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I need help with this chemistry question
    #19228414 - 12/04/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm working on a chemistry test and the question is How many grams of 25°C water would you need to reduce 400 grams of 120°C copper to 30°C? If you could explain to me how to do this it would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom] * 2
    #19228432 - 12/04/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your teacher tried to pull a fast one on you, but I won't let him get you this time.

The answer is zero grams, you just gotta wait long enough and make sure the room the copper is in is under 30°C. 

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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: dodgem]
    #19228437 - 12/04/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If only it was that simple. FML


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228465 - 12/04/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You need to know the heat capacities of water and copper. Consider where the heat lost by the copper goes and what the final temperature of each component must be.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle] * 3
    #19228488 - 12/04/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

EDIT: college is a bitch


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle]
    #19228491 - 12/04/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I cant tell you how often in the laboratory i've had to cool my copper


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19228497 - 12/04/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Give a man a fish... :fishing:


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle]
    #19228504 - 12/04/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Give a man a fish... :fishing:



you're right :P


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle]
    #19228508 - 12/04/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the sad thing is this isn't even collage its my senior year in high school


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom] * 1
    #19228512 - 12/04/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

good thing it's not a collage class
those things get tricky


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle]
    #19228520 - 12/04/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You need to know the heat capacities of water and copper. Consider where the heat lost by the copper goes and what the final temperature of each component must be.



I understand that i need the heat capacities, I just don't know how to put it all together


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228552 - 12/04/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The heat lost by the copper is the heat gained by the water, and heat is the mass times the specific heat capacity times the change in temperature. You know the mass of the copper, the changes in temp for each substance are calculable by subtraction, and the specific heat capacities you just look up. Then you solve for the mass of the water.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: psi]
    #19228579 - 12/04/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There you go. Look at the units of the heat capacity. It should be joules per gram degrees. If you know the copper and water have to be the same temperature at the end of the process and you know that the heat lost by the copper must equal the heat gained by the water then you can figure it out.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228596 - 12/04/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mutantmushroom said:
I'm working on a chemistry test and the question is How many grams of 25°C water would you need to reduce 400 grams of 120°C copper to 30°C? If you could explain to me how to do this it would be greatly appreciated.




your teacher let you take the test home?!


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: Jack yo Self foo]
    #19228618 - 12/04/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That or he's sitting there in the test posting on his phone. :lol:


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle]
    #19228621 - 12/04/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You'd need to weight each materials heat by its mass and this would be a simple algebra problem. (how many grams times 25c water + metals temperature * metal's mass) / total mass.

Assuming the waters avg temp and the metals avg temp intersect and then even out together.

And assuming there's not anything more complicated to factor in, i.e. limits on how fast energy can transfer from the metal to the water.


I'm too out of practice and too spaced right not to help maybe. IDK.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: st1llnox]
    #19228648 - 12/04/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, the heat transfer is proportional to the mass (C == [E]/([M][T])), but the algebra you have shown is wrong.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: fiddle]
    #19228691 - 12/04/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm...anyone else get 7200?

fiddle, I figured it might be... I can do math but I don't know much at all about chemistry, heat transfer, etc. Then again if there really aren't other issues maybe I just suck at setting up math.

IDK JUST TRYNA HELP MANG


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: st1llnox]
    #19228717 - 12/04/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the help guys, i got that question wrong but i got a b on the test :grin:


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228721 - 12/04/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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thanks for the help guys, i got that question wrong but i got a b on the test :grin:




What was the actual answer?

Congrats on the B for Baller :cool:


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228733 - 12/04/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you need to factor in the heat of vaporization as well, since the hot copper will vaporize some of the water.


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: st1llnox]
    #19228763 - 12/04/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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thanks for the help guys, i got that question wrong but i got a b on the test :grin:




What was the actual answer?

Congrats on the B for Baller :cool:



648 haha


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228798 - 12/04/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IM SORRY!!!


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: st1llnox]
    #19228860 - 12/04/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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IM SORRY!!!



its not ok :notamused:


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228866 - 12/04/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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IM SORRY!!!



its not ok :notamused:




I mean it didn't say the *minimum* amount of water it would take, and 7200 would be sufficient but OH MY GOD I CANNOT TAKE THE BLINKING MAKE THE BLINKING STOP I SAID IM SORRY :sad:


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: st1llnox]
    #19228945 - 12/04/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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st1llnox said:
Quote:

mutantmushroom said:
Quote:

st1llnox said:
IM SORRY!!!



its not ok :notamused:




I mean it didn't say the *minimum* amount of water it would take, and 7200 would be sufficient but OH MY GOD I CANNOT TAKE THE BLINKING MAKE THE BLINKING STOP I SAID IM SORRY :sad:



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    #19228965 - 12/04/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My dank will arrive shortly


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    #19228977 - 12/04/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You order delivery? what flavor?


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Re: I need help with this chemistry question [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19228989 - 12/04/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You order delivery? what flavor?




Indica, Colorado style :cool:

It's more my friend gets it for me.



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    #19228999 - 12/04/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:cheers:


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