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Rye Jars Really Dry
    #19224897 - 12/03/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've spent the last week or so making around 24 rye jars and its been an extreme pain and I had fallowed this tek
RogerRabbit said:
My rye tek:
Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, one cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt.

You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much hot tap water as you have rye. Use half coffee and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches.  Add approximately a 1/4 teaspoon of gypsum per cup of rye. Stir these into the water/grain well. For my large kettle with ten cups of rye and two to three gallons of water, or (coffee/water)I add a tablespoon of gypsum and mix in. Cover and leave this to sit for 6-24 hours.

Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Great. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain.

Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe or agar wedge. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. I use 120 minutes. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate.

This is the procedure that's demonstrated on my DVD.
RR
And I had used polyfill and boiled for 10mins once the water had begun to boil I started the countdown and then I had fan dried them until they were dry to the touch and went and added to the quart jars and pc'ed them for 1 30mins and they came out really dry like shriveled and no moisture looking still I inoculated and hope for the best but have much doubt maybe I have to boil longer?


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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: Blak]
    #19224915 - 12/03/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pics? without those no one can tell you much. That being said what you have described is pretty rare IMO. I have over PC'd and re PC'd rye jars, and usually what happens is they end up turning to mush. I usually don't see shrivled up grains unless they took a looong time to colonize and then the top kernels might look like this.

Definitely don't worry about boiling longer, IME the grains are fully hydrated after 6 hours or so. I boil mostly to get em hot so the steam can help dry them faster.


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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: Blak]
    #19225055 - 12/04/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That would happen if your pc ran dry half way through the cooking pc cycle.  The berries were plump and hydrated when you put them in the pc right?


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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: invitro]
    #19225065 - 12/04/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Shit if that's the case OP has bigger problems than his spawn being dried out. Sorry OP.


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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19225081 - 12/04/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

pics?

you definetly just want to do a short soak 8-16 hours varying on temp of water you used.  then only bring to boil so its hot enough to steam dry like pasty stated above.

you want your rye grains to roll around after you have loaded your jars after their steam dry cool/cycle.


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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: twistedty]
    #19225369 - 12/04/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Blak said:
I've spent the last week or so making around 24 rye jars and its been an extreme pain and I had fallowed this tek
RogerRabbit said:
My rye tek:
Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, one cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt.

You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much hot tap water as you have rye. Use half coffee and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches.  Add approximately a 1/4 teaspoon of gypsum per cup of rye. Stir these into the water/grain well. For my large kettle with ten cups of rye and two to three gallons of water, or (coffee/water)I add a tablespoon of gypsum and mix in. Cover and leave this to sit for 6-24 hours.

Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Great. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain.

Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe or agar wedge. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. I use 120 minutes. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate.

This is the procedure that's demonstrated on my DVD.
RR
And I had used polyfill and boiled for 10mins once the water had begun to boil I started the countdown and then I had fan dried them until they were dry to the touch and went and added to the quart jars and pc'ed them for 1 30mins and they came out really dry like shriveled and no moisture looking still I inoculated and hope for the best but have much doubt maybe I have to boil longer?




Perhaps you boiled for to long? Any chance your @ a low elevation? I'm @ about 4 or 500ft above sea level a 10 min boil for wheat berries is a bit to much here. 5 min is just fine really all you need to kill off germinated endospores is to bring the grain to a full boil. At this point most grains are fully hydrated so 10 min isn't necessary. 

@ my elevation a 10min boil will cause the vary ends of each berry to crack open making the grain appear dry because the outer husk dries out. Honestly though this might not have anything to do with elevation. It could be that I have a gas stove and the guy that wrote a tutorial had an electric. Who knows really?

Here is what wheat looked like a day or two after pc. This is Pink Oyster


Vary dry in appearance yet not to dry to colonize! These jars did in fact colonize vary well.

And for us greenies here's the last of my Mother Of Berries (MOB) from this year's outdoor season



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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #19225416 - 12/04/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you want the grains dry on the outside, and moist on the inside.  very al dente grains is what youre aiming for


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Re: Rye Jars Really Dry [Re: twistedty]
    #19225490 - 12/04/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They're supposed to look dry and make noise when you shake them.  If you followed the tek, inoculate them.
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