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Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia
    #19227500 - 12/04/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like the title of a B flick horror film but nope, this is the real deal.  The practice is called metzitzah b-peh and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country.

Photos of the practice.

Here is a short article about it.  Many babies contract herpes and some have even died as a result because the gentlemen doing the penis sucking aren't always clean.  I'm all for religious freedom no matter how ridiculous the practices might be, but there has to be a boundary somewhere.  I think this is crossing that line.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD] * 3
    #19227522 - 12/04/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well.....


I'm done for the night.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19227529 - 12/04/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD] * 1
    #19227536 - 12/04/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sick religious fucks of the world unite.  Seems that religion and sexual perversion go hand in hand. :pope:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19227538 - 12/04/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SuperD said:
Sounds like the title of a B flick horror film but nope, this is the real deal.  The practice is called metzitzah b-peh and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country.

Photos of the practice.

Here is a short article about it.  Many babies contract herpes and some have even died as a result because the gentlemen doing the penis sucking aren't always clean.  I'm all for religious freedom no matter how ridiculous the practices might be, but there has to be a boundary somewhere.  I think this is crossing that line.




So you gonna change the whole Jewish world now are you?  That's what we get for being so kind to you. Putting up with your crying like a baby and wetting your bed (for 25 years!!!) and what? You're gonna blame it on a little metzitzah?  You should be ashamed of yourself.  You really think the baby remembers this?  Maybe you think this makes the baby homosexual? While it's true there's many Gay Jews not all Jews are gay, or you wouldn't be here. Remember that will you? More Sodomites follow that other son of Abraham.  There was that mixup at the nursery and Cain and Able got switched and hence - Islam. Why, I don't know. It wasn't the metzitzah, I'll tell you that!!!


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19227545 - 12/04/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:header: Yeah, I'll support anyone else's beliefs or practices, until it causes harm to others,(mental physical, whatever)and the risk of infection is definitely harm. This definitely crosses the line. It's not just gross, it's dangerous.

Even though the child won't remember, they sure will remember whatever disease they MIGHT contract.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19227549 - 12/04/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're getting awful defensive.:haha:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] * 2
    #19227552 - 12/04/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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eve69 said:
Quote:

SuperD said:
Sounds like the title of a B flick horror film but nope, this is the real deal.  The practice is called metzitzah b-peh and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country.

Photos of the practice.

Here is a short article about it.  Many babies contract herpes and some have even died as a result because the gentlemen doing the penis sucking aren't always clean.  I'm all for religious freedom no matter how ridiculous the practices might be, but there has to be a boundary somewhere.  I think this is crossing that line.




So you gonna change the whole Jewish world now are you?  That's what we get for being so kind to you. Putting up with your crying like a baby and wetting your bed (for 25 years!!!) and what? You're gonna blame it on a little metzitzah?  You should be ashamed of yourself.  You really think the baby remembers this?  Maybe you think this makes the baby homosexual? While it's ttue there's many Gay Jews now all Jews are gay, or you wouldn't be here. Remember that will you?






I think you're missing the point that a fucking dude is sucking the blood out of a babies dick. I hope you're joking


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19227553 - 12/04/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You really think the baby remembers this?




Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or trolling, or simply didn't read anything I posted.  Babies are contracting STDs from this "tradition".  You're ok with that?


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Futuresight]
    #19227556 - 12/04/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Futuresight said:
:header: Yeah, I'll support anyone else's beliefs or practices, until it causes harm to others,(mental physical, whatever)and the risk of infection is definitely harm. This definitely crosses the line. It's not just gross, it's dangerous.

Even though the child won't remember, they sure will remember whatever disease they MIGHT contract.




I think the child might, on some level remember getting his dick cut and then some ugly ass troll male leering down on him in his suffering.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19227560 - 12/04/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you'd be defensive to if your rabbi wore your foreskin on his wedding finger


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19227576 - 12/04/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't have a rabbi.  I did have a rabbit named Peter when I was a kid. He died of diarrhea. Why did you have to bring all this shit up again. :sad:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19227591 - 12/04/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19227594 - 12/04/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's a pig in a rabbit costume. :nono:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19227611 - 12/04/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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eve69 said:
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SuperD said:
Sounds like the title of a B flick horror film but nope, this is the real deal.  The practice is called metzitzah b-peh and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country.

Photos of the practice.

Here is a short article about it.  Many babies contract herpes and some have even died as a result because the gentlemen doing the penis sucking aren't always clean.  I'm all for religious freedom no matter how ridiculous the practices might be, but there has to be a boundary somewhere.  I think this is crossing that line.




So you gonna change the whole Jewish world now are you?  That's what we get for being so kind to you. Putting up with your crying like a baby and wetting your bed (for 25 years!!!) and what? You're gonna blame it on a little metzitzah?  You should be ashamed of yourself.  You really think the baby remembers this?  Maybe you think this makes the baby homosexual? While it's true there's many Gay Jews not all Jews are gay, or you wouldn't be here. Remember that will you? More Sodomites follow that other son of Abraham.  There was that mixup at the nursery and Cain and Able got switched and hence - Islam. Why, I don't know. It wasn't the metzitzah, I'll tell you that!!!




