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psykonautix
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19225672 - 12/04/13 08:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used coco and verm. I used Frank's pasteurization technique but I had to go to work half way through and let my brother watch it and the temps got to 180...
so learned my lesson to not trust anyone else to be as smart as you lol
all part of the learning process
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: psykonautix]
#19225723 - 12/04/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Someone just used sterilized coir as a substrate so I really don't think that's your problem. Coir really does no contaminate that easy even with the worst of pasteurization attempts. I would agree that you had bad spawn. Next time smell the jars before you spawn them.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19225736 - 12/04/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I smelled em but being a newb I really don't know what I'm smelling for. I know what fresh myc smells like but they all smelled the same to me so idn.
Just gonna be a bit more careful on the next run. I think I didn't let the grains dry enough before loading the jars cuz there were small spots on a couple jars that were wet and un colonized. BEFORE you tell me wtf why did you use jars that weren't fully col, they were all like that and I just wanted to see what would happen and now I did with this important learning experience
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: psykonautix]
#19225739 - 12/04/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ALSO thank you all for your constructive criticism and especially FRANK for teaching me your ways! I followed your tek's to the T on the tub I have going good now and its beautiful
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19225740 - 12/04/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Someone just used sterilized coir as a substrate so I really don't think that's your problem. Coir really does no contaminate that easy even with the worst of pasteurization attempts. I would agree that you had bad spawn. Next time smell the jars before you spawn them.
disagree, this is why the bucket tek fails alot of the time sterilized substrate will fail ALOT
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: twistedty]
#19225829 - 12/04/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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twistedty said:
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Sgt. Pepper said: Someone just used sterilized coir as a substrate so I really don't think that's your problem. Coir really does no contaminate that easy even with the worst of pasteurization attempts. I would agree that you had bad spawn. Next time smell the jars before you spawn them.
disagree, this is why the bucket tek fails alot of the time sterilized substrate will fail ALOT
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19178683/page/1
I am not on board 100% with this (I do find it plausable), but Coir has been a huge hotspot of debate across forums everywhere.
I believe that I have read RR mention that the process of pasteurizing breaks down the coir and makes it easier to utilize by the mycelium.
There are plenty of first hand experiences with coir not contaminating for months while sitting out in open air/having reptile urine/stool all over it.
There needs to be more research (I.e. I will be trying this)...With me attempting to be the laziest person in the world, If I could simply sterilize and not babysit the timer/thermometer it would be excellent.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19225887 - 12/04/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unlike sterilization, pasteurization is not intended to kill all micro-organisms in the food
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anne halonium
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19225977 - 12/04/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: "ruin my grow space" scenario
your grow room should be getting fresh air which balances it all out.
silly me, i thought. all modern labs simply open the windows , when they have an overwhelming contam break outs. and then they balance out........
the labs that work with agricultural pathogens, have all their facilities designed with extra windows for this, drive by one any afternoon, and youll see the lab techs hanging out the windows, smoking, masks on top of their heads.

its magical thinking. you cant spin filth levels with a mere opinion. even lab rats know better.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: anne halonium]
#19226044 - 12/04/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it'd be utterly ridiculous for a lab to have some form of ventilation.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Kizzle]
#19226084 - 12/04/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude stays talkin shit
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: psykonautix]
#19226086 - 12/04/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can have a conversation without being a dick about it jes sayin...
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anne halonium
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Kizzle]
#19226449 - 12/04/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Yeah it'd be utterly ridiculous for a lab to have some form of ventilation.
you mean........
Yeah it'd be utterly ridiculous for a lab, to have the SAME form of ventilation as you guys do.
total agreement.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19226509 - 12/04/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whippy said: There needs to be more research (I.e. I will be trying this)...With me attempting to be the laziest person in the world, If I could simply sterilize and not babysit the timer/thermometer it would be excellent.
Then why don't you give it a shot? 
Sterile coir works fine.
If you want to play it safe (I do) then pasteurize it anyhow.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19227331 - 12/04/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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An electronic kitchen thermometer with a digital meter and alarm on it does wonders for the pasteurization process.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: twistedty]
#19227354 - 12/04/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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twistedty said:
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Sgt. Pepper said: Someone just used sterilized coir as a substrate so I really don't think that's your problem. Coir really does no contaminate that easy even with the worst of pasteurization attempts. I would agree that you had bad spawn. Next time smell the jars before you spawn them.
disagree, this is why the bucket tek fails alot of the time sterilized substrate will fail ALOT
It was my understanding that the bucket tek was, if done properly, a pasteurization method, not sterilization?
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#19227514 - 12/04/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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a pretty shoddy one
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anne halonium
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: fractaldill]
#19227563 - 12/04/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you make shoddy , sound so below standard.
pastuerization, works when done right in clean areas. problem is, alot of times it isnt done right, or in clean areas.
some growers, are just shoddy, no matter what the style. shoddy growers, get shoddy results.
good grows, , good teks, good labs, dont end in trich. dont let shoddy growers, trich ya into thinking its a standard. its not.
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: anne halonium]
#19227578 - 12/04/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: you make shoddy , sounds so below standard.
pastuerization, works when done right in clean areas. problem is, alot of times it isnt done right, or in clean areas.
some growers, are just shoddy, no matter what the style. shoddy growers, get shoddy results.
good grows, , good teks, good labs, dont end in trich.
 holy shit anne's been hacked
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anne halonium
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19227625 - 12/04/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the idea im against bulks , or certain methods, is a contrivance of my least esteemed enemies. their distortions are to deflect from their shoddy practice, by pitting me against a whole class of growers. no one will rally to the aid of unsanitary lazy , and cheap hacks otherwise, unless they make it about something its not.
reality, im against filthy fast buck low effort, wasteful energy, poorly educated hacks, who often produce contaminated products, and ignore bio safety basics.
^ and im proud to be attacked for it daily.
 
any method peeps use thats workable , effective, sane, safe, and carried out properly is fine.
i did bulks all thru the 1980s, up to kiddie pool size.
all growers see contams. even pros with best stuff, see contams. a spot on a plate sometimes, is to be expected maybe an odd jar goes bad......
24 tubs of trich, and grows routinely ending in trich, and the cultivator ADMITS to filthy practice? im sorry, but thats not a shroom cultivator. thats a trich cultivator that lucks out growing shrooms.
bulkers, bulk up, do it right, and youll see little trich. imitate the trichsters shoddy grows, and dont be surprised if your seeing green.
ironically, alot of what you guys call trich, is actually aspergillus......... oddly, standard good cleaning mostly gets rid of it. so, its not just a magical thing that jinxes grows. pro labs avoid it, and so do clean noobs.
exposure to large amounts of aspergillus, would indicate youve exposed to heptacarcinogens. wiki it.
one again, annie stands for education , safety, clean ops, solid equip, and efficient power saving methods.
    
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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: anne halonium]
#19227929 - 12/04/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:
pastuerization, works when done right
As far as i know, the bucket tek isnt proper pasteurization
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