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kampuchea
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Chances of success with very limited resources?
#19225026 - 12/03/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I recently acquired two spore syringes and I am eager to try my hand at cultivation.
Unfortunately, I live in a country where finding the necessary supplies is very difficult. I've all but given up on finding a pressure cooker and I've been on a search for the past three days trying to find mason jars, with no success.
Right now I'm considering spawning inside glass bottles with metal tops, as this is the closest thing to a mason jar I can find. Something like this bottle...

I'll be spawning to bulk, so the shape shouldn't matter since I'll be breaking up the spawn anyway, right?
I'm sure I'll have more questions along the way, but for now do you think following a non-pressure cooker tek with glass bottles like these will work?
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: kampuchea]
#19225040 - 12/04/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does your country forbid ordering things from the internet?
I cant see why that wouldnt work for bulk, but Im no expert on bulk grows. Wait for more seasoned advice.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: 2bittoker]
#19225078 - 12/04/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it would be hard to get the brf cake out.. even if you crumbled it...use pp5 plastic Tupperware instead if you cant find widemouth mason jars.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: 2bittoker]
#19225085 - 12/04/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What non-pc bulk tek are you talking about? As far as I know, the chance of succeeding at a bulk grow without a pc/autoclave is pretty low. Bottles that tall and skinny don't perform well either.
If you can't find a pc, you'll definitely be waay better off doing the PF/BRF tek. If you can't find glass half pints, no problem, use these. They hold up to typical stovetop steam-sterilization (even pressure cooking temps), they're widemouth, plus there isn't the chance they'll break if you drop them.
I would certainly expect that you'd be able to find containers like these at a grocery store, and if not then shipping from online will only be a couple dollars.
Edit: Ziploc makes some that have heavier duty, screw on lids. They're luxurious.
Edited by OnePerEyeM8 (12/04/13 12:21 AM)
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#19225091 - 12/04/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OnePerEyeM8 said: As far as I know, the chance of succeeding at a bulk grow without a pc/autoclave is pretty low.
no you could do pf tek. you can crumble the cakes then spawn to coir in a monotub.. very easy and has a high success rate.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: silverstem]
#19225100 - 12/04/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OnePerEyeM8 said: As far as I know, the chance of succeeding at a bulk grow without a pc/autoclave is pretty low.
no you could do pf tek. you can crumble the cakes then spawn to coir in a monotub.. very easy and has a high success rate.
I don't consider spawning BRF to coir "bulk".
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#19225121 - 12/04/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said:
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OnePerEyeM8 said: As far as I know, the chance of succeeding at a bulk grow without a pc/autoclave is pretty low.
no you could do pf tek. you can crumble the cakes then spawn to coir in a monotub.. very easy and has a high success rate.
I don't consider spawning BRF to coir "bulk".
any instence where spawning to coir is involved is considered bulk... bulk referes to the sub being spawned to...
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: silverstem]
#19225203 - 12/04/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry, I intended to edit/clarify my post but then the site went down.
Coir is a bulk substrate, but I don't think spawning anything to a bulk substrate automatically qualifies what you're doing as a "bulk grow." When people use the term "bulk" in reference to the entire grow, they're talking about using a common bulk spawn (or "spawn substrate") with a common bulk substrate (or "final substrate"). BRF fits neither of these bills. But that's all pretty much a disagreement of semantics, and not really all that relevant to the OP.
I would recommend against spawning BRF to coir because 1) it's generally not worth it, 2)the additional step of spawning to coir creates more of a chance of contamination, and 3)this is going to be multispore, which means there's a decent chance the grow will be kind of shitty either way.
The PF/BRF tek is tried, true, well-documented, and pretty close to idiot-proof. If your goal is to be successful on your first try, then this is the smartest way to go.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#19225209 - 12/04/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OnePerEyeM8 said: Sorry, I intended to edit/clarify my post but then the site went down.
Coir is a bulk substrate, but I don't think spawning anything to a bulk substrate automatically qualifies what you're doing as a "bulk grow." When people use the term "bulk" in reference to the entire grow, they're talking about using a common bulk spawn (or "spawn substrate") with a common bulk substrate (or "final substrate"). BRF fits neither of these bills. But that's all pretty much a disagreement of semantics, and not really all that relevant to the OP.
I would recommend against spawning BRF to coir because 1) it's generally not worth it, 2)the additional step of spawning to coir creates more of a chance of contamination, and 3)this is going to be multispore, which means there's a decent chance the grow will be kind of shitty either way.