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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19227619 - 12/04/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's a pig in a rabbit costume. :nono:




That sounds hare-brained.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19227622 - 12/04/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wonder if i ever got kissed to help heal the booboo when a baby, too. 

would be a bit more of a twist if kiss was a virgin girl, yea?


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19227634 - 12/04/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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Futuresight said:
:header: Yeah, I'll support anyone else's beliefs or practices, until it causes harm to others,(mental physical, whatever)and the risk of infection is definitely harm. This definitely crosses the line. It's not just gross, it's dangerous.

Even though the child won't remember, they sure will remember whatever disease they MIGHT contract.




I think the child might, on some level remember getting his dick cut and then some ugly ass troll male leering down on him in his suffering.




Nope.  Doesn't have the neuronal connections


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19227834 - 12/04/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Then I guess it's all right. Carry on.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19227932 - 12/04/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would like to know the amount of babies that contract herpes or other diseases from this practice, I think that would weigh heavy in many people's opinions.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Futuresight]
    #19227975 - 12/04/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:awedisgust: There are no words......


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Futuresight] * 1
    #19227980 - 12/04/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's pretty fucking bizarre behavior but I guess it's to be expected when dealing with religion. :haha:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #19228141 - 12/04/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope.  Doesn't have the neuronal connections

I don't know about this. While I agree that the single sucking event is probably not enough to produce lasting psychological effects, the horrifically intense pain caused by forcibly skinning the frenulum and pepuce off the glans of an not-anesthetized penis then cutting it off probably does - especially given that the baby brain is forming neural connections at that time faster than it ever will again. These are among the most densely innervated parts of the body after all and similar to the tissues that connect a fingernail to a finger, so they have enormous neural bandwidth to the brain and are among the most painful to injure.

But even if we grant that this one-time pain from these tissues being ripped off the glans isn't remembered, the repeated pain every time the baby urinates uric acid on the open wound over the next couple of weeks may well leave some psychological effects as the rapidly-developing brain associates urination with intense pain.

What kind of fucked up shit that leaves behind in the baby's psychology is anyone's guess, but I doubt it's anything good.

BTW, if moronic rabbis obeying their invisible friend were snipping off part of baby girls' clitoris, then sucking on it, I'm pretty sure they'd go to jail or a mental institution. And if someone cut off the tip of a child's finger, using no anesthesia, and for no medical reason, this would be considered a heinous crime. Or if a parent had their baby boy's penis pierced and put in one of those Prince Albert dick-rings as part of a cultural/religious ceremony, they'd go to jail, but not if a moron who speaks Yiddish does something similarly brutal and irreversible. So how the fuck do people compartmentalize this brutal, non-therapeutic act as long as it's a boy? I will never understand this.

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Diploid]
    #19228179 - 12/04/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is fucking disgusting.
Fucking circumcision is such a gross practice.

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19228205 - 12/04/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No wonder everyone has shit on the jews throughout history.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19228284 - 12/04/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

none of those photos show anything definable and you all are falling for hate propaganda - i expected more brains in this forum - less racial hate


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19228319 - 12/04/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By: Tibbi Singer Published: June 9th, 2012 print tell a friend Ancient 'Metzitza' Practice Followed by Newer Custom of Haredi Bashing Photo Credit: Tammy Urman Towards the end of last week, a story had come out about a new brochure issued by the NY City Health Dept. discouraging the practice of “metzitza b’pe.” DOH’s commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley was pushing the story, hoping to get New Yorkers to spread the word. There are important reasons why the practice should be altered.

In the past decade or so, more than ten babies have contracted Herpes from their mohel because of the “metzitza” with dire consequences, including brain damage and death. The press, including the small p Jewish press, had a field day, bashing the barbarian religious Jews killing their own babies. The least of it was the JTA story, which, after devoting six full paragraphs to the commissioner’s statement and the brochure, added the obligatory non sequitur: “Haredi leaders have resisted calls to replace direct oral suction with alternative approaches used by some mohels.”

Which Haredi leaders? And for what reason? Not important. You should know that in this story there’s a good guy, the health commissioner, and he is up against medieval sources, the Haredim, who are so blinded by their primitive tradition, they’d rather see babies die than change anything. Elizabeth Batt of Digital Journal investigates this issue in her take on the story. She checked out the website of Cantor Philip L. Sherman, a Mohel of White Plains, NY, and on his website he says that he never performs metzitzah b’peh and never will, and that “performing metzitzah using one’s mouth is primarily a Chasidic custom.”

So now we have a JTA story about how those Haredim hate babies, and a well researched story about this guy who can tell you it’s the Chasidim what hate their babies so much, they give them herpes. Failed Messiah has much more serious research to offer: “MBP is primarily a hasidic and right wing non-hasidic Haredi practice today. The rest of Orthodoxy usually uses a sterile glass pipette or tube through which the mohel applies oral suction.”

