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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Futuresight]
#19227975 - 12/04/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Futuresight] 1
#19227980 - 12/04/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's pretty fucking bizarre behavior but I guess it's to be expected when dealing with religion.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: zappaisgod] 4
#19228141 - 12/04/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope. Doesn't have the neuronal connections
I don't know about this. While I agree that the single sucking event is probably not enough to produce lasting psychological effects, the horrifically intense pain caused by forcibly skinning the frenulum and pepuce off the glans of an not-anesthetized penis then cutting it off probably does - especially given that the baby brain is forming neural connections at that time faster than it ever will again. These are among the most densely innervated parts of the body after all and similar to the tissues that connect a fingernail to a finger, so they have enormous neural bandwidth to the brain and are among the most painful to injure.
But even if we grant that this one-time pain from these tissues being ripped off the glans isn't remembered, the repeated pain every time the baby urinates uric acid on the open wound over the next couple of weeks may well leave some psychological effects as the rapidly-developing brain associates urination with intense pain.
What kind of fucked up shit that leaves behind in the baby's psychology is anyone's guess, but I doubt it's anything good.
BTW, if moronic rabbis obeying their invisible friend were snipping off part of baby girls' clitoris, then sucking on it, I'm pretty sure they'd go to jail or a mental institution. And if someone cut off the tip of a child's finger, using no anesthesia, and for no medical reason, this would be considered a heinous crime. Or if a parent had their baby boy's penis pierced and put in one of those Prince Albert dick-rings as part of a cultural/religious ceremony, they'd go to jail, but not if a moron who speaks Yiddish does something similarly brutal and irreversible. So how the fuck do people compartmentalize this brutal, non-therapeutic act as long as it's a boy? I will never understand this.
Humans are incredibly fucked up critters.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Diploid]
#19228179 - 12/04/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is fucking disgusting. Fucking circumcision is such a gross practice.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
#19228205 - 12/04/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No wonder everyone has shit on the jews throughout history.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
#19228284 - 12/04/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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none of those photos show anything definable and you all are falling for hate propaganda - i expected more brains in this forum - less racial hate
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
#19228319 - 12/04/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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By: Tibbi Singer Published: June 9th, 2012 print tell a friend Ancient 'Metzitza' Practice Followed by Newer Custom of Haredi Bashing Photo Credit: Tammy Urman Towards the end of last week, a story had come out about a new brochure issued by the NY City Health Dept. discouraging the practice of “metzitza b’pe.” DOH’s commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley was pushing the story, hoping to get New Yorkers to spread the word. There are important reasons why the practice should be altered.
In the past decade or so, more than ten babies have contracted Herpes from their mohel because of the “metzitza” with dire consequences, including brain damage and death. The press, including the small p Jewish press, had a field day, bashing the barbarian religious Jews killing their own babies. The least of it was the JTA story, which, after devoting six full paragraphs to the commissioner’s statement and the brochure, added the obligatory non sequitur: “Haredi leaders have resisted calls to replace direct oral suction with alternative approaches used by some mohels.”
Which Haredi leaders? And for what reason? Not important. You should know that in this story there’s a good guy, the health commissioner, and he is up against medieval sources, the Haredim, who are so blinded by their primitive tradition, they’d rather see babies die than change anything. Elizabeth Batt of Digital Journal investigates this issue in her take on the story. She checked out the website of Cantor Philip L. Sherman, a Mohel of White Plains, NY, and on his website he says that he never performs metzitzah b’peh and never will, and that “performing metzitzah using one’s mouth is primarily a Chasidic custom.”
So now we have a JTA story about how those Haredim hate babies, and a well researched story about this guy who can tell you it’s the Chasidim what hate their babies so much, they give them herpes. Failed Messiah has much more serious research to offer: “MBP is primarily a hasidic and right wing non-hasidic Haredi practice today. The rest of Orthodoxy usually uses a sterile glass pipette or tube through which the mohel applies oral suction.”