The PF/BRF tek is tried, true, well-documented, and pretty close to idiot-proof. If your goal is to be successful on your first try, then this is the smartest way to go. 
seriously?
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: Stromrider]
#19225216 - 12/04/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said:
seriously? 
Srsly. Did you want me to encourage a new member to attempt their first grow with 7" tall, necked, glass bottles, that would have to be broken in order to retrieve the spawn, and then crumble the shit up into coir - rather than advocating that they just do things the normal, safe, effective way?
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#19225219 - 12/04/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OnePerEyeM8 said: I don't think spawning anything to a bulk substrate automatically qualifies what you're doing as a "bulk grow."
But it does....at least on this forum.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: PussyFart]
#19225257 - 12/04/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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OnePerEyeM8 said: I don't think spawning anything to a bulk substrate automatically qualifies what you're doing as a "bulk grow."
But it does....at least on this forum.
^^this is what I was referring to
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: Stromrider]
#19225286 - 12/04/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh. Yeah, looks like I had that wrong. My mistake+apologies
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#19225288 - 12/04/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's all good. I say dumb shit all the time.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: 2bittoker]
#19225402 - 12/04/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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2bittoker said: Does your country forbid ordering things from the internet?
No, but the postal system is very unreliable. I'd have a decent chance of receiving jars, but a nice pressure cooker would likely get snatched.
I will look into a PF/BRF tek, though finding brown rice flour and vermiculite might be challenging. This tek says that a normal drinking glass with tin foil can be used... would the seal be tight enough for it to work?
Actually though, those Gladware containers would be easy to find. I had no idea that was an option, good call!
Are there any other substitutes for vermiculite that would work well inside the pp5 containers? My poor Cambodian language skills make it very hard to find much of anything here.
Edited by kampuchea (12/04/13 06:04 AM)
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: kampuchea]
#19225527 - 12/04/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said (in a VERY OLD POST): Peat will work, but vermiculite is superior. RR
Although I if you can't get Vermiculite, I doubt you'll be able to find sphagnum peat. And if peat works, coir will probably work as well. Coir might be easier to find.
EDIT: Added age indication on quote, and comment about coir.
Edited by Dark76 (12/04/13 07:05 AM)
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: Dark76]
#19225770 - 12/04/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have used hardwood sawdust instead of vermiculite, and tbh well within the range that I would have expected had verm been used.
Check it out: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18840073
kampuchea: I do not know if hardwood sawdust will work in a PF cake, but I can only imagine that IF you get the inital water content correct, you should have no issue colonizing a jar. The 24 hour dunk after the cakes are colonized/consolidated should properly hydrate them to proper capacity.
I have only done cakes a few times and every time I ground them up and spawned them out to a bulk substrate. I was new at the hobby and success was less than spectacular. I would think that it was more of a noob mistake than an attempt at impossible.
PF cakes can be made in drinking glasses as well. It is not optimal, but it certainly works. Find a few short fat glasses, and cover the top with tin foil instead of a lid. http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek
Kampuchea, 1/2 pint ball jars are hard to find at times. There is alot of buzz around the forums about "PP5" containers right now. Ziplock/Glad etc make small plastic jars with screw on lids, and they would probably work as an analog to the 1/2 pint jars.
I am no expert on cakes though.....I hate them. They require more daily maintenance than I care to provide. This is the biggest benefit of "spawning to bulk". A monotub filled with bulk requires nothing at all until you clear the first flush of mushrooms.
This is (in my mind) the trade-off in different teks.....And that one 66qt mono gives me enough fruits for a year of fun times.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19225976 - 12/04/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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your gonna need verm for the dry layer on top... it acts as a filter.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: silverstem]
#19226003 - 12/04/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said: your gonna need verm for the dry layer on top... it acts as a filter.
Micro pore tape would be the perfect replacement, and would negate the need for the dry verm layer.
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Re: Chances of success with very limited resources? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19226985 - 12/04/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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whippy is right on track here, and if you can't find the verm/flour you can just grind any whole grain in a coffee grinder and use a fifty fifty of sawdust and chips to replace the verm, verm will work much better though but in a pinch you will get somewhere
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 gymnopilus luteoviridis in a tequilla bottle on popcorn, just stuffed the top with pollyfill and pc'd but without a pc you can steam them for eight hours
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 an a drinking glass, with these i use a rubberband to hold the foil during sterilization, let us know how shit works out for ya
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