But, unlike the rest of the press, Failed offers several links to examples of Haredim who defend the practice and go out of their way to deny the danger. Most notable is Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, cited by Yeshiva World. But the Kamenetsky opinion is based on the assertion that no correlation had been proven between the practice and the herpes. One can hope that when faced with irrefutable proof, such as the one provided by the CDC, the learned rabbi will change his opinion. Incidentally, Kamenetsky has told the Jewish Week that in his own community “as far as I know, they do metzitzah with a tube.” We used another link offered by Failed, to a Jewish Week interview with Rabbi David Niederman, executive director and president of the United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg, who claimed that the September death of an infant “had nothing to do with metzitzah b’peh,” or direct oral suction, despite the medical examiner’s ruling that the cause of death was “disseminated herpes simplex type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction.”

The same Jewish Week story refers also to a paper by infectious diseases expert Dr. Daniel S. Berman (offered on Faild’s website), attempting to cast doubt on the connection established by the NY medical examiner and the baby’s death after being infected by his mohel. Essentially, Berman argues that it’s true that the mohel has herpes, and it’s true that the baby died from herpes, but the ME has not established that it was the same herpes. He may be right, for all I know.

But I agree with a few comments that suggested the good doctor might be acting a bit too cute. The Jewish Press’ coverage of the story included the halachic foundations of the mitzvah, and several good citations from the brochure on alternative methods. It also explained, once and for all, why Jewish law prescribes this act, and that its purpose is actually to save the baby’s life.

Read more at: http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/jblogs/ancient-metzitza-practice-followed-by-newer-custom-of-haredi-bashing/2012/06/09/

metziztza is a hasidic and orthodox practice and not usual of all jews


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19228323 - 12/04/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you all are falling for hate propaganda

Yeah people who advocate for the abolition of baby female clitoris chopping and baby male penis chopping are haters interested in spewing baseless propaganda more than protecting children from brutal morons obeying the Spaghetti Monster.

You have some seriously fucked up, debased beliefs man. :cuckoo:

BTW, here's some "propaganda" from the American Medical Association:

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Now let's examine how a typical medical circumcision is performed.

First the child, after 9 months in the fetal position, is tied down spreadeagled and straight-backed in a circumstraint, a plastic board molded to the outline of an infant's body, which is equipped with velcro straps.

Next he is covered with a sheet which has a hole through which his penis is threaded. Then his penis is thoroughly swabbed with sterilizing solution. Naturally, this frequently provokes an erection. Some physicians deliberately provoke erections in order to judge the "cutoff line" and to aid in the surgery itself.

In any case, in the infant's brand new, wide-open, pre-verbal consciousness, this is his first sexual experience: a torturous nightmare.

Because the foreskin of an infant is attached to the head of the penis by the same tissue that bonds a fingernail to a finger, it must be skinned away before it can be cut off. So the doctor forces a metal probe between the foreskin and the head and tears apart this flesh (called synechia) which bonds them together. Next, the doctor has several options for the actual amputation.

One commonly used device for this step is called a gomco clamp. This essentially functions as a thumbscrew for the foreskin. I am not making this up.

Surgical scissors are used to cut a slit along the length of the foreskin in order to insert the metal "bell" which serves as one jaw of the clamp. The foreskin is pulled over the bell and the other jaw of the clamp is attached.

Then, by tightening a screw, the foreskin, one of the most densely innervated tissues of the body, is audibly crushed along two lines (inner and outer foreskin) around its circumference.

(Since all the nerves of the foreskin pass through this crush line, the pain perception may be similar to that of putting virtually the entire erogenous surface of the penis in a vise.)

The clamp is left on for a few minutes to promote blood clotting, then the foreskin is cut off at the crush line.

Afterwards, the raw, bleeding, formerly internal organ is wrapped in bandages and a diaper, and then repeatedly burned with urine and its breakdown product, ammonia, and exposed to infectious fecal matter while healing.

For many years the mainstream medical orthodoxy, put forth after it was no longer acceptable to torture children in the name of "moral hygiene," was that babies don't feel pain. It wasn't until 1978 that researchers even suggested using anesthetic during circumcision, and even today, most medical circumcisions are performed without anesthesia, according to the AMA.





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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19228380 - 12/04/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By: Tibbi Singer Published: June 9th, 2012

Interesting that your link provides zero substantiation or bibliography and is published  in what is arguably a biased (jewish) publication by adults who still talk to an invisible friend and who fancy themselves epidemiologists.

Now here's one written by REAL epidemiologists with hard facts behind it. To wit, in 2012 in New York alone there were 11 confirmed, documented Herpies infections of babies who were unfortunate enough to have drooling morons for parents and disgusting STD-infected perverts for religious leaders. Babies catching STDs from this shit is not rare no matter how uncomfortable that may make you feel.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/std/bris-statement.pdf

metziztza is a hasidic and orthodox practice and not usual of all jews

So what? One infected baby is enough. Maybe you can next tell me how violence among muslims is "not usual" either. :flowstone:

George Bernard Shaw once said: "Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity."