But, unlike the rest of the press, Failed offers several links to examples of Haredim who defend the practice and go out of their way to deny the danger. Most notable is Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, cited by Yeshiva World. But the Kamenetsky opinion is based on the assertion that no correlation had been proven between the practice and the herpes. One can hope that when faced with irrefutable proof, such as the one provided by the CDC, the learned rabbi will change his opinion. Incidentally, Kamenetsky has told the Jewish Week that in his own community “as far as I know, they do metzitzah with a tube.” We used another link offered by Failed, to a Jewish Week interview with Rabbi David Niederman, executive director and president of the United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg, who claimed that the September death of an infant “had nothing to do with metzitzah b’peh,” or direct oral suction, despite the medical examiner’s ruling that the cause of death was “disseminated herpes simplex type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction.”
The same Jewish Week story refers also to a paper by infectious diseases expert Dr. Daniel S. Berman (offered on Faild’s website), attempting to cast doubt on the connection established by the NY medical examiner and the baby’s death after being infected by his mohel. Essentially, Berman argues that it’s true that the mohel has herpes, and it’s true that the baby died from herpes, but the ME has not established that it was the same herpes. He may be right, for all I know.
But I agree with a few comments that suggested the good doctor might be acting a bit too cute. The Jewish Press’ coverage of the story included the halachic foundations of the mitzvah, and several good citations from the brochure on alternative methods. It also explained, once and for all, why Jewish law prescribes this act, and that its purpose is actually to save the baby’s life.
Read more at: http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/jblogs/ancient-metzitza-practice-followed-by-newer-custom-of-haredi-bashing/2012/06/09/
metziztza is a hasidic and orthodox practice and not usual of all jews
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] 1
#19228323 - 12/04/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you all are falling for hate propaganda
Yeah people who advocate for the abolition of baby female clitoris chopping and baby male penis chopping are haters interested in spewing baseless propaganda more than protecting children from brutal morons obeying the Spaghetti Monster.
You have some seriously fucked up, debased beliefs man. 
BTW, here's some "propaganda" from the American Medical Association:
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Now let's examine how a typical medical circumcision is performed.
First the child, after 9 months in the fetal position, is tied down spreadeagled and straight-backed in a circumstraint, a plastic board molded to the outline of an infant's body, which is equipped with velcro straps.
Next he is covered with a sheet which has a hole through which his penis is threaded. Then his penis is thoroughly swabbed with sterilizing solution. Naturally, this frequently provokes an erection. Some physicians deliberately provoke erections in order to judge the "cutoff line" and to aid in the surgery itself.
In any case, in the infant's brand new, wide-open, pre-verbal consciousness, this is his first sexual experience: a torturous nightmare.
Because the foreskin of an infant is attached to the head of the penis by the same tissue that bonds a fingernail to a finger, it must be skinned away before it can be cut off. So the doctor forces a metal probe between the foreskin and the head and tears apart this flesh (called synechia) which bonds them together. Next, the doctor has several options for the actual amputation.
One commonly used device for this step is called a gomco clamp. This essentially functions as a thumbscrew for the foreskin. I am not making this up.
Surgical scissors are used to cut a slit along the length of the foreskin in order to insert the metal "bell" which serves as one jaw of the clamp. The foreskin is pulled over the bell and the other jaw of the clamp is attached.
Then, by tightening a screw, the foreskin, one of the most densely innervated tissues of the body, is audibly crushed along two lines (inner and outer foreskin) around its circumference.
(Since all the nerves of the foreskin pass through this crush line, the pain perception may be similar to that of putting virtually the entire erogenous surface of the penis in a vise.)
The clamp is left on for a few minutes to promote blood clotting, then the foreskin is cut off at the crush line.
Afterwards, the raw, bleeding, formerly internal organ is wrapped in bandages and a diaper, and then repeatedly burned with urine and its breakdown product, ammonia, and exposed to infectious fecal matter while healing.
For many years the mainstream medical orthodoxy, put forth after it was no longer acceptable to torture children in the name of "moral hygiene," was that babies don't feel pain. It wasn't until 1978 that researchers even suggested using anesthetic during circumcision, and even today, most medical circumcisions are performed without anesthesia, according to the AMA.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] 1
#19228380 - 12/04/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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By: Tibbi Singer Published: June 9th, 2012
Interesting that your link provides zero substantiation or bibliography and is published in what is arguably a biased (jewish) publication by adults who still talk to an invisible friend and who fancy themselves epidemiologists.
