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TheMustardTiger



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LC really THAT bad?
#19225363 - 12/04/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first grow with LC from a not so reputable vendor, went sour. VERY sour. Lets just say I feasted and saw nothing and the yield was downright embarrassing. I don't have access to much else other than LC and I was just wondering how bad this stuff really is? Does it fail most of the time, or is it just stigmatized by higher level growers because it's so elementary? I'm going to inoculate some grains and go for bulk this time with some LC I ordered from a reputable sponsor but I just wanted to get some feedback and have some dialogue about this. Hopefully some TC's can chime in with their ideas and experiences. I know this is a prehistoric topic that's been discussed time and time again, but it seems like a lot of the information I see regarding LC is at the far end of each spectrum: Some people love it, others hate it. So what's the deal?
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TheCyndicate
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Try agar it's faster and easer then you might think.
Cyn
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TheMustardTiger



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I actually just ordered some agar equipment so I'll definitely be diving into that very soon.
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twistedty
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yes LC is that bad. to do a proper LC you should use a clean culture wedge from agar, which is dumb when you can drop that wedge into a grain master jar then g2g your heart out.
agar is easier, faster, and you can isolate also.
and slants.
agars pros crush LCs, i dont know what pros LCs have
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Re: LC really THAT bad? [Re: twistedty]
#19225436 - 12/04/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LC is for noobs. I know of absolutely no experienced or commercial mushroom growers who would ever waste their time on such gambling. You can't see most contaminants in LC, so you're rolling the dice with every inoculation. Experienced growers want a higher rate of success for their hard work.
Furthermore, LC is considerably slower than spores to agar to grains. It's much slower than spores directly to grains, where you can see and/or smell the contamination if present before spawning. With LC, you have no such ability. RR
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twistedty
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RogerRabbit said: LC is for noobs. I know of absolutely no experienced or commercial mushroom growers who would ever waste their time on such gambling. You can't see most contaminants in LC, so you're rolling the dice with every inoculation. Experienced growers want a higher rate of success for their hard work.
Furthermore, LC is considerably slower than spores to agar to grains. It's much slower than spores directly to grains, where you can see and/or smell the contamination if present before spawning. With LC, you have no such ability. RR
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TheMustardTiger



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Thanks for the responses, and a big thanks to you RR, I was hoping your chime in. So I'm assuming, with my limited culture resources, my most efficient route would be LC to agar? I have agar supplies on the way so this a feasible route for me. Thanks.
Cory
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twistedty
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MustardTiger66 said: Thanks for the responses, and a big thanks to you RR, I was hoping your chime in. So I'm assuming, with my limited culture resources, my most efficient route would be LC to agar? I have agar supplies on the way so this a feasible route for me. Thanks.
Cory
with limited culture experience agar is still so easy its like making jello, you can put w/e you want on the dish, scrape a spore print with innoc loop,few drops from ms syringe, or if you have any fresh fruits laying around you can tear it open and cut a piece right out of the stipe and lay it in your dish.
agar is so versatile
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TheMustardTiger



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Re: LC really THAT bad? [Re: twistedty]
#19225474 - 12/04/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm trying to get to the point where I have good fruits to work off of but as I stated, spore syringes are all I have at the moment so I'm going to have to shoot some onto agar and do some work. Thanks
Cory.
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RogerRabbit
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Expect bacteria and be ready to make series of rapid transfers to get clean mycelium away from it. Syringes are not the best source of spores for agar work. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Expect bacteria and be ready to make series of rapid transfers to get clean mycelium away from it. Syringes are not the best source of spores for agar work. RR
this is true not ideal and it does take a lil longer with spore syringes on agar but once you pull on clean wedge off of it and transfer to clean dish it speeds up dramatically
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TheMustardTiger



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Re: LC really THAT bad? [Re: twistedty]
#19225498 - 12/04/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess I'll give this a go and make sure I do it right. I'll hope for some luck while I'm at it too. Thanks again everyone, and wish me luck. I'll more than likely do a grow log or at the very least keep thread open with updates on this. Cheers
Cory.
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