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Diploid]
    #19228839 - 12/04/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you all are falling for hate propaganda



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    #19228864 - 12/04/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you all are falling for hate propaganda





I did a little digging and it does seem to be an actual practice,not just hate propaganda. I dont know how common it is,but I'm sick and tired of kids getting their dicks snipped because some Jewish doctors sold it to the Americans in the 1930s, let alone rabbis sucking them off as well. It is outrageous.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19228979 - 12/04/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's utterly disgusting. I have seen a number of Bris ceremonies, (including my brother's when I was 4 years old), but I've never even heard of this practice and I'm a 60 year old of Eastern-European Jewish descent! I need to research this further to see if it's accurate or just another form of anti-Semitic propaganda. It certainly not as bad as female clitorectomy performed with unsterile razors. I've been to Nigeria where this form of misogynistic mutilation still occurs. I am in favor of male circumcision for health reasons. My Lady wouldn't want an uncut organ according to her (she is neither Jewish or Muslim).

Research results:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/metzitzah-bpeh-blood-sucking-jewish-circumcision-ritual-debated-by-nyc-mayoral-candidates-video_n_3360526.html

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/in-defense-of-parental-consent-for-metzitzah-bpeh/2013/10/16/

http://matzav.com/halacha-berurah-halachic-historical-and-medical-overview-of-metzitzah-bpeh


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19229158 - 12/04/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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none of those photos show anything definable




Look at the NPR article not the imgur. This is an actual practice, but isnt performed by the run of the mill Jew. There are a bunch of backwards things fundamentalists accross all religions practice especially some ortho jews, but this is tops the charts.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19230036 - 12/05/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You all aren't advocating anything you're just spewing other people's garbage and getting pissed about it. You might as well get pissed that some people trip on cracks in the sidewalk. Being angry and sharing your angst isn't advocating. Nice try, but TROLLING.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230040 - 12/05/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You all aren't advocating anything you're just spewing other people's garbage and getting pissed about it. You might as well get pissed that some people trip on cracks in the sidewalk. Being angry and sharing your angst isn't advocating. Nice try, but TROLLING.





So do you have proof this doesn't happen or not? Because it seems like there's a dude sucking blood outta baby dick.

If you ask me, that's a little creepy.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19230062 - 12/05/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't like religion at all. Any of them. I am not advocating anything.

But the OP and you others getting all self righteously indignant and then saying gas all jews, you guys aren't part of the solution.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230071 - 12/05/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But the OP and you others getting all self righteously indignant and then saying gas all jews, you guys aren't part of the solution.




no one ever said anything close to that in this thread.

You seem to think that we're falling for anti-jewish propaganda, but no one in the thread is attacking Judaism. Most people's reaction seems to be disgust in the fact that things like this still happen in the name of religious freedom, jewish or not.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230094 - 12/05/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You all aren't advocating anything you're just spewing other people's garbage and getting pissed about it. You might as well get pissed that some people trip on cracks in the sidewalk. Being angry and sharing your angst isn't advocating. Nice try, but TROLLING.





Me thinks he protests too much. 

Links to actual evidence have been presented.

What do you care? I see you vilifying other spiritual practices here all the fucking time. And your reactions are illogical and asserting things are being said that are not.  What's really going on here. :wink:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19230143 - 12/05/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That is fucking disgusting.
Fucking circumcision is such a gross practice.

:lolocaust:





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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230148 - 12/05/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think I asked you what's going on?

I've never seen you like this?  That usually means emotional investment and some kind of connection.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19230260 - 12/05/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hate racism

I hate even more stupid fucking redneck bullies choosing an ancient topic for racial hatred as if they are being reasonable

if you cannot effect any change at all whatsoever your angst is merely topical and superfluous, or in other words - mere hatemongering

hatemongering begets more and so here I am standing knee deep in this shit with you all

fucking happy?

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    #19230296 - 12/05/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230358 - 12/05/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Errolscool said:
That is fucking disgusting.
Fucking circumcision is such a gross practice.

:lolocaust:





what's going on here? 
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I personally object to this animation here or anywhere. It is in bad taste to say the least, and the association of being sent from an animated boxcar to a mass gas chamber and crematorium is unmistakably a reference to the Nazi 'Final Solution.' Perhaps the most illuminating thing about the ability to use such an animation in connection to this is to shed light on which poster uses it and reveals his hater-nature. My choice is to relegate those whom I consider to be haters to the Ignore List. It's like erasing a mistake. I call the decision (personalism being avoided here moderators) to ignore someone my 'Douche Solution,' :lol:  and made possible by The Shroomery, which balances the presence of that nasty animation. I wonder if the illustrious creators of this site have considered the possibility of a lawsuit of The Shroomery, backed by the Jewish Defense League or the Anti-Defamation League. Even a bit of anti-Semitic graffiti gets the attention of these groups. Just saying (not doing, I like it here). :shrug:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230393 - 12/05/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I hate racism

I hate even more stupid fucking redneck bullies choosing an ancient topic for racial hatred as if they are being reasonable

if you cannot effect any change at all whatsoever your angst is merely topical and superfluous, or in other words - mere hatemongering

hatemongering begets more and so here I am standing knee deep in this shit with you all

fucking happy?

good - i'm taking a month off see you all Jan 5th




My oh my.  So you weren't trolling after all? :lol: I don't think any of us in this thread have anything against the Jews.  I'd be just as opposed to it if it were some other nationality or race doing it in some other country.  This forum is about deconstructing or defending ideas (or in this case, traditions), not the people behind them.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
    #19230455 - 12/05/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I hate racism

I hate even more stupid fucking redneck bullies choosing an ancient topic for racial hatred as if they are being reasonable

if you cannot effect any change at all whatsoever your angst is merely topical and superfluous, or in other words - mere hatemongering

hatemongering begets more and so here I am standing knee deep in this shit with you all

fucking happy?

good - i'm taking a month off see you all Jan 5th





What a whiner. :lol:  Sounds personal with the jewish people cause most posts were very specific to the nuts doing the nasty and not the whole race. In fact imo it was just another stab at ugly religious/spiritual practices that you are prone to doing here all the time.

