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matteo89
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: PussyFart]
#19187528 - 11/25/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Shake both.
shake it gently? enough to loosen it up? shake vigourously?? lol dont want to stunn anything
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89] 2
#19187544 - 11/25/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shake it like it cheated on you.
Shake it like it owes you money.
I shake mine like maracas.....
Seriously tho, shake them until every grain is separated....
It will look like the mycellium disappeared...until it recovers in 24-72 hours.....
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: PussyFart]
#19187551 - 11/25/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: tripdawg420]
#19187642 - 11/25/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you know i was always much better at using Windows paint to create masterpieces, than i was at using popcorn as spawn.. good to see someones partial success never the less!!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Josh.0]
#19188875 - 11/25/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i shook the SHIT-ake out of them (1st and last pun!!) will post an update when i see some changes
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19196353 - 11/27/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mike left...now mike is back!!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19200881 - 11/28/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!! real thankful for any and all input offered in this thread!!
Just an update on how they looked this morning, its looking real nice for all i know. The other jar is still a little slower then the one with all the prominent growth but i have faith in it. How long would u expect for it to be 100%? i want to make sure i start the substrate as soon as i need to to not let these jars go for to long. I think im just going to use damions tek, its simple and easy to prepare. Anyone input on if i should use gypsum or not? i figured since popcorn isnt the best grain already and im growing PE the extra nutrients would really be beneficial, although damion states that he doesnt use any...?! ill post probably tomorrow a few specs of where i plan to fruit them and any help with the assembly of a fruiting chamber would be a great help. Cheers y'all enjoy all the festivities!!

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19200911 - 11/28/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you got gypsum chuck a handfull in there
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: cronicr]
#19200963 - 11/28/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're gonna do a bucket TEK, use water between 175-180F, not boiling.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19204811 - 11/29/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is how they are loooking this morning. this it the bin i want to use to fruit in. http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70102972/#/30102974
I had spray painted it black for when it still needs to be kept in the dark. im just worried that the jars will be colonizing for too long... can any one give an input as to how long these jars look like they can go for? i still need to buy some cococoir, would a reptile or exotic animal pet store be my best bet? i saw that homedepot had some sort of coco peat moss thing a while ago but idk about home depot, everytime i go to look for something they never have it in stock. any advice will really help!!

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19204833 - 11/29/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never messed with popcorn but the way they look it's gonna be awhile before there ready
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19204840 - 11/29/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Be patient
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19225902 - 12/04/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Update:
Myc is consistently thinkineing up, alot more knotting has been seen, all in all looks good. Ill post pics later for anyone interested
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19229240 - 12/04/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here are the jars as of today..its been 20 days since inoculation Jar 1:


Jar 2:


Heres a pic of the lid for anyone curious

How am i doing? you think i can have these going until next thursday? its finals week for me -____-
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19229738 - 12/05/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They're definitely fully colonized, just leave them alone and you can use them whenever you'd like. If you have to wait a long time, be sure to dunk your grains before you spawn to bulk!! I forgot to do this on my tub and am suffering, plus I shook too much, so just leave til you have everything.
I bought my first 3 brick pack of coir at petsmart in the reptile section for 10 bux.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: KnownPown]
#19244186 - 12/08/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys im having a tough time locating coco coir at a store. i live in the US, florida actually, if anyone can chime in on any idea where i coulld go to pick some up. KnownPown i looked up the petsmart website and they didnt have any in listed, should i just go to the store and itll most likely be there? i really want to case with coco and verm, ive seen alot of good grows of PE done like this, especially after adding a layer of casing ontop of the substrate to prevent blobs forming. What about peat moss, could that be used to, any suggestions? My second option would be to just buy a brick, but ill probably get it by the end of the week, and idk if i want to keep the jars so long. Just to weigh my options, i could also just lay perlite in the top with multiple FAE holes and place the colonized substrate into baking trays and case with a verm, but if i do the bulk casing i just add about 6 2-4 inch holes filled with polyfill. lemme kno on any tips please, ive made it this far and the jars are both looking 100% or almost there, i dont want to mess up, and im sure i can produce some fruits cause my conditions are pretty optimal as of now. if anyone is interested, ill post pics of the jars with the myc and rhyizo looking realy good.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19244318 - 12/08/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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matteo89 said: im sure i can produce some fruits cause my conditions are pretty optimal as of now.
Take your time, and get some coir and verm if that is really what you want. Just about any big chain pet store SHOULD have eco earth coir. If not, there are plenty of places on the web that will ship.
As for creating a fruiting chamber, with 2 quarts of spawn you may want to look at a "Mini-mono". 2 qt spawn + 4-6qt of "bulk substrate" should be optimal. Most people stick with a 20-30% vermiculite. Proper moisture of the bulk substrate is 100% critical. Too much moisture is much worse than not enough however. With a small mono, you will need to mist a bit because the small substrate will be prone to drying out more than a larger one.
Frank Horrigan has a great write up on monotubs. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163
His links provide all sorts of great info on creating the best conditions.
Ill explain my mini-monos a bit for you.
I regular spawn 1-2 quarts to mini-monos. I use a "shoebox" tub which is a 6qt plastic tote with a lid. I generally spawn 1 quart to a bit over 3 quarts "bulk" in these, and always case with a 50/50% mix of verm/sphagnum peat.
Everything should be pasteurized between 140-160 for an hour, but no more than 2. IIRC The aforementioned link has better info than my explanation. (Simple coir substrate prep)
Finding a fruiting chamber then for your tub(s) is a great idea. I found that I can fit 2 of my shoeboxes into ONE 66qt monotub. I use 2" holes, but they probally could be as small as 1-1/2".
Ill plug a link for a mini-mono I had a few months ago. I am not telling you at all to use sawdust, but am providing this link as my first hand observation of a small tub, and the daily maintenance. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18840073
2 of these shoeboxes in a larger fruiting chamber will keep higher humidity and dry out slower than a single one, based on the volume.
Hope that helps you in the right direction and is coherent.
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YESS!! thanks Whippy!! this is what i was talking about when i meant casing the substrate, i had read this but was to hiigh to bookmark it or anything lol. FrankHorrigan's tek is what i was planning on following. OK, so my tub that i want to fruit in is 12 gallons so 48 qts. is the two jars i have going to be good enough to do a full monotub? like will the spawn:substrate ratio be good to produce a good strong brick? or would the little trays work best with the amount of spawn i have?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19245355 - 12/08/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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matteo89 said: YESS!! thanks Whippy!! this is what i was talking about when i meant casing the substrate, i had read this but was to hiigh to bookmark it or anything lol. FrankHorrigan's tek is what i was planning on following. OK, so my tub that i want to fruit in is 12 gallons so 48 qts. is the two jars i have going to be good enough to do a full monotub? like will the spawn:substrate ratio be good to produce a good strong brick? or would the little trays work best with the amount of spawn i have?
I would not go farther than mixing 4 quarts TOTAL of bulk PER quart of spawn. Other variables are "depth" of the substrate. There have been quotes from trusted cultivators stating that a depth over 2" but not more than 4". There is quite a bit of information about this, and some cultivators swear there is no difference between 2" and 4". I don't have enough documentation to discredit/prove any of this.
I have learned quite a bit through others about this forum. Users like TrancendingLife, Frank Horrigan and Notahacker420 ALL have great writeups (much better than mine for sure).
So with 2 quarts of spawn I would not use more than 6 quarts of coir and 2 quarts of vermiculite. Spawn ratio is critical for colonization. You need to have it 100% colonized within 14 days, or statistics will start to show you contamination. It becomes a math problem that you will have to decide.
How many quarts does it take to fill your tub 2-4 inches. You should stay within a 4 parts bulk to 1 part spawn OR LESS. Less would be better, because it will colonize faster, and get you a solid mass of contaminant resist mycelium, and directly into fruiting faster.
Terminology:
Casing: Non-nutritious: Generally Sphagnum Peat + verm. Most current uses of "casing" involve using it as a "topper" to your bulk substrate. Frank_Horrigan did a very interesting study on casing with the "PE" strain, and I HIGHLY recommend it to you as it could be quite relevant. One could mix their grain with nothing more than Peat/verm. This is called "cased grain". It is also a proven method, though most agree that it will not preform as well as coir/verm.
Bulk: Semi nutritious: Coir/Straw/horsepoo etc. These are substrates that will contaminate easily, however if they are pasteurized they will also become colonized readily by your hungry mycelium.
Common acceptance is that "Casing" layer is unnecessary for cubes, and though I agree, I have never done a cube grow without. It cannot hurt. I am quite active with portabellos in the spring, and they require casing for a number of reasons. It only seems natural to me to do it that way.
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matteo89
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Hey this was the only stuff i could find around my area, any comments or concerns to this kind of coco coir? its not compressed but the description matches pretty well, but the pieces look alot more coarser then some of the coco coir if seen around the threads
http://www.vetinternetco.com/reptiles/substrate-bedding/coco-soft-reptile-bedding-4qt?gclid=CJ_a_t24prsCFUsV7Aodd3oADA
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