Now here's one written by REAL epidemiologists with hard facts behind it. To wit, in 2012 in New York alone there were 11 confirmed, documented Herpies infections of babies who were unfortunate enough to have drooling morons for parents and disgusting STD-infected perverts for religious leaders. Babies catching STDs from this shit is not rare no matter how uncomfortable that may make you feel.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/std/bris-statement.pdf
metziztza is a hasidic and orthodox practice and not usual of all jews
So what? One infected baby is enough. Maybe you can next tell me how violence among muslims is "not usual" either. 
George Bernard Shaw once said: "Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity."
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: Diploid]
#19228839 - 12/04/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you all are falling for hate propaganda

Say what!?
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] 2
#19228864 - 12/04/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: you all are falling for hate propaganda
I did a little digging and it does seem to be an actual practice,not just hate propaganda. I dont know how common it is,but I'm sick and tired of kids getting their dicks snipped because some Jewish doctors sold it to the Americans in the 1930s, let alone rabbis sucking them off as well. It is outrageous.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: SuperD]
#19228979 - 12/04/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's utterly disgusting. I have seen a number of Bris ceremonies, (including my brother's when I was 4 years old), but I've never even heard of this practice and I'm a 60 year old of Eastern-European Jewish descent! I need to research this further to see if it's accurate or just another form of anti-Semitic propaganda. It certainly not as bad as female clitorectomy performed with unsterile razors. I've been to Nigeria where this form of misogynistic mutilation still occurs. I am in favor of male circumcision for health reasons. My Lady wouldn't want an uncut organ according to her (she is neither Jewish or Muslim).
Research results:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/metzitzah-bpeh-blood-sucking-jewish-circumcision-ritual-debated-by-nyc-mayoral-candidates-video_n_3360526.html
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/in-defense-of-parental-consent-for-metzitzah-bpeh/2013/10/16/
http://matzav.com/halacha-berurah-halachic-historical-and-medical-overview-of-metzitzah-bpeh
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69] 1
#19229158 - 12/04/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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eve69 said: none of those photos show anything definable
Look at the NPR article not the imgur. This is an actual practice, but isnt performed by the run of the mill Jew. There are a bunch of backwards things fundamentalists accross all religions practice especially some ortho jews, but this is tops the charts.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
#19230036 - 12/05/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You all aren't advocating anything you're just spewing other people's garbage and getting pissed about it. You might as well get pissed that some people trip on cracks in the sidewalk. Being angry and sharing your angst isn't advocating. Nice try, but TROLLING.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
#19230040 - 12/05/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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eve69 said: You all aren't advocating anything you're just spewing other people's garbage and getting pissed about it. You might as well get pissed that some people trip on cracks in the sidewalk. Being angry and sharing your angst isn't advocating. Nice try, but TROLLING.
So do you have proof this doesn't happen or not? Because it seems like there's a dude sucking blood outta baby dick.
If you ask me, that's a little creepy.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: LittleDipster]
#19230062 - 12/05/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't like religion at all. Any of them. I am not advocating anything.
But the OP and you others getting all self righteously indignant and then saying gas all jews, you guys aren't part of the solution.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
#19230071 - 12/05/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But the OP and you others getting all self righteously indignant and then saying gas all jews, you guys aren't part of the solution.
no one ever said anything close to that in this thread.
You seem to think that we're falling for anti-jewish propaganda, but no one in the thread is attacking Judaism. Most people's reaction seems to be disgust in the fact that things like this still happen in the name of religious freedom, jewish or not.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
#19230094 - 12/05/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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eve69 said: You all aren't advocating anything you're just spewing other people's garbage and getting pissed about it. You might as well get pissed that some people trip on cracks in the sidewalk. Being angry and sharing your angst isn't advocating. Nice try, but TROLLING.
Me thinks he protests too much.
Links to actual evidence have been presented.
What do you care? I see you vilifying other spiritual practices here all the fucking time. And your reactions are illogical and asserting things are being said that are not. What's really going on here.
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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: ChinChiller]
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Errolscool said: That is fucking disgusting. Fucking circumcision is such a gross practice.

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Re: Jewish priests sucking bloody baby genitalia [Re: eve69]
#19230148 - 12/05/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I asked you what's going on?
I've never seen you like this? That usually means emotional investment and some kind of connection.
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