Is it that hard looking right in the mirror. I really don't see anything special here though. It's just another topic for discussion and you know how human nature is so don't act so shocked and offended. :haha:

Anyway have fun hiding out and I hope Santa brings you all your secret desires.  You will be missed. :heart:


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    #19231310 - 12/05/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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eve69 said:
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Errolscool said:
That is fucking disgusting.
Fucking circumcision is such a gross practice.

:lolocaust:





what's going on here? 
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I personally object to this animation here or anywhere. It is in bad taste to say the least, and the association of being sent from an animated boxcar to a mass gas chamber and crematorium is unmistakably a reference to the Nazi 'Final Solution.' Perhaps the most illuminating thing about the ability to use such an animation in connection to this is to shed light on which poster uses it and reveals his hater-nature. My choice is to relegate those whom I consider to be haters to the Ignore List. It's like erasing a mistake. I call the decision (personalism being avoided here moderators) to ignore someone my 'Douche Solution,' :lol:  and made possible by The Shroomery, which balances the presence of that nasty animation. I wonder if the illustrious creators of this site have considered the possibility of a lawsuit of The Shroomery, backed by the Jewish Defense League or the Anti-Defamation League. Even a bit of anti-Semitic graffiti gets the attention of these groups. Just saying (not doing, I like it here). :shrug:



The animation was in bad taste, I agree.
However, I'm not hate mongering when I say that this practice should be banned accross the board.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19231422 - 12/05/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am actually shocked to learn that such a practice exists and is tolerated. And I have browsed dark corners of the internet so that takes a lot.

I fear that more widespread knowledge of this practice could lead to an increase in antisemitic hate crimes. Of course racism is never justified but it's predictable how some people will react when they find out about this. I hope the people who are involved in this practice do the smart thing and stop doing it. They must realise that it's a seriously outdated tradition and has lost its relevance given that more sanitary (and less controversial) methods of achieving the same effect are now possible.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19231824 - 12/05/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bizarre for sure, yet I don't see how it's any of my business or anything I'd want to get worked up over.  Not my problem. :shrug:

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and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country.



 

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19232889 - 12/05/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very little posted on this forum is your business.  Why start complaining now? :lol:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19232909 - 12/05/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Bizarre for sure, yet I don't see how it's any of my business or anything I'd want to get worked up over.  Not my problem. :shrug:

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and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country.



 

:hank: Hick alert.




:lol: You're the type of person that would walk right past someone in need of help in the middle of a busy city.  I know your type.  Not your problem.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19232915 - 12/05/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd just fling some poo at em. :monkeydance:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19233106 - 12/05/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, it needs to be prevented, just as clitorectomy, and child-bride practices.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19233305 - 12/05/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd just fling some poo at em. :monkeydance:




Flinging poo at them might actually help them.  I can imagine a would-be robber fleeing the scene if you started flinging poo near his or her victim.  Our good old buddy CosmicJoke would simply walk on by, allowing the robbery and possible murder to happen.  It's not his problem after all. :yesnod:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Icelander]
    #19233461 - 12/05/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Very little posted on this forum is your business.  Why start complaining now? :lol:




I saw no PS&P inquiry being made, but rather a call to arms, which I enjoy complaining about.  IMHO it's rabble rousing better suited for Political discussion, as there was no aim to better understand why this phenomenon happens.

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:lol: You're the type of person that would walk right past someone in need of help in the middle of a busy city.  I know your type.  Not your problem.




You don't know that, you're only guessing, though partially correctly.  I virtually never give to beggars.  If I gave a buck to everyone who asked it would tally to over a thousand dollars weekly easily, though just today I walked five blocks out of the way to help a mildly mentally handicapped woman who was lost (and should not have been on the opposite side of town alone) find her way to the theatre her cousin was performing at.  :shrug:

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Yes, it needs to be prevented, just as clitorectomy, and child-bride practices.




A few years ago I saw this Die Antwoord music video Evil Boy which I found most peculiar until doing a bit of research.



Apparently in South Africa there are tribal circumcision rituals for teenage males, where they go out into the bush with a kitchen knife and no disinfectants or pain killers to perform it.  It's taken for granted within the ethnic group that you must do this, so much so that if you are a young man who does not participate, you are ostracized as gay, effiminate, and not a real man.  You never mature from being a boy to being a real man.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19233532 - 12/05/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19233567 - 12/05/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd just fling some poo at em. :monkeydance:




Flinging poo at them might actually help them.  I can imagine a would-be robber fleeing the scene if you started flinging poo near his or her victim.  Our good old buddy CosmicJoke would simply walk on by, allowing the robbery and possible murder to happen.  It's not his problem after all. :yesnod:




I would often walk on by myself.  Ever heard the saying that "no good deed goes unpunished".  Often you are only making a guess at what is going on it a situation.  It's hardly unheard of that a "victim" caused their own dilemma and have turned on their rescuers.  I tend to mind my own business most of the time.  Most people bring trouble down on themselves and you taking on that trouble hardly helps them in the long run but can certainly land you in a world of hurt.


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    #19233609 - 12/05/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:header: Yeah, I'll support anyone else's beliefs or practices, until it causes harm to others,(mental physical, whatever)and the risk of infection is definitely harm. This definitely crosses the line. It's not just gross, it's dangerous.

Even though the child won't remember, they sure will remember whatever disease they MIGHT contract.




I think the child might, on some level remember getting his dick cut and then some ugly ass troll male leering down on him in his suffering.




Nope.  Doesn't have the neuronal connections




Yeah...so that's not true.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9057731

Please: let's not pretend to be all scientific without checking the literature.  Male babies who are subjected to medical circumcision with or without painkillers do, on some level, remember it later.

The only ways to claim otherwise are to deny the logic of science; to deny the validity of the peer review process; or to redefine memory in such a way that reacting differently to stimuli on the basis of past experience via a neuronal mechanism isn't a form of memory.

:goodluckwiththat2:

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19233734 - 12/05/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This was no call to arms or anything of the sort.  I just wanted to spark a discussion here which is what this forum is about.  Hell that's what most forums are about.  Do I look like I'm rallying an army together ready to go take down some orthodox rabbis? :lol: I'm disturbed by the practice but not disturbed enough to go knock down doors over it.  It's not my problem after all.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19233816 - 12/05/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow I'm ashamed to say I avoided clicking on this because I thought it was just same old boring blood libel, but its real!  No words...  :awwhellno:


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You really think the baby remembers this?




Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or trolling, or simply didn't read anything I posted.  Babies are contracting STDs from this "tradition".  You're ok with that?



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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Legend]
    #19234499 - 12/05/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Reasonable people could disagree about that, Legend.  I personally think that reform Judaism that doesn't involve genital mutilation would be a good solution.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19234605 - 12/06/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This was no call to arms or anything of the sort.  I just wanted to spark a discussion here which is what this forum is about.  Hell that's what most forums are about.  Do I look like I'm rallying an army together ready to go take down some orthodox rabbis? :lol: I'm disturbed by the practice but not disturbed enough to go knock down doors over it.  It's not my problem after all.




I didn't read it as an attempt at intellectual discourse, but rather as a handful of emotionally charged gut reactions and a proclamation of lines crossed.

With regards to this bizarre ritual, it's certainly not my cup of tea :puke:, but fortunately I'm not a Jewish rabbi, religious, or have or even want kids.  While it does evoke some sense of culture shock, I'm not convinced that the rabbi's motivations are sexually perverse or indicative of sexual abuse either. I'm not sure, and I'm not ready to condemn them from guilt by association with their Catholic brethren either.  Undoubtably, it's pretty fucking weird from my cultural vantage point, but :ohwell: .

With regards to safety, it seems unquestionably a terrible idea.  At the same time, I don't know about your assessment that the rabbi 'wasn't clean', as it almost seemed as though you were implying that he had an STD. 

From what I understand, statistically, something like 2/3rds of all humans have HSV-1 (commonly considered 'oral herpes'), which is generally symptomatic of oral 'cold sores'.  HSV-1 can be spread to the genitals, but is very uncommon, because development of specific antibodies usually occur in childhood or adolescence that preclude a genital HSV-1 infection.  With a baby that lacks these antibodies, however, the risk of neonatal herpes seems real and it could be quite serious and potentially deadly..... Usually a baby would get this from HSV-2 (commonly thought of as 'genital herpes') from coming into contact with infected secretions in the birthing canal. :themoreyouknow:

And FWIW, from a cultural anthropological vantage point, a statement like "and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country." is just fucked on so many levels... It's no wonder that eve69 picked up on racism.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19234742 - 12/06/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is the point of the practice in the first place?  I just sliced the tip of your cock off here's a kiss?

And sorry MarktheGnostic I'm not so sure there are many "health benefits" to getting the end of your manhood lopped off, especially in today's world.  If your arguing for the sake of UTI's, Its 2013, keep your dick clean!  Even if not they make medicine.  Did you know right before a kid gets it sliced it goes to sleep.  That sleep is the brains response to traumatic experience, its shock!  Fucking barbaric. :ohgodpleaseno:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19234855 - 12/06/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What is the point of the practice in the first place?  I just sliced the tip of your cock off here's a kiss?

And sorry MarktheGnostic I'm not so sure there are many "health benefits" to getting the end of your manhood lopped off, especially in today's world.  If your arguing for the sake of UTI's, Its 2013, keep your dick clean!  Even if not they make medicine.  Did you know right before a kid gets it sliced it goes to sleep.  That sleep is the brains response to traumatic experience, its shock!  Fucking barbaric. :ohgodpleaseno:




You're asking me?  From what I understand, the point is to clean the wound with the wine... If it was me, pretending circumcision was something medically necessary to begin with (and I'm right there with you that it's not), I'm pretty sure I'd have thought of myriads of more safe, effective, and less repulsive ways to go about this task.  But apparently they see things differently, and there must be some ritualistic significance.  Perhaps they see the rabbi as blessing the child?  While this is pretty grotesque to us, I don't think we're making any legitimate attempt to understand them without an ethnographical inquiry into it.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19234867 - 12/06/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Culture is a drug.  Anything that would let wild shit like that happen is outside what should be acceptable. Especially if infants are getting teh herps.  Thats the gift that keeps givin.:yeahthatsright:


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19234877 - 12/06/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To all who still think this practice is okay:

Lets be clear, you are saying that snipping off the skin of a child's penis is okay, then having an old man suck on the wound for a little while. The wound, on his penis.

How the fuck is that an okay thing for any developing brain to go through?! Like at all? Ever? Whether he remember it or not it still happened.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Starskii]
    #19234883 - 12/06/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By the way, keep in mind that this old man knew he was going to have to suck on babies penises, and he still took the job.

What does that tell you?


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Starskii]
    #19234909 - 12/06/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck if I know, generally I don't experience emotional reactions and make snap decisions.  I have more questions before I have answers, which seems very unpopular around these parts.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19235107 - 12/06/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So...do they like, spit it out? drink it? or do what with the blood these grey grown men suck from an infants bleeding cock? Couldn't they at least have it be a babe? I mean come on think about when this child's parents tell them a grown man was sucking on there shit omg they have no choice either!


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: pokitman]
    #19235121 - 12/06/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Couldn't they at least have it be a babe?




:lol:  Reminds me of an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry rants that worshipping Jesus seems a little gay, that he could get behind it if he were a girl.  He'd worship Jane.



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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19235382 - 12/06/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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At the same time, I don't know about your assessment that the rabbi 'wasn't clean', as it almost seemed as though you were implying that he had an STD.




No, I said some rabbis who engage in this tradition aren't clean, and I stand by that true statement.  I did not mean to imply every single rabbi is running around with an STD.  Sorry if that wasn't clear from the beginning.

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And FWIW, from a cultural anthropological vantage point, a statement like "and it's happening right here on US soil, not some poo flinging backwards third world country." is just fucked on so many levels... It's no wonder that eve69 picked up on racism.




Once again, apologies if that offended anybody.  Could I have worded it a little differently?  Sure I could have, and probably should have.  Am I a racist or did I mean for the comment to sound racist?  Absolutely not and it's not my fault someone else wants to interpret my statement that way.

I'm all for live and let live with people's weird traditions but at the same time I reserve the right to call them out on their religious bullshit.  Religion is a mind virus because that's exactly how it behaves.  It spreads from one host to another, infecting them along the way and influencing their behaviors causing them to do irrational shit under the false pretense that some higher power wants them to do whatever it is they do.

In this particular case, these guys are absolutely convinced that their god wants them to cut a child's foreskin and then suck the wound clean with their mouth.  It's even in the article if you cared to read it.  No amount of arguing with them would convince them that this isn't the case.  That's why religion can be considered a mind virus.  These guys are infected with no cure in sight.

You want to perform a fucked up ritual in the name of your so called god?  Go right ahead, I'm not stopping you.  But I will rightfully call you out on your silly bullshit.  Race has nothing to do with it.  These guys could be purple and hail from Mars for all I give a shit.  You can't help what color you are or what nation you're born in but you have absolute and complete control over your actions and that's what I'm judging.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19235578 - 12/06/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have a kind of a unique perspective on this as I was circumcised at a late age.  I can definitely confirm that the level of sensitivity that was lost after being circumcised was extreme.  Before circumcision I could barely touch the uncovered glans (such as when bathing) because it was too sensitive.  It's kind of like how your dick feels when you've just cum, except all of the time.

Just after the circumcision it was tough standing up straight with pants on because the fabric touching me was too much, but eventually that went away as the fabric rubbed and rubbed until I had a normal circumcised dick that has to be manhandled in order to cum.

Because of this experience I do feel that circumcision is mutilation, just as bad as female genital mutilation.  Cultural relativism is fine within certain limits, but some things do need to be left at the door when assimilating into other cultures.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
    #19235586 - 12/06/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd just fling some poo at em. :monkeydance:




Flinging poo at them might actually help them.  I can imagine a would-be robber fleeing the scene if you started flinging poo near his or her victim.  Our good old buddy CosmicJoke would simply walk on by, allowing the robbery and possible murder to happen.  It's not his problem after all. :yesnod:



You would be charged with hate crimes and labeled an anti-semite, which means in some places you would never make it. Such as the entertainment industry etc.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19236164 - 12/06/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think we're making any legitimate attempt to understand them without an ethnographical inquiry into it.

There's nothing to understand. No ethnographical (or any other) justification of mutilation and torture is justified in any ethical world view, period. That goes double when it's inflicted without consent on an innocent consciousness that has not even learned to speak yet.

