force there way up through. Not that can be eaten and colonized by mycellium. This action of making tthe mushrooms force there way through the casing sorta works like weight lifting lol. It makes for a more robust mushroom. Casings arent needed for cubes cause there generally that robust already. Or thats my understanding of it anyways.

And not trying at all to single you out or anything chronicr just that I know I was confused in the begining about casing layers, what they were and what to use because of people improperly using the term in relation to materials that are actually just more substrate.


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    #19306705 - 12/21/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Coir has been used  for years as casing material and sterilizing it isnt gonna make it contam.


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    #19306882 - 12/21/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Coir has been used  for years as casing material and sterilizing it isnt gonna make it contam.




It was used as such yes and even is shown in rr's video's too i think... But again those videos are what? 10yrs old? Like with alot of things in this feild info about this gets outdated. A casing layer is seen as something different now. Just search the forums.

Yes coir is naturally contam resistant (resistant not proof) but sterilizing it weakens that resistance and makes it easier for contaminants to colonize and/or spread in it.

I only say this cause ive done it and my stuff contaminated and FrankHorrigan told me that sterilizing my coir was the main reason why. And rr explained why sterilizing it actually weakens the resistance killing off the beneficial microbes versus pasteurizing it.

And as stated earlier in the thread, when using more sub as a improper casing layer what happens is that the sub underneath all gets colonized and instead of fruiting up through a non nutritous casing layer it says "Oh hey more food" so instead of fruiting it continues to eat the coir "casing" layer wich takes alot longer than the mixed substrate did because it is only exposed to mycellium for colonizataion from one angle. The bottom. This lends alot more time for contaminates to get into your coir that hasnt even been exposed to spawn yet (the top) and throw on that if its sterilized chances increase multifold.

Just been my experience and what tc's have told me. As with most things in this feild though, nothing fails all the time and you can grow on just about anything with success if you do it enough.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Valyr]
    #19306928 - 12/21/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I get ya and agree there are far better options but the main reason for the top layer is exposed grains that will dry out faster then the coir and the myc becomes dormant but lately nobodys using the top layer and getting great results without issue, pastywhite just did a complete sterile cvg grow and spitball and frank are taking a stab at it as well. Awesome to see how far this hobby has come along. When i first started we were using top layers and casing in aquariums with drip shields lol


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: cronicr]
    #19311081 - 12/22/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Welp, here's the results of the first flush:



Not a lot, but this did give me my first ego death on Wednesday night.  I am taking steps for greater yields, as I have these that are taken from larger, fast growing fruits...the pics are from a single fruit.  I took nine more last night of a different fruit, also.










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    #19311639 - 12/22/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:congrats: great stuff man...great stuff


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    #19311718 - 12/22/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice work man.  Way to dive right in and get that agar going.  Are you going to isolate sectors, test the strains and then use the best one as a master culture?


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    #19312113 - 12/22/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice work man.  Way to dive right in and get that agar going.  Are you going to isolate sectors, test the strains and then use the best one as a master culture?



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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19348699 - 12/30/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, here's an update.  My first Mono didn't have a stellar harvest, and I know why.  Not enough spawn.  So, I let it go through two flushes and I tossed it in the woods behind my apartments.  Here is another I started, same bucket tek and grated cake spawn.  I didn't use the "casing" layer this time and mixed it all in.  I also used 10 half pints and 12 1/4 pint jars, so the spawn ratio is about 50/50.  I can already tell this one will be much better, and am looking forward to my monotubs with the isolates I am working on.  This one, however, is MS.



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    #19349087 - 12/30/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice sizle :smile:. I just started a 1:1 ratio batch myself to note the differences. Hopefully it comes out like yours lol.


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    #19413370 - 01/13/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Well, here's my first loss to a contam.  Trich.  BOO!!!  HISSS!!!!



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    #19413664 - 01/13/14 06:14 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Unfortunately it happens :frown:


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    #19568680 - 02/15/14 01:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Sizl where'd you disappear to man? Hope you're ok and just tripping balls so often and so hard that you can't even post here haha.


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    #19570478 - 02/15/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Hahaha, I'm still around.  Still working on isolates, and testing out some of the first two so far.  I decided to inoculate 10 wbs jars with menace multi spore syringe, because I want to clone more.  In a week or so, I'll have six tubs going, lol...


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    #19575522 - 02/16/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the update, glad to know you're ok and still at it. Would be a shame to waste skills like yours :P

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    #19669387 - 03/08/14 08:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Some updates from some recent things going on. I plan on doing a start to finish log with my way of doing things soon, but here's some cool pics:



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    #19669458 - 03/08/14 08:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #19764765 - 03/29/14 03:53 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: V1rusH0st]
    #19764809 - 03/29/14 04:06 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm thinking you lost that one to contam based on how low you have your fruitin chambers to the ground. Most bacteria and fungal spores hang out the bottom two feet of an abode.


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Re: Sizl's First Mono [Re: V1rusH0st]
    #19765203 - 03/29/14 05:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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V1rusH0st said:
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