Would we be discussing ethnographics if instead of penises, religious imbeciles were tattooing babies or chopping off their pinky or cutting off ears or harvesting a kidney instead? I doubt it. So why does cultural relativity only apply as long as it's the baby's penis?


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Diploid]
    #19236478 - 12/06/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think we're making any legitimate attempt to understand them without an ethnographical inquiry into it.

There's nothing to understand. No ethnographical (or any other) justification of mutilation torture is justified in any ethical world view, period. That goes double when it's inflicted without consent on an innocent consciousness that has not even learned to speak yet.

Would we be discussing ethnographics if instead of penises, religious imbeciles were tattooing babies or chopping off their pinky or cutting off ears or harvesting a kidney instead? I doubt it. So why does cultural relativity only apply as long as it's the baby's penis?




I feel like you're shifting topics, from this bizarre post circumcision ritual that the OP felt merit in posting to circumcision itself, which muddles things.  Circumcision frankly doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  I have no idea what kind of long term negative psychological imprint on one's sense of safety and well being circumcision might make and if there's any difference if it's performed in the hospital with some form of anesthesia (which virtually every hospital in the US performs to my knowledge).  To me, it's all medically unnecessary and carries equally as many risks as benefits.  It's something I'd never want for a hypothetical child of mine (though I'd never want a child).

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The OP's topic seems far more about using a mouthful of wine to clean a baby's penis wound, which seems to have set off some serious tabboos. I would definitely be curious what a cultural anthropologist would have to say about it myself.


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19236955 - 12/06/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with Diploid; the baby penis sucking is part of a larger wrong that can't ethically be accommodated in the name of cultural sensitivity.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: hmmn]
    #19237198 - 12/06/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Which is?  Circumcision itself?  Which culture?  I'm pretty sure circumcision is still one of the most common procedures in hospital stays in the US, but is definitely trending downwards from say even the 1980s.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19237626 - 12/06/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Genital mutilation, yeah.  It's seen as abhorent - regardless of gender - almost everywhere that isn't the United States, Israel, a Muslim country, or some of Africa.  Jews, Muslims, some Africans, and a substantial minority of Americans think it's ok to cut off functioning, healthy parts of the genitals of children of one or both genders.  Just about everybody else doesn't.

I certainly don't think it's something that an ethical society can accept for any reason beyond the exceedingly rare medical necessity.

People in the United States are moving in that direction as well.  It's one of the most common pediatric surgeries in the U.S., primarily because pediatric surgery is uncommon.  It's becoming less common each year; hospital male circumcision rates in infants are between 40% and 50% at present.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: hmmn]
    #19238047 - 12/06/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What gets me is the fucko doctors that deep down know it doesn't serve any medical purpose.  Yet they still get paychecks and kicks from snippin little boy prick.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19238066 - 12/06/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I feel like you're shifting topics, from this bizarre post circumcision ritual that the OP felt merit in posting to circumcision itself, which muddles things.  Circumcision frankly doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  I have no idea what kind of long term negative psychological imprint on one's sense of safety and well being circumcision might make and if there's any difference if it's performed in the hospital with some form of anesthesia (which virtually every hospital in the US performs to my knowledge).  To me, it's all medically unnecessary and carries equally as many risks as benefits.  It's something I'd never want for a hypothetical child of mine (though I'd never want a child).

Edit:

The OP's topic seems far more about using a mouthful of wine to clean a baby's penis wound, which seems to have set off some serious tabboos. I would definitely be curious what a cultural anthropologist would have to say about it myself.




I think if you start from the premise that circumcision is wrong then anything that comes after is wrong as well.  It doesn't matter if they clean the wound with their mouths or wear the foreskin as a little yarmulke.  They shouldn't have cut it off in the first place!


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Mr Person]
    #19238241 - 12/06/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think if you start from the premise that circumcision is wrong then anything that comes after is wrong as well.  It doesn't matter if they clean the wound with their mouths or wear the foreskin as a little yarmulke.  They shouldn't have cut it off in the first place!




I'm largely in agreement. I see the procedure as medically unnecessary, and since there is some chance that someone might be embittered by having had it done to them, I'd prefer a world where male neonatal circumcision wasn't practiced and circumcision was only a viable option for consenting adults.  At the same time, I don't think it's even comparable to female genital mutilation, which is misogynistic in nature, known to cause serious psychological and physical harm to virtually all its recipients, and is downright tragic.  There is some medical reasoning behind neonatal male circumcision whether we agree with it or not, so I'm at least willing to consider other's point of view and have do not react to it with indignant anger. :shrug:

At any rate, I'm bored with playing devil's advocate on this one (which I was only motivated by what I perceived as a few culturally insensitive sentiments). Little new information has been introduced for some time, and it's became a boring moral fuck fest.


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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19238390 - 12/06/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well...there are many people (including myself) who see removing anybody's prepuce (foreskin/clitoral hood) as equivalent.  There are far worse things done to female genitals in some parts of africa, but in many places its basically the same mutilation done to males and females. :shrug:

Anyway this topic is pretty